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why do idiots like this even have a voice?
February 12th, 2007 at 4:54 pmI can’t believe that there are so many people in this country that are wanting us to fail. It sickens me. I wish these people would get off of their spoon-fed high horses and see the real world for what it really is. Oh yeah, even if they saw it they wouldn’t believe it. They only believe what will make them more money or get them more power. Bastards
February 12th, 2007 at 5:00 pmwhat the fuck is wrong with these people. how can they try and justify are troops being killed for there freedom. ya we sold the afganis some weapons to defend themselves from the russians. russia sold the vietnamise weapons to kill are troops in the vietnam war. is that idiot trying to say that it we are just invading iraq for no reason just for oil or land. that fucking dipshit.
February 12th, 2007 at 5:47 pmremember - do not slap at the trigger.
February 12th, 2007 at 8:23 pmuse a smooth pull so you do not affect your aim.
always breath deep and slow to remain calm, it improves accuracy
Does this idiot realize that those Iranian weapons are killing our soldiers and that we are the good guys, attempting bring freedom to a country formerly controlled by murdering dictator. And then Wolf wants to compare what we did for the Afghan rebels fighting against a Communist take over of thier country to what the Iranians are attempting to do which is throw that region into chaos so they can sweep in and take over. Ah man what the hell is wrong with these supposedly enlightened intellectuals. Do you have to hate your country and be condescending to work at CNN. I guess that is a rhetorical question.
February 12th, 2007 at 8:24 pmAhh, my favorite crotchety old jackhole strikes again. What a douche. I wonder if he can make it through a whole day without thinking about how much he hates President Bush. I’m pretty sure that he fails that test somewhere between waking up and taking his morning dump. Jack’s a miserable old fart, and Wolf’s IQ seems to drop every time he hits the airwaves. At some point I expect to turn on “The Situation Room” and see Wolf looking like the Unabomber, with a beard full of drool, incoherently rambling through the little stack of notes he has to hang onto because the teleprompter frightens him. Meanwhile, Cafferty will have become sub-verbal and have been reduced to flinging handfuls of his own excrement at the camera in an impassioned display of how it’s all Bush’s fault. Of course, figuratively speaking, we’re already there…
February 12th, 2007 at 11:16 pmI have looked at all of your blogs. The major connecting factor is that your all pissed off at what this guy sed. And rightfully so. He is an idot. I think we all as a country have condoned this kind of acts for way to long. We cut our selfs with our own dubble edged knifes dayly. If we could look back at our wars that our fathers and grand fathers fought in. We would know what to do. This kind of traitor talk would have never been allowed in the 1940’s, and in the 1960’s/1970’s came around the only people that even got close to that kinde of talk was a fashist hippy that was smokeing grass,trippin, or passed out in there own vomit! So ya I guess this guy has the right to use all of the amments in his favor. and I know he will. I just wish that we would get a commander and chief that had big enough stones to slap these kinde of people right in there mouth. and not worry so much about there political popularity. They should know just by past presedents that if you give your heart and soul to the people of the united states they will go with you all the way. Thanks for hearing me out guys. Im out!
Just another SGT
February 13th, 2007 at 8:23 amwhat? your confused?
its war! lives will be lost, blood will be spilled, homes will be destroyed and YES money will be made…read your history, both current and ancient, these are the realities of the situation.
it was right for us to sell to afgans becuase we are Americans, it is wrong for iran to sell to sectarian jihadist becuase WE ARE AMERICANS!
by that rationale: those two pundits are neither right nor American!let them show their colors now for there will bew a day of reconcilition here at home.
i ask everyone i see”why are we in iraq?”the answer is always either oil or hailiburton…the answer is IRAN!
February 13th, 2007 at 8:31 amThe operative phrase in this interview is:
CAFFERTY: “I’m confused…”
Yes you are Jack. Hopelessly. Confused. And. Not. Worth. Educating.
ProudMarineDad
February 13th, 2007 at 8:32 am“I… I’m confused, Wolf”
Yes you are, you doddering old fool.
February 13th, 2007 at 9:04 amclues to Cafferty:
America, good
USSR, evil
Killing good guys with the same tactics used on the bad guys is not morally equivalent.
February 13th, 2007 at 9:33 amDoes it escape Cafferty’s notice that the USSR was also the enemy at the time? I hear this all the time “Oh honestly, do you think YOU will be attacked? They’re not really MY enemy…” This is the exact sort of leftoid shmuck that would march to the boxcars thinking that it’s never going to happen to him. Narcissistic waste of protoplasm.
February 13th, 2007 at 10:03 amYOU HAVE LOST THIS WAR!!!
February 13th, 2007 at 10:05 am[…] for foreign (in this case Iran) entities to help those who are fighting against the US: ”CNN Alliance With Jihadis Finally Exposed: CNN Correspondent Jack Cafferty Argues That Iran Has The …” Check this one out to. Tags: Morning Coffee — CCC @ 11:11 […]
February 13th, 2007 at 10:16 amIt’s obvious that these two believe that helping the Afghans stem the expansion of Communism was a bad thing, but helping “freedom fighters” (liberal-speak for “terrorist”) is a good thing. In the world of Little Wolfie and the Jackass, 1+1=3. Wolf must be so filled with self-loathing that he actually thinks he’s not Jewish and won’t be put to the sword by the Jihadists.
February 13th, 2007 at 11:25 amThese two men are two reasons I don’t support their network. You have to remember that their ultraliberal mindset involves a core belief that socialism and/or communism is a good thing. You have to remember that anything that is contrary to their core beliefs is contrary to what makes this country great(I.E. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.) Why don’t these men give up their large salaries, comfortable homes and luxury cars and move to a socialist/communist country like North Korea or Cuba where simple freedoms are far and few between? Then they can enjoy all of what they truely believe in.
February 13th, 2007 at 12:08 pmCalf-farty can’t understand what the difference is between US weapons killing communists and Iranian weapons killing Americans? Maybe he would understand it if he were an American who loves his country. Maybe not.
February 13th, 2007 at 12:32 pmCafferty! yeah! you are confused… you “BRAIN DEAD” socialist!
CNN!! YOU CAN SUCK MY DICK!!
February 13th, 2007 at 1:41 pmI can not believe they are so many ignorant and blind people in this country. I grew up in a communist country and came here in search of better life, now this is what I keep coming across. People do not realize what great freedom and liberty we have here and unless someone comes here directly to take it away they will not change. Even though I doubt that would make them change either.
February 13th, 2007 at 1:54 pmJS
Has given us the new verison of JfK’s Democratic Party campaign theme song, “High Hopes”.
Victory is just bad politics for the Dems. They, and their Ministry of Propaganda, the MSM, will do anything to stop it. Because if win in Iraq, they lose in ‘08.
You can literally feel the fear vibrating through the shout “You have lost this war!”. The desperation of that cry.
February 13th, 2007 at 3:29 pmMany forget that Saddam Hussein allowed CNN’s reporters to operate in Irag as long as they sided with him (it was a scandal a few yrears ago). They still have a torch for him now, even when he is dead. What’s with these guys? Don’t they realize that it could easily be their heads cut off if we cave into these barbarians? If Abraham Linclon had their moron ass idiotic mentality, the USA would be 2 countries and the blacks would have been slaves for anothet 10, 20 or hundred years.It’s time that these guys get some serious gray made. The freakin retards…..By the way Iran is and has always been the problem……..
February 13th, 2007 at 4:35 pmJack
February 13th, 2007 at 5:26 pmWhen you find some stranger slapping the shit out you,
it might just be me! Or one of any several million vets out there. Douchebag!
That illustrates why I don’t watch their network. I fully agree that the MSM has been undermining the objectives of the President and the protection of the our Nation.
I blame the MSM, the Dems, and the U.N. for the reason that we (I) had to go to Iraq. It is my thought that Saddam did not believe that Bush was going to go into Iraq because he (Saddam) knew that France, Germany, and Russia, and the Dems and the MSM was not going to support Bush and the USA, therefore, Saddam called Bush’s bluff only to find out too late that Bush wasn’t bluffing.
Islamic Terrorist have been at war with the USA since the 1970s and we finally have a President willing to risk his presidency to take them on and defend us with military power instead of sanctions and words. So many people on the Left seem to forget that we have been attacked numerous times before.
I knew in 1992 that we would have to go back to Iraq to finish a job we should have done the first time.
Iraq is a stratigic in the overall war on “terrorism”. And the MSM and Dems are willing to risk lives in order to win back the presidency and the Congress.
It appears to be borderline sedition.
Pat, thanks for what you have established.
February 13th, 2007 at 6:54 pmGod Bless the Marine Corps and Semper Fi
Egad. After the sniper snuff film incident, playing ball with Saddam and trying to cover up his atrocities for him, and numerous other ridiculously transparent attempts to control the political situation here and abroad, how in the WORLD can ANYONE take this damned “news” network seriously?
From the days leading up to OIF through today, it has been obvious to me that each and every one of them cheers for the enemy and takes private pleasure in the death of American servicemen.
February 13th, 2007 at 9:02 pmWolf and the Fool were completely unaware that they both equated our fighting the Communists to Iran killing Americans. No wonder nobody watches that Network.
February 13th, 2007 at 9:38 pmFuck Jack Cafferty , hollywood dick sucking son-of-a-bitch. go to your 5 million$$$ home and watch your 6,000$$ tv as you take your 3,000$ rolex and chock on a dick…semper fi u liberal cunt.
February 13th, 2007 at 10:07 pmThese comments are great, and I especially encourage everyone to read the Gunny’s.
We do, indeed, live in The Age of Treason.
February 14th, 2007 at 1:45 amThis guy is such an asshole. Why would they be arguing against the US, when our own soldiers are getting killed by these bombs. Yes we all know that we sold weapons to the Afgans, but why the fuck does he have to argue in support if Iran. The simple fact that he is American and his dumb ass should support our troops. He is arguing that its okay to kill our men…….well i say FUCK HIM!!!
February 14th, 2007 at 10:45 ami swear, cnn and the rest of the left are just bent on America’s shame and destruction
February 14th, 2007 at 12:49 pmNonsense. Criticism is not treason. Ambivilence is not treason. Even rooting for the other side, which this is not, is not treason. Look it up. Specifically, look up how treason is defined by West’s Encyclopedia Of American Law. More specifically, look up the passage that states “Unexpressed seditious thoughts do not constitute treason, even if those thoughts contemplate a bloody revolution or coup. Nor does the public expression of subversive opinions, including vehement criticism of the government and its policies, constitute treason.”
And you can be certain that expressing befuddlement at the hypocrisy of US policy is not treason. You can be even more certain that treason doesn’t include “Saying things Republicans don’t like.”
I wish I’d seen this clip somewhere else. I feel dirty for having added to you site counter. Buncha babies.
February 14th, 2007 at 12:57 pmAfter reading the above posts I can only say that there are some very naïve and simple people who are quick to vent self righteous outrage when they hear something that does not agree with their narrow view of the world. This only proves that wacko’s infect both sides of the right & left.
February 14th, 2007 at 1:50 pmSeabass:
Nice try. West’s Encyclopedia is not a dicitonary that provides a legally binding definition of, and standard to treason. In fact it includes much debate and speculaton on the provability and even meaning of treason in a variety of case histories. To cite it is to obfuscate the simple definiton of treason: the crime of betraying one’s country. Like a charlatan you try to make Cafferty’s blessing, however veiled, backstepped or parsed, of Iran’s murdering of young americans in Iraq, look like nothing but “criticism” or “ambivilence”. You are employing rhetorical sleight of hand, in an attempt to advance the notion that people with simple clarity are just not “sophistcated”. Chattering round and round without evolving into belief, conviction, moral imperative and therefor action, are the parlor games of cowards, not sophisticates.
February 14th, 2007 at 2:42 pmIsn’t easy how Seabass equates the mainstream media’s anti-everything-on-anything-Bush supports to simple criticism? If that’s all you really think this is, Seabass, that the press is simply saying things that Republicans don’t like, then it’s not worth one moment trying to explain anything to you and people like you. Instead of trying to defend the press, why don’t you just join them in the jihad? Applicants need not convert to Islam, Seabass.
February 14th, 2007 at 2:43 pmexcellent point Pat, “the notion that people with simple clarity are just not “sophistcated”.” After my leftist youth I am glad to have found simple clarity in regards to what is good and right versus evil and wrong.
February 14th, 2007 at 7:09 pmSeabass is weak and without conviction, and would be the first to bend to the will of a violent master.
The defense of a peoples being attacked from an outside force is noble. Be it the Afghans against the Soviets or the new Iraqi nation against the Iranians.
If you can show me a real citation showing that criticism of government policies is treason, do so. Please show that he
A) has given aid and comfort to the enemy (and keep in mind that you aren’t at war with Iran, so they aren’t your enemy) and
B) Intended to do so, and
C) Has weakened the United States’ ability to fight the enemy (which Iran is not) in any way.
Because as far as I can see you’re just jumping up and down and insisting it’s treason. I’ve employed no rhetorical sleight of hand, I just looked up the definition of treason in a legal dictionary and saw that being critical of the US isn’t treason; if that’s sleight of hand, so is one-card Monty.
I wouldn’t mind a citation showing that West’s definition of treason is in error as well.
As for you, JARHEADOX, there’s no need to explain. It’s not that I don’t understand you, it’s that you’re wrong. Speaking one’s mind simply isn’t treason.
I don’t know how to react to the nonsense about converting to Islam and joining the jihad. I’ve such sentiments parodied and mocked, but this is the first time I’ve ever seen it in action. It must be terribly hard for you to deal with the fact that the press isn’t just waving the flag and acting as the White House stenographers like they did in 2003. Well, good. It’s about time the press woke up. If you don’t like it, watch Fox; they have a US flag on the screen pretty much all the time and they have the talking points down pat.
Well, I leave you to your anger, hatred, ignorance, and whining. I’m thankful I don’t come across the likes of you and your user base on a daily basis, Mr. Dollard. Maybe someday your wish will be granted and congress will start to pass laws abridging the freedom of speech. Until then, deal with it.
February 15th, 2007 at 2:20 amSeabass:
A). The President and Congress’s ability to create policy is largely at the mercy of public opinion. I have been to Iraq and Kuwait. CNN is regularly monitered at both the official and household level. By clearly implying Iran’s right to ship arms, cash and manpower to Iraq for the express purpose of killing Americans, ie waging war on your own countrymen, killing our own mothers, sisters, fathers, sons, brothers and daughters ( I’ve witnessed it first hand - it isn’t pretty ) on CNN, which is to say at the heighest international media level, he is providing aid and comfort to the enemy by holding out the hope to them that their media war to shape American public opinion to allow Iran to continue to wage it’s war on America, will indeed prevail. You are far too articluate to pretend that you can not or do not understand the exact machinations, impacts, goals and strategies of a domestic media war tied to politics and policy in time of war.
B). His spoke his intent.
c). By weakening public opinion against the fight, by providing aid and comfort to the enemy, hae has weakened the United States’s ability to fight the enemy. And with all do respect, I can no longer take you seriously, when you posit that despite their shipment of arms, cash and manpower into Iraq to kill our countrymen you state that Iran is not “the enemy…in an way”.
West’s Encyclopedia is not a statutory body.
As for your sleight of hand I was referring to, amongst other things, your attempt to make the reader accept Cafferty’s anti-US argument, defly feigned as befuddlement, as genuine befuddlement. It’s a basic TV talkig head trick. I’ve done television, as have many of my friends. Cafferty was just trying to “game” us all.
Again, who’s the bigger fool? The fool or the one who argues with the fool. Your contention that Iran is “not the enemy in any way” leaves me to move on.
February 15th, 2007 at 2:59 amSeabass comments echo the talking points of most myopic misguided liberals, who simply use the argument that the MSM is putting forth “opinions Republicans don’t like” and then attempt to justify that opinion with nonsensical “proof”.
Not only does Jack Cafferty hate the Bush administration and has hated it from Day One, but he has made NO attempt to hide his feelings. He wears his bias on his sleeve and only a blind fool wouldn’t see it and acknowledge it, Seabass.
His little sleight of hand that Pat aptly exposes is one of the oldest TV talking head tricks out there. It fools only the naive and those that agree with his basic premise that Iran, Chavez, and Kim Jong-il, and Islamic fundamentalism are not the enemy, but that President Bush is.
Scholars on both sides of the political fence have firmly acknowledged that the war in Iraq is a proxy war being fought with Iran. Iran is vying for influence is the entire region, and one way to do so is by fighting proxy wars with the US through Iraq and with Israel through Lebanon.
Those Americans who have no stomach for bloodshed beyond the first twenty minutes of “Saving Private Ryan” are easy prey for a smart enemy hellbent on destroying democracy and building a caliphate across Europe, the middle east, and then then the US. I would suggest you read Londonistan and open your eyes. This enemy could care less how he achieves that goal, nor how LONG it takes. But he does know that his goal will be achieved much faster when he can use the American media to manipulate American sentiment.
Our enemy, unlike Seabass’ favored liberal media elites, understands the basic principals of “The Art of War” as put forth by Sun Tzu:
Don’t bother to physically defeat the enemy- rather defeat the enemy’s will.
This is what these terrorists are doing and they are using a very willing liberal Anti- Bush, Anti-War, Anti Victory, Pro-Insurgent Pro Jihadist media to do so. Since the media elites seem to be enamored with mass murdering terrorists and dictators, they are only too willing to report the beheadings, the casualities, the mass murders of civilians and children, and equate our enemies as being morally equivalent to our Military, and they revel in framing each story to make the US come across as the Evil Satan.
Our media is giving these terrorists exactly what they want: A platform to help break the will of the American people.(i.e SHAPE public perception). By better understanding Sun Tzu’s The Art of War, and by duping an all too willing MSM into aiding and abetting them, these terrorists succeed at their objective: To win this battle by breaking the will of Iraqi’s, the Europeans and the Americans.
Sun Tzu, The Art of War:
“So in war the way is to avoid what is strong and strike at what is weak”
Let me explain this in simple terms for our media intelligentsia and Seabass to comprehend:
Avoid what is strong ( Our Military) and strike at what is weak ( Liberal Americans “will” or lack there off)
“Disciplined and calm, to await the appearance of disorder and hubbub amongst the enemy:–This is the Art of Retaining Self Possession.”
The appearance of disorder and hubbub(chaos) is what our media is constantly focusing their attention on while failing to recognise or choosing to ignore that over 80% of the country is stable, and the many achievements of our military combined with help from the Iraqi army. This constant focus on the appearance of disorder is exactly what the terrorists want our media to do, in order to help them break down the will of Americans.
“A clever general, therefore, avoids an army when it’s spirit is keen, but attacks it when it is sluggish:–This is the Art of Studying Moods.”
So our enemies understand that as long as the troops spirit is keen, as long as their collective will is strong, the terrorists LOSE. In order to help breakdown the will of our troops, they focus on using the media to destroy the will of the American public. When our will is sluggish, then the type of assinine debate put forth by DEMS and Liberals in Washington occurs - talk of troop withdrawals, talk of casualties(the lowest casualities of ANY ground war todate) attacks upon the President and his decision to go to war, Zogby polls that are DELIBERATELY misleading, combined with polls conducted by liberal based institutes that are touted in the media and are either faulty or misleading; all this serves to create divisiveness which is THE ONLY way these terrorists can defeat us, and deny democracy in Iraq and by fiat in the Middle East. DIVIDE AND CONQUER. It is the ONLY way they can win. It is the ONLY way they can spread their fundamentalist agenda.
And is men like Jack Cafferty, Wolf Bitzer, and others who are considered our media elites, who are aiding them in doing so: by shaping public opinion against this administration and this war on terror, which in turn scares the shit out of Dems who so desperately want to win the 2008 election that they feed into and spread this divisiness and fear thereby aiding our enemy to defeat us, all in the hopes that the Dems can in turn defeat Republicans at the polls. That is there end game. To win an election at any cost including aiding our enemies. And once achieved, they can then hand over the country to our enemies. Let’s examine who exactly attended the “anti war” rally in DC…all but two organizations were communist based organizations that have either funded dictators or lent their support to dictatorships in other ways.
“All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when we are far away, we must make him believe we are near. Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him.”
The insurgents have managed to deceive the media and liberal elites; they have managed to feign widespread disorder,(yes B’Dad and Ramadi are in chaos and disorder, but that does not reflect the entire picture in Iraq any more than gang ridden South Central LA reflects California) and in doing so, have made it easier for them to crush us; not militarily,that’s impossible, but simply by breaking down the will of the people.
By playing on the fears and doubts already instilled in the hearts and minds of Democrats and liberal Americans- thanks to the relentless one sided coverage of the situation in the Iraq by the MSM and by this ignorance put forward by Jack Cafferty in supporting Iranians killing Americans - these terrorists are cleverly and very effectively- preparing the battlefield to crush us.
And in you Jack, Wolf and you Seabass, they have the perfect fools who they can bend to suit their agenda, and then CRUSH like a disposable beer can when they are done with all three of you.
Thankfully there are those of us who -while we may not care if they crush youand your ilk -will not sit back idly and let them crush the rest of us.
February 15th, 2007 at 5:44 am“Scholars on both sides of the political fence have firmly acknowledged that the war in Iraq is a proxy war being fought with Iran. Iran is vying for influence is the entire region, and one way to do so is by fighting proxy wars with the US through Iraq and with Israel through Lebanon.”
Proof please? The al-Maliki government is predominantly Shia in composition. While Iran has no love for us, it also has no incentive to weaken and topple a sympathetic Iraqi government, or ratchet up the violence in Iraq to destabilize a region it wishes to control. I think you are guilty of jumping to conclusions on faulty premises, as President Bush did when he launched this war.
You quote Sun Tzu, but you fail to mention many of his primary tenets: war should always be the last resort, a campaign should be concluded as quickly as possible to avoid draining the treasury, fighting in cities should be avoided, and the general shall implement the ruler’s directive. Perhaps you could address these points in your analysis of the Iraq war.
“And is men like Jack Cafferty, Wolf Bitzer, and others who are considered our media elites, who are aiding them in doing so: by shaping public opinion against this administration and this war on terror”
The war in Iraq is not a war on terror. No links were established between pre-war Iraq and al Qaeda. It is morally bankrupt of you to use this phrase to shout down the opposition to the Bush administration’s policies while we have set aside our war on terror. What war on terror is the Bush administration fighting now? The abandoned one in Afghanistan? The new one he is pushing in Iran? Is Iran is sponsoring al Qaeda now too? The primary goal of our war on terror is destroy al Qaeda and capture Bin Laden. What progress have we made?
“and in doing so, have made it easier for them to crush us; not militarily,that’s impossible, but simply by breaking down the will of the people.”
This is a tactic used by all resistances. It will only fail if we are insensitive to the cost of the war - financially and in lives lost. Which we are not, it is our friends and relatives dying in this misguided war.
Ultimately we will withdraw from Iraq. The Iraqi people do not desire our presence and the American people do not support the occupation. The only question is how many more American lives will we sacrifice before we pull out.
February 15th, 2007 at 1:21 pmThank you DangerGirl….You are exactly correct.The middle easterners are master manuipulator’s of the liberal media. They create MTV like video’s of car bombings, which the liberal media presents as the failures of the USA.
February 15th, 2007 at 1:21 pmWhen someone sets off a car bomb, which kills innocent children, women and men, it’s is not time to run, it is time to run after and capture or kill the people who set it off. If someone rape’s a women, we track them down and get them off the street’s. We must do the same to terrorist, insurgents and their ilk.
And Seabass you leftist chump, aidding and abeting the enemy is treason……
Moron…………War’s are not fought by Lawyers, but breave men and women who sacrifice themsleves and their families life style to contribute to the great goo.
It’s called FREEDOM…………
folks,throughout history,wars have been mainly fought to enrich the ruling class of whatever country we are talking about. wwII was a classic example of imperialistic powers(from germany to japan to u.k. to u.s.)to expand the market and make the rich financiers of war and they who own the means of production of war products even richer still. people around the world have been suckered(myself during the vietnam war) into believing they were fighting a just cause when,in fact,they were fighting for the same old shit!fuck war!
February 15th, 2007 at 4:15 pmVery nice DangerGirl, if you start a religion I’m joining.
February 15th, 2007 at 5:42 pmLets get it straight. Assholes that blow up women and children are not insurgents or resistance fighters or rebels, etc. They are fucking terrorists!!! We are fighting a war on terrorists, and that includes Iraq.
And Redruin, I’ll answer your question( The primary goal of our war on terror is destroy al Qaeda and capture Bin Laden. What progress have we made?)with a question:
When was the last time we were attacked by terrorists on U.S. soil?
February 15th, 2007 at 7:21 pmSure, Fuck war. But what you’re talking about is simply capitalistic minded people taking advantage of a necessity. Yes, war is a necessity. Well…at least it is in our world. You may have you world powers get together and play monopoly to settle border disputes, but we as Americans…well…we kick ass and take names.
February 15th, 2007 at 7:33 pmSeabass - First off, good post. Definitions provide a good basis for your argument. However, I can use the same definitions to argue the opposite:
A) “Has given aid and comfort to the enemy” - Voting to withdraw troops is the same as voting to do the political will of our enemies, who want us to leave. We’re talking about much more than Iran here. Enemy is plural unless we group all muslim extremists (terrorists and insurgents and/or nation-states that support them) into one category. Sure, we’re not technically at war with Iran, similar to how we were technically never at war with the Soviets.
B) “Intended to do so” - These people (anti-war Dems) do stand to gain politically, individually, if the U.S. loses “Bush’s war.” A loss for the U.S. is a loss for Bush and a gain for the Democrats. The Dems will lose in 2008 if they allow the U.S. to win in Iraq. So do they intend to help the enemy, or at least intend to make us lose? They stand to profit from it. They’re politicians.
Think about it: Which month during the Iraq War had the most U.S. casualties? Do you think it’s just a coincidence that it was the month right before the U.S. elections? Remember what happened in Spain right before their parlimentary elections. The terrorists won.
C) “Has weakened the United States’ ability to fight the enemy in any way” - Preventing reinforcements from reaching the battle definitely won’t strengthen our ability to fight the enemy.
February 15th, 2007 at 8:08 pmDave, the last time a terrorist hit was in a Salt Lake mall. Several rampage type attacks since 9/11 in this country have been by muslims. The MSM refrains from reporting it.
February 16th, 2007 at 6:15 amBy the way, we are not having a war on terrorism, it is a war against muslim/islamic fanatic/radicals. They use terror to bend the will of the weak. We are not at war with a tactic.
Gentlemen,
They fucked me and young americans in Vietnam , and they’ll fuck ya’ll too ! Liberal, pussey americans make me fucking sick to my stomache ! I knew when they started this that they would yank the the rug before it was finished. They have no honor. I am proud of ALL who serve and condem to hell those who don’t support our troops.
February 16th, 2007 at 7:17 amJust like so many lefties like to point out, “no links were established between pre-war Iraq and al Qaeda.” So, this is just supposed to translate into “the war in Iraq is not a war on terror” is it? Let’s revisit why we returned to Iraq in 2003 (consider it a refresher, as liberals tend to forget this): Saddam Hussein was in violation of a final UN resolution, which he agreed to, that offered a last chance to comply with disarmament obligations, which had already been set forth in several previous resolutions by the UN and violated by Saddam. Saddam was given several chances to come into compliance by proving that he was not developing or did not possess WMD, but he never complied. The resolutions were primarily centered around WMD. Major intel agencies throughout the world believed that Saddam was developing and stockpiling WMD, and no one had any reason to suspect otherwise. Even the Clinton Administration, during the Clinton years, acknowledged this as not only a major threat to the region, but to the world. When 9/11 came along (you remember 9/11, right?), Saddam was already known to pay families of suicide bombers $25K. It doesn’t take a genius to deduce that he would provide WMD to terrorist organizations. Much like Pearl Harbor thrust us into WWII, 9/11 catapult us into the realm of pre-emptive strike, aka the Bush Doctrine, which accompanied the announcement of the War on Terrorism (I liken FDR’s “Dec 7, 1941, a day that will live in infamy” speech to President Bush’s speech announcing the War on Terrorism). So, we went on the offensive, and since Saddam was obsessed with destroying my country, and since all intel pointed to him having WMD, and for a gamut of other reasons, we looked directly at Iraq as a major threat and took the necessary steps to neutralize it.
In the aftermath, much of the pre-war intel (1990-2003) was subsequently proven wrong (although some pretty nasty stuff was still found that you never saw in the MSM). But hindsight is 20/20, and the lefties love to use the clarity of it to say that President Bush knew there were no WMDs – he deceived everyone and misled us into this unjust war for whatever outlandish reason (fulfill daddy’s legacy, oil, lunacy). This war has drawn terrorists from all over the world to Iraq to fight our military. That’s a key point right there, and a healthy byproduct in my opinion. You’ve got to be a numbskull to think that the Bush Administration and the Pentagon didn’t see this coming. They savored the idea – gather as many terrorists in Iraq and use our badass military to kill them all. This is probably why we didn’t secure the Syrian and Iranian borders – let them come so we can kill them. And kill we did, thousands of terrorists, and I hope we also got the bastards that painted the murals in Nasiriya glorifying the planes flying into the WTC. It is naïve and stupid to state that the war in Iraq is not the War on Terrorism. Redruin, you’re wrong to simply say that “the primary goal of our war on terror is destroy al Qaeda and capture Bin Laden.” Convenient pretty little border you’ve drawn there. The purpose of the War on Terrorism is to kill terrorists around the globe and to wipe Islamofascism off the face of this planet. I’m sick of hearing that we’ve abandoned the “real” war on terror in Afghanistan to conduct this unjust war in Iraq.
On withdrawing, like the lefties are so after: It seems that the terrorists have slowed the hell down in coming to Iraq to meet their demise, but Sunni Baathists and many remaining sympathizers still hold out. Yes, there’s still horrible violence and an awful mess to clean up. And yes, more of our brave young men and women will die in Iraq. But if we do not stay until our job is done, then our blood was shed to no good end. If we leave now, chaos will ensue, which is what our patient enemy wants, and then those killed in battle are not sacrificed in honor – they lay dead having died in vain, for no greater cause. Just dead. How could a widow, or a mother, father, son, daughter, brother, sister, etc., possibly live with that? I know that as a former Marine that I would do my best to come back from the grave and make someone pay dearly. Semper Fi.
February 16th, 2007 at 3:05 pm“Never argue with an idiot (Liberal). They’ll drag you down to their level and beat you to death with experience.”
We have been at war of a sort, with Iran since the Embassy/Hostage incident. When Iran invaded our Embassy and took Americans as hostage, they commited an act of war.
The problem is that despite the conservatives vastly superior perception of the realities of the world the liberals are far better organized in areas that make a difference in campaigns.
They pretty much own the media and acadamia to the point where it is an uphill battle for conservatives to just get a point across.
In point of fact Iran has been at war with almost everyone, not just the U.S., since the Shah was deposed.
Another point of fact is that Iran is STILL at war with Iraq, now more than ever, because they hate the U.S. more than they hated Saddam.
Iran never stopped being Iraqs enemy, they just stopped trying to invade because Saddam kept slaughtering by the thousands every time they tried, and that is something they will never forgive. It’s much cheaper to fight their war this way.
Iran IS the enemy and always has been. Global terrorism would not have gotten even half as organized and well entrenched as it is now had it not been for the direct encouragement and involvement that Iran has given it for the last 30 years. Iran WILL have to be dealt with, there’s no escaping that.
Yet the liberal media and elites have expended every effort to convice the world to “move along people, nothing to see here”, by again painting America as the Evil Villian in the war on terror.
They do this by cherry picking what they think we should know (what’s important to THEM) while ignoring or even burying nasty little things that might divert attention from their cause.
One of the most common, and favored, tactic to sway opinion to their cause is to report casualties.
That’s fine, I have no problem with that. It’s just that, they don’t use it as a tool to build their story with, as they should, they use it as a crutch, to prop up their agenda.
If Liberals and the media are so concerned about American fatalities, then why aren’t they doing or saying something about the number of deaths caused by illegal immigrants in the U.S.?
Illegal immigrants commited approximately 26,280 murders since 9/11/01 for an average of 12 a day.
But wait, those are just murders. let’s see what the drunk illegal aliens are doing.
At 13 deaths a day caused by drunk illegal alien drivers we get approximately 28,470 Dead American Citizens since 9/11/01.
Where’s the outrage from these cherry picking liberals and media?
How do the numbers above compare to loss of American lives in Iraq, a WAR ZONE?
I’m no “moral compass” like Hillary, or even a News reporter with “journalistic integrity” like Cafferty and such, but I do know math, and if reporting deaths is what pays the bills then I would think that the higher the death toll the bigger the story.
At any rate I am absolutely positive about 4 things in life.
February 16th, 2007 at 5:43 pmDeath and taxes, and that when democrats are in the Whitehouse, homelessness and unemployment don’t exist because I never hear about them.
Hey Seabass,
Don’t look now but your vission of congress passing laws “abridging the freedom of speech” is coming to fuition, except it happening by the will of Liberals like yourself and they are trying to use the “Fariness Doctrine” to get it done!
So tell me, how does the sole of your birkenstock taste?
February 16th, 2007 at 8:09 pmDid Saddam Hussein have WMD? No. Had he armed terrorist groups with WMD? No. Is there any evidence of his intention to arm terrorist groups with WMD? No. So why are people including our invasion and occupation of Iraq as part of our “war on terror?” Let me ask you, what is our mission in Iraq? What constitutes victory? Remember when Bush declared victory? Victory in Iraq did not include rooting out al Qaeda or terrorism. And neither does it today. Most of our troops in Iraq are policing neighboorhoods and suppressing sectarian violence. People talk about a stable, Democratic Iraq, without the sectarian violence, as a desirable condition for victory. We aren’t there to fight terrorists. You’d only need special forces teams to deal with that threat. What we are doing, is occupying Iraq. If you want to close your eyes and continue calling it a “war on terror” you have every right to.
“Redruin, you’re wrong to simply say that ‘the primary goal of our war on terror is destroy al Qaeda and capture Bin Laden.’”
I am completely right. The mission is to protect the United States by destroying all terrorist organizations with hostile intentions against our people, our property, and our prosperity. Al Qaeda and Bin Laden represent the single greatest threat to our safety, therefore they must be ‘neutralized.’ What we are doing now in Iraq is not neutralizing al Qaeda. It is quite clearly an occupation. For the thousands of lives sacrificed, the billions of dollars spent, I and many other Americans expect better results in the war on terror. We voted so in the polls. Righties are naturally slow to pick up on things.
February 16th, 2007 at 8:42 pmFirst I’d like to appologize for any past, present or future typo’s.
February 16th, 2007 at 9:43 pmHaving said that, it’s time for a reality check, Libie’s.
In September of 2006, (right before the elections) the US gov’t had a website which showed Saddam Husseins nuclear weapons program. The way it was reported by the MSM, made it seem as though it was The USA’s program,when in fact it was Saddams!! Another little tid bit which many people in the US have not been told, was that Ramsey Yousoff who bombed the World Trade Center in 1993, which killed 6 American’s and wounded 1000 said that Al Qaeda would finish the job, (which they did on Sept 11, 2001) also told one of the US attorney generals(this came out during the 911 commision hearings) that he received training by the IRAQI SECRET INTELLIGENCE AGENCY, which we KNOW was run by Saddam’s son’s. During the 1990’s when Clinton was in office, the Iragi military shot SAM missles at our pilots on a daily basis. So based on these contentions does anyone in their right mind think that we should sit back and take crap from any of these types of people without any type of response? Do you finally say that anyone or any country or any group that attackes the USA gets the shit kicked out of them? I say yes . We need to let nasty people pay the price for this crap and we don’t need some hypocritical, schizofrenic pathetic group of leftist chumps siding with our enemies now or ever. It’s time for the left to stop the political games with American live’s and get with the program, because if the y don’t, there will be no USA left to complain or bitch about!!!!!!!!
WOW!
February 16th, 2007 at 10:49 pmI thought I was alone. dangergirl run for office. I’ve seen my thoughts written down or typed i mean but thanks. Its good to know y’all out there!
We heard you on the radio tonight in Los Angeles and you did a great job explaining groud-truth in Iraq. As an x-Hollywood Studio gumby myself, I can appreciate your desire to find more meaning and purpose than mindless celluloid drivel… Push forward with your efforts and we will watch your back. There are many of us with movie making skills that will be inspired by your documentary and God Bless our brave men and women in uniform - and you too…
February 17th, 2007 at 12:02 amWe keep pumpin’ money(financed by the largest country of savers) into this “winnable” war and you aren’t going to have to worry about the “war on terror”. You’ll be more concerned with how to ask your boss for a raise in Mandarin.
February 17th, 2007 at 1:53 amRemember:!!!! …. the only thing one should feel when a round exits is …… RECOIL !!!!!!, Y’All have a nice y, Ya hear…
February 17th, 2007 at 8:58 amI remember it like it was yesterday. The UN inspection team trying to inspect one of Saddam’s palaces, only to be turned away. After they left and raised hell days later they where allowed to return to the sight and inspect only to be stopped at the next one. We invaded Iraq because Saddam wouldn’t allow inspections. He obviously had something to hide. He would allow the “surprise” inspections after he had time to move whatever he had that was incriminating. Some of which was exposed in the documents that the the liberal media freaked out about when it hit the internet. They said “oh my god you have poison gas recipes and nuclear secrets on the web written in Arabic” “see bush is so stupid” Now wait liberals, there cant be anything important on the web sight because we got all of those documents from IRAQ. You cant have it both ways. They will say anything and do anything to win the presidency in 2008. Lie steal cheat, and put our troops in danger. Everything is fair game in the quest for the white house.
February 17th, 2007 at 9:04 pmWhen a Liberal has made up their mind no amount of fact can change it.
Let’s see.
Precision tubing and machined parts bought from Phrance and Russia. The tolerances on the aluminum tubing alone suggests that it could only be used for one purpose, but in addition to that the machined parts could only be used for one purpose also.
Iraq was only about 2 or 3 years away from having an actual nuclear bomb.
Iraq had the best schools and some of the best scientists in the entire middle east region.
But liberals want to ignore that reality, or explain it away, or simply lie about it.
Toxic chemicals and poisionous gas on Iraqi citizens in the north and on Iranian troops during their war.
Not just once but many times.
Poisonous gasses and chemicals bought from Phrance and Russia.
But liberals want to ignore or forget those realities also.
They’ll try to lie or explain it all away, not even realizing the double standards and hipocracy that they are espousing.
Yellowcake, 122mm rockets with binary agents, 122mm artillery shells with chemical and biological agents.
Mobile chemical laboritories designed for nothing other than manufacturing chemical and biological weapons while on the move.
These things are facts. They were facts before the war and we are STILL finding WMDs.
Here’s another FACT the liberals seem to cpmpletely ignore. UN resolution 1442.
If there is a UN resolution condemning America and demanding us to abide by some rediculous law, liberals are up in arms, with a microscope up Uncle Sams ass to make SURE that we comply to the letter.
Can you say, “hipocrite”? Can you say, “double standard”?
TotalElf-Fina, a company owned by the government of Phrance, had a sweet deal with Saddam.
While the Un brokered Oil For Fraud program was in place, Elf-Fina had a deal with Saddam to buy oil (illegally by the way) and sell it for a 90 percent profit.
90 percent is unheard of in the oil buisness. 5-10 percent is common.
Russia sold between 4 and 7 billion dollars of weapons to Iraq during the 12 years between wars.
The UN sponsored Oil For Fraud program netted European diplomants and the Phrench government 8 billion dollars while the average Iraqi who WAS supposed to benifit from this program, lived in poverty.
These are examples of HUGE news stories that just got shoved aside or explained away so as not to upset the agenda apple cart.
Those are facts that the media can’t deny, so what they’ll do is, they’ll ignore them, hoping that people will forget them. In the meanwhile their spin-doctors will come up with theory after theory to explain them away the next time these topics are brought up in serious debate.
It’s a Win-Win situation for them. All they have to do is wait a little while.
But I say don’t give them a chance. This is a standard liberal tactic that they’ve used for decades and it’s very effective.
But every tactic has a weakness, the weakness here is the we DEMAND they respond to issues such as these.
That we don’t let them forget that we remeber them.
That we also don’t allow them to sidetrack us with some new, Shint Coin Of The Day, fluff topic until they have resolved the ones at hand.
“Never argue with an idiot. They’ll drag you down to their level and beat you to death with experience”.
We don’t have to argue with them. We need to take the offensive away from them and go on one ourselves.
February 18th, 2007 at 7:53 amThe People’s Democratic Party of Afghanistan was, despite it’s ties to Soviet Russia, very close to our western principles. It focused on modernising the educational system and introduced more rights for women. Was it a good government? Of course not, with its secret police torturing people. Seeking help from a foreign, occupying force, when it couldn’t cope with the resistance within the country also doesn’t give them points.
However, the Mujahideen supported by the US (among others) were conservative, extremist jihadists that, once the last communist president was toppled in 1992, fought each other in a civil war that took 3 years and was won by the in Pakistan-supported Taliban.
So please tell me, where does Iran’s intervention differ significantly from the US intervention in Afghanistan. Iran supports crazy extremists that fight against a modern, but defunct government, that suffers from minor flaws like, you know, torturing people and relying on a foreign occupation force for survival. Once the US Forces retreat from this war that’s not winable, Iraq will certainly suffer a dire civil war, even if the Kurds stay quiet, which they won’t when they see their relative autonomy in danger.
It looks like people like Jeff Cafferty can’t even suggest thinking about such a comparison without the typical knee-jerk reactions by people who immediately claim that he supports the killing of US soldiers, which would be indeed incredibly stupid of him. In fact so stupid that I doubt it.
I don’t know if anyone here cares for these arguments. I would love to discuss them, but please refrain from the knee-jerking and address the points made.
February 18th, 2007 at 12:58 pmIt’s good to find this site and read from people who understand freedom. Here in the US, we are so innundated with the hatred of Bush and the disgusting “lose the war, win the whitehouse” propaganda that sometimes it feels like a lost cause.
A sincere thank you to all of you who risk your lives everyday in support of these foolish talking heads freedom to speak.
God bless the USA and the Armed Forces of this great country.
February 18th, 2007 at 5:04 pmCafferty is so consumed with defeating the administration, he will do or say absolutely anything. You just know the media will never get the blame if we do fail in Iraq. Who do you think they’ll blame instead? Why, George Bush of course! I never watch CNN, I boycott their sponsors, and I hope Cafferty ends up on the corner with a cardboard sign asking for money. The guy is nothing more than a traitor to this country, pure and simple.
February 19th, 2007 at 8:08 amSorry to be so late to the party, but I think it’s worth pointing out that Cafferty’s theme was in effect lifted from Michael Ware’s “news” report on the same day. As is so typical of Ware’s reportage, his report included a line supporting the pseudo-equivalency of Iran meddling in Iraq with the US meddling in Afghanistan.
Though Cafferty all by himself has made CNN unwatchable during the hours when he appears, Ware’s influence is more insidious. Ware appears well-informed and well-connected, and at least gives the impression that he or perhaps his sources venture well outside the Green Zone. His editorializing and his rather relentless negativism tend to be more subtle, often a matter of tone and emphasis rather than direct statement.
Arwa Damon seems much more responsible and circumspect, which may be why she hasn’t gotten the audience reaction and star treatment that Ware has been getting. I don’t think he’s as far gone as Peter Arnett was, but give him time…
February 20th, 2007 at 9:44 amColin:
When your posts are as astute as that, don’t be sorry about shit.
February 20th, 2007 at 10:14 amAw, pshaw, but thanks for the kind words. I just regret the missed opportunity to draw more attention to Michael Ware’s game. A year or two ago, Hugh Hewitt had him on the radio, and got him to admit that some of his war reporting was done after he’d knocked back one or a few drinks. Hewitt had a little more difficulty getting him to confess to editorializing in the guise of reporting, something painfully obvious to anyone who doesn’t share Ware’s presumptions, and something I find much harder to forgive than a little bit of “liquid courage.”
February 20th, 2007 at 12:31 pmWhy can’t voices like in these posts be heard more often? seriously. I never hear opinions like in these posts on TV. All I hear are on TV are spoiled millionaire dumbasses like Cafferty, Dobbs, Lauer, Williams, and others. That’s why I watch FOX news. I wanna see Pat Dollard on TV A LOT more often. Pat Dollard is the man.
February 20th, 2007 at 3:12 pmIran does have the right to supply arms to the insurgents. That being said, we have the right to see that as aiding our enemeies. As such, we have every right to consider iran our enemy and fight them ,just as the soviet union could have fought us.
The difference the soviet union was too weak militarily or morally, we (well some of us anyways) are too weak in the groin area to stuff a missile into the ayatollahs bedroom.
sadly, in all this, the average iranian hates its own government and we would be all the wiser to arm iranian reformists to overthrow their dictators rather than start a war. Read the various iranian websites hear in the US to understand the sentiment towards ahmedijad et al. it is similar to the sentiment of cubans toward castro.
February 20th, 2007 at 6:16 pmI wish somebody would put that old asshole Cafferty out of his misery, but it would be such a waste of a perfectly good bullet. I believe it is time to lock some of these people like Cafferty,Wolf, Punk Sulzberger et al up in a max confinement for the duration. Perhaps we can use Gitmo now that the Special Court of Appeals has ruled the GD Sand Monkey terrorist can not sue us using ACLU Attorneys any Longer!!! Hooray! The MSM will be whineing over this decision for weeks. That is as soon as they get over their Anna Nicole orgasm. God Bless The USa and all these fine Soldiers Sailors,Marines and Airmen. Bomb IRAN!!
February 20th, 2007 at 7:23 pmWow, Dangergirl….I’m aroused. I too would join your religion.
What kills me (and I am but one man) about this whole situation, is the left’s insistence that this war was initiated under false pretenses. At the end of the day what’s right is right and what’s wrong is wrong, and what was done and is being done has bettered humanity, regardless of what some goofy movie star says.
We as a culture are severely lacking in the “resolve” department. It sickens me to see how support for the war has fallen over the past few years. If you are going to support something, support it. If not, I would rather you shut your mouth and drink your chai latte. The people who have sacrificed their time, youth and lives deserve at least that. How selfish of you to become tired of it and decide to waffle your support. This has become nothing to the left but an open door to gain back control of the hill.
I have but one wish……that I might be able to see some of the amazing things our troops are doing on the “news”, instead of hearing a 15 second blurb about another one dying. It would be nice to hear the heroic stories somewhere else than having to read Leatherneck Magazine.(Although I do love doing it).
Semper Fi fellas….keep your heads down.
February 20th, 2007 at 8:18 pm“The enemy of my enemy is my friend” is a well known axium, but “The Friend of my Enemy IS my Enemy” is more pertinent to this conversation.
Anyone who has our guys blood on there hands deserves to go down, HARD.
Seeing how many “Friends Our Enemies” have among us calls for an uproar when they carry our enemies water for them. CNN first among them. Let’s not forget it’s not really CNN, it’s TED TURNER who’s to blame.
I was stunned to hear a few weeks ago that the rules of engagement included treating Iranians like they had diplomatic immunity, what the hell was that? We should have been wasting those fuckers from jump street.
February 20th, 2007 at 8:52 pmWhat are they gonna do , try to kill us?
Well I am not confused. My husband was there and was shot in the leg with a RPG that penetrated the armor of his vehicle. More than likely the weapon used was supplied by Iran. He lost his leg. He and his men were in combat for hours and my husband is alive because of his brave men. If Iran has the right to sell these weapons we have the right to fight them as our enemy. I am tired of hearing all this liberal crap. If I hear one more person say that lives are being wasted and my husband lost his leg for nothing I am going to lose it.
God bless all the men and women out there fighting. I am forever thankful for all of you. I pray you will be able to complete your mission and come home safe to those who love and support you.
Thank you Pat for your support and this place.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:37 pmSo Cafferty exposed America’s hypocrisy, big deal. Get over it. Why do right-wingers always get in such a snit when they get caught with their hand in the cookie jar? This is a non-story.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:42 pmI’m just a little interrogator with three deployments under my belt, 2 as an Infantry Marine and one as an Army Interrogator. I’ve only apprehended and/or sat across from three kinds of people in the booth:
February 21st, 2007 at 8:03 am1) The guy who had an enemy (they all have enemies) that turned him in to US/Coalition forces so we could remove his problem.
2) The guy who digs a hole and plants a device because scary, hooded cowards come in the night and kidnap/threaten/kill his loved ones and say, “I’ll be back if you don’t do this.”
3) The guy who lives in Pakistan (when it’s convenient), speaks perfect English, has a cache of weapons in his home that he, “can’t explain”, is an Immam or is studying in a Madrasa and knows, deep down inside, that a divided house cannot stand. This is the guy who laughed at my face and said, “Your own politicians don’t want you to succeed.”
He’s right. Thanks Wolf, Cafferty and CNN for your omnipotent clarity. You’ve got it all figured out and you’re on the winning team. Your prize? Death. Because what #3 told me was that as soon as the obstacles to the jihad are gone, it will be easy to kill the rest of Allah’s oppressors. You might as well put on turbans and start shooting real men in the back, the effect is the same.
Semper Fi
Yet another example proving that the MSM is populated by America-hating liberals, bent on our destruction.
February 21st, 2007 at 6:58 pmI think you have to sit and realize for a moment “who” it is that’s reporting and often times controlling the news. First of all, you got to put yourself in the corporate shoes of money making. Anything that is gonna push the envelope is gonna attract viewers. Now when you get those viewers; Kraft and everything with a Good Housekeeping seal jumps to buy commercial air time.. Air time prices hike.. You make money. Who gives a shit right? There’s just not enough reporters with balls enough to go out into the dust and walk through the open sewer cities on patrols with the troops to get the true effect of what the military is going through and the difference they are making. So, you don’t get many stories of triumph.. Unless, we nab a High Profile (headlining) terrorist. But what you do get is the toll of the efforts. Flag draped coffins of the true brave and heroic. But corporate sees that as depressing and it won’t be around the hounding (salivating) press room for long.
February 22nd, 2007 at 5:45 pmSecond you have to realize who these reporters are and even the bosses that pull their strings. For the most part, they were gliding through college hyped on massive amounts of drugs; living free and merry. They found a sense of belonging jumping into the lines with other like minded folk and protested the Vietnam War.. Who knows maybe a few spit on some uniforms. Reliving the old days but only as a rich benefactor of post-war can. Tie dies replaced with Armani..VW Wagons replaced by Mercedes. The beast isn’t the insurgency..no no no. It’s the Americans here who wish to reap money off the sacrifice, blood, sweat and tears of the warriors. Hunter Thompson said it best when he said we are in the belly of the beast and lord knows that’s where we are now. — To Vanity Fair and other slander mags: Please insert more of those cologne sample pages in your magazines.. Might as well help the fighters smell better seeing as their sweat is making you the bucks anyways.. Rock on!!
- Jonny
Oh by the way friends left and right. I cannot accept the idea that Pat Dollard is comsidered an “EX-agent” of the Hollywood scene. I say different. Pat is in fact still an agent but his client is the American military person and he only books auditions and shows for the truth. It’s hard no doubt; but is it that hard to tell the truth?? I mean you could try to be Britney Spears agent now and see how hard that is.. You’re a great guy to patrol with Pat. Thanks for telling the story and toughing it out with us and the troops.
February 22nd, 2007 at 6:01 pmI had to watch it twice to get catch the subtle suggestion. it seems that he was attempting to ask why US provided arms and funding ironicly to osama and afganistain to fight the soviets. While Iranian is now doing the same thing.
it quite ovious we were funding proxy armies to fight the soviets in the coldwar. They were doing the very same thing to us. (red terror groups)
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isnt it plain to see that Iran has stepped into the vacuman left by the removel of Saddam in which the US has failed to fill. (I lay this at the utter incompetence by the Bush administration). As one can point out the blindly ovious that the major poltical party in the “democratic Iraq” is the “Councile of Islamic reveolution in Iraq” ?
We are in fact already engaged with Iran inside Iraq.
February 27th, 2007 at 4:08 amiranian Shaped expolosives are the very least of our problems the other as stated above needs to be addressed.
what the guy is saying is nowhere near a validation of what iran is being accused of, lets not forget his point that the US did train and supply the taleban when they fought the russians and it was seen as acceptable, now that the tables are turned its utter hypocrisy to become indignant about it
before u call me a freedom hating athiest degenerate, i served a tour in Iraq with the british army; and i believe we were wrong to invade, from first hand experience
Thank you
Murvis
February 27th, 2007 at 7:26 amI’d love to cut his tongue off and put it in a box labeled “WMD”. Because these bastards are a bigger threat to our troops safety with their lies and left-leaning propaganda than the insurgents are.
I just don’t watch the news anymore because NOTHING they say about the War in Iraq can be trusted.
February 28th, 2007 at 7:13 pmI get the feeling that there is a HUGE discontent in the US about the war in Iraq and Bush.Speaking from afar(Tasmania in Australia) I find that the Liberal( they are the Right Wing here-we have the Left wing Labor party)people in the US are on a bent to get the presidency in 2008. Go for it. If they win they lose as the pacebearers and the donaters will have their throats cut by the jihadis who are undermining the entire system from within.Dangergirl. I agree with all your sentiments. Ifeel that the US federal system, while great and showing much diversity in political clout has a fundamental weakness in that you are able be weakend from within by groups that are able to subvert the democratic process and elect traitors to the great american republic because you have a fundamental weakness. This is the process of voluntary voting.
March 1st, 2007 at 4:36 amHere in the constutional monachy of Australia when voting is on its compulsary, OK you can not turn up and pay a fine($A10.00) but thats only about 10,000 for the whole population of 20 million.This way we get a govment that probably reflects what most want, even though we get some dickheads elected.We do this every 3 years.
I guess that thats not going to happen in the US as there are pressures to disenfranchise certain groups but in the long run it mayby better for the US to think about it. I used to be against the compulsary process, as an ex New Zealander where voting was voluntary, and lookie lopkie at that place now.We in Australia, love the US. We send out troops(not many but all we can spare)(we are only 20,000,000 ) to wherever the US is. We are in Afganistan and Iraq,In the Pacific Islands and East
Timor. We are doing our bit on the WOT. I dont like to see the negative comments asout the US troops in Irag or Afganistan from posts here, I support all the troops there whether Australian or US, and to this I have adopted a US soldier in Iraq. The left leaning(you call them liberals) that post here are seemingly unaware of what the total question on the WOT is all about.Its not about hating Bush,its not about withdrawing to save young Americans lives(you lost 10,000 in imo jima in 5 days( we’ll never forget you for this)), tis about the will to stave off the modern jihad of Islam attempting to subvert the entire democratic process from without and from within. They seem to have a great fifth column both here in Australia and in the US. Keep ready guys the time may be coming sooner than you thing. Root out the islamics in your society, they only want to destroy it, they have no desire to be part of the society they live in, they wish to subvert it to their warped notions, kill all the unbelievers, and take their women as slaves to rape at their leisure.Turn this around and send them to their sharia paradise, where they will be sent to the big light and their 72 whatevers depending on their proclavities
end rant/
send my best wishes to all the troops,may they return in one piece, with a reality check on the ones who are undermining them daily/
Semper Fi to The Marines and to all the Army and Airforce guys in combat
sooo when did he condone killing of US soldiers? I must have missed that part. Maybe it was before or after when he was calling the US government out on its hypocrisy
March 1st, 2007 at 12:11 pmHello? Anyone remember the old (and truthful) saw that “…an enemy of our ememy is, by definition, our friend”? That was the situation with the Afghanis back then vs. the Soviets. Period. As to the Iraquis, if they are the friend of our enemy…? It’s that simple. Wake up. Or else just shut up and watch the movie, everything will be all right. Really.
March 3rd, 2007 at 8:08 pmThe point he makes sounds valid on it’s face, but when analyzed, like a lot of liberal drivel, it falls apart. It’s symbolic of the notion that the MSM sees itself as a stateless entity. They want to be seen as a equal moderator, not taking sides. To prove that they happily show jihadi propaganda about Juba, showing American guys getting killed, and make these sorts of comments. Their job is to report the news without bias, but they break the wall when they make these sorts of comments. Who gives a damn what Jack Cafferty thinks, and why does he think his insights about the situation will inform anyone about anything? He thinks he’s being wise and irascible, making simplistic comparisons and analogies and getting a bunch of shut-ins to email him with slobbering applause. He and the rest of the MSM should go back to simply reporting the news.
March 3rd, 2007 at 10:37 pmDanger Girl: excellent analysis. However, the most insightful comment on this thread was written by Lt. Cheese. I’m an old man now but I remember Vietnam very well and some days I’m damned near floored by the resemblances I see between now and 1972. It’s the same stupid, cowardly left-wing fools spouting the same kind of treason.
Well, I saw the results of the last war. My ship picked up 550 boat people from Vietnam, people whose ABSOLUTELY BEST HOPE, once they got in those pathetic excuses for boats, was to spend five or six years in a stinking refugee camp. The worse alternatives were drowning or being raped and tortured by Thai pirates before being thrown overboard to drown. How bad would things have to be before any of you would put your wife and kids in that position. Pretty damned bad, eh? No one will ever know the true numbers but the conservative estimate is that there were more than a million boat people from Vietnam. THAT is what cowardice in the face of the enemy brought.
A lot of bad things happen in war; there are worse things than war though, and most of them happen right after you lose one. If what it takes to win this one is American Civil War II, right against left, no holds barred, let the toughest side win–bring it on, lefties!
March 5th, 2007 at 2:14 amWhere is my post. I thought you had a 183 IQ?
March 5th, 2007 at 12:46 pmmurvis you dumbass. no body is whining about Iran, we are merely stating , as i am sure the soviets did, that there are other countries(iran) aiding our enemies. The difference between Us and iran is that we let it be known that we were aiding the mujahedeen, iran claims to be innocent of all charges.
Remmeber , you cowrds out their who are against this and that war are tjhje ones who desire evidence for doing such things. we are just gathering evidence.
Any country has a right to support whatever country they want to. But when your own media is lending credence to any enemy against your own forces we want to call that traitor to task. Like Iran , CNN denies all. Cowards!
Are you a pacifist now?, that you have experienced the ravages of war. Count yourself lucky! you got to leave iraq, but iraqis have had to deal with terror for the last 30 years. If you want freedom , you have to fight for it!
March 6th, 2007 at 10:10 pmA little correction Murvis;
We never supported the Taliban. We funneled arms and mony through the Pakistani military intellignece service (ISI) and they did as they pleased with much of it, but by the time the Taliban was taking over (the early-mid 90’s) we were long gone. We left with the Soviets.
The Taliban were funded primarily by Arab nations, most notably Saudi Arabia.
March 7th, 2007 at 4:52 amI wish the liberals would grow brains, so they can get whats going in IRAQ. They are giving power and comfort to the insurgents, by opposing the war. We look like a bunch of pussy’s to the rest of the world. We’re so politically correct we arrest our Boarder Patrol Agents for shooting a drug smuggler in the ass. They’er put in prison for 10yrs. so this drug smuggler can turn around and be caught a week later for the same thing. I’m sure we supplied him with leagal representation, so whats up with his lawyer? Why isn’t this immigrant suing the Officers and the USA? OUR COUNTRY IS TURNING TO SHIT and we can all thank the liberals for that. If they spent all the time supporting our troops and this war like the way they demonstrate, we would’nt be
March 7th, 2007 at 1:12 pmthis predicament.If the liberals keep this up I feel they should’nt be suprised when another 911 happens or suicide bombers start showing up on our soil,because our boarder is so secure.
I am neither a republican nor am I a democrat(I am not a great typist either, so please forgive me) I stopped watching the news a few years ago when it turned into a pulpit for idiots who feel they somehow have the right to editorialize the information that should be given to the American people as impartial, unbiased news. And though there is a much larger liberal slant to most news and talk shows, you can also find a right-wing view point on any news/talk show that isn’t. Nowhere can you get the straightforward facts about what is going on in Iraq except from the men and women who are over there fighting this fucking war. I have been disgusted by the liberal “intelligencia” in this country who come down from the mountain where they have been having a meeting with the burning bush, then they attempt to “clue-in ” the rest of us, we stupid cattle as to what’s “going on” in Iraq. Though it completely contradicts the accounts of the people who are actually over there experiencing the events first hand. How can you people have the audacity to claim that the stories of our brave troops who are giving their lives to protect your freedom are somehow false, while you have some special omnipotent knowledge of events happening thousands of miles away??
Crustyrusty- nice name by the way, it fits you. Have you been smoking crack? What are you talking about? and I quote:—- “wwII was a classic example of imperialistic powers(from germany to japan to u.k. to u.s.)to expand the market and make the rich financiers of war and they who own the means of production of war products even richer still. people around the world have been suckered(myself during the vietnam war) into believing they were fighting a just cause when,in fact,they were fighting for the same old shit!fuck war!”—-end quote… Now there is some question as to the motives and means by which we were involved in and the way we fought the Vietnam War. But are you actually questioning our involvement in WorldWar11? Public Opinion at the time was against getting into the war in Europe, even though a vicious dictator was killing thousands(and later millions of jews & others) of people and threatening to end democracy worldwide!! Then we were attacked on American Soil in Pearl Harbor, remember? We were not attacked by Germany or Hitler in any way, shape or form. We were attacked by Japan. Killing thousands of Americans. But Hitler, though not directly responsible for the attack was allied with Japan and had made public speeches threatening America and condeming democracy and our way of life. So we declared war on him.
Flash forward- Iraq takes over Kuwait. Saddam Hussein is a vicious dictator, hell bent on destroying democracy. And very similar to Hitler taking over Poland, He violently and boldly took over Kuwait, with plans to continue on. George Bush senior(with support from the U.N. and most of Europe) went in and stopped him from advancing any further
but stupidly left the lunatic in power. Then on Sept.11 2001 we were once again attacked on American soil, and once again thousands of Americans were killed. Then suddenly the notion that we were too strong, or too powerful a nation for anything like pearl harbor to happen again, literally came crashing down in the smoke and flames of the world trade center. And with the echoes of the screams of the men and women who died that day still ringing in our ears, Saddam Hussein, who had in the past been affiliated with Al Quida, gave an interview with Tom Brokkaw or one of those big news reporters. I will never forget that interview. In it he threatened America, not just if we were on his soil but on our own as well. And he condemned Democracy and our way of life. He publicly declared himself our enemy. When he was questioned about the world trade center attacks, he showed no remorse, there was almost a smile in his eyes as he spoke of it. And though he did not claim responsibility for the attacks you could tell he wanted to….He wished he had done it, and though NONE OF US KNOWS!!!!!Whether or not he was involved in helping those that did do it, I really don’t see how it makes any difference one way or another. The man was hell bent on our destruction, and Sept. 11 had made it possible to attack America. Even if the two leaders, Ben Ladin and Hussein, were not affiliated physically, or militarily(which I beleive they were)they were affiliated in their ideals and their hatred of America. And Saddam was just stupid enough to go on a national news broadcast and declare that fact to the whole world.
Can you see the similarities? This war could not have even been fought were it not for congress and the senate approving it. Isn’t that right? I’m not sure of that fact, but I think that is true, and they received the same intelligence that the president did, and all together decided that he was a threat to us and should no longer remain in power.
I understand your frustration with what happened in Vietnam. The lack of support from the country, and inadequit military power to fight the war you were fighting. plus we pulled out and left the area in caios before the job was done. Then the communists took over. Plus there was no real media coverage of what was happening there. We are only now finding out the horrible things that occured during that war. So why is everyone on the liberal side so hell bent on making the same mistakes that we have made in the past? Because we didn’t find any nuclear weapons there? Sept.11 was pulled off with a few flying lessons, some box cutters, and some battery packs that looked like bombs. Saddam did not need a nuclear weapon to attack this country. Do you have any idea what kind of destruction can be caused by mustard gas, suicide bombers, small missles and all kinds of other weapons that he did have.
I am ashamed of the people in this country who let other nations effect their support of this war. Whether you like it or not your party supported us getting involved in this war, and we are in it. To not stand by your country and the men and women giving their lives in a place that we asked them to go, is treason. It makes you all judas. And those same countries will be the first ones to ask for our help when they get into trouble. I hope we tell France to go fuck herself, should she do so……….
March 7th, 2007 at 4:18 pmNone of you guys will ever admit when the USA is wrong. Stop with America is always right. For every point you all made about UN resolutions I can show the same violations from Israel and the US. Both countries are hell bent on killing A-Rabs. (Emphasis mine)
March 13th, 2007 at 5:37 amHow many arabs have you ever known. Besides the 7/11 guys in Michigan. I had Saudi friends at University who were cocky but hey who isn’t. They were studying engineering. These guys were hardly the Taliban and Al Qeuda. But they were certainly pro West and capitalists.
Franchasa Hitler was a very misunderstood leader. Poland violated a 1934 Treaty between them and Poland. The treaty said that no 3rd party contacts on issues between the two countries. Hitler wanted Danzig back and a Corridor to Danzig. He found out that Poland went to France and England behind his back. Thus violated the agreement. He held out until he said thats it. You will NEVER find this information in the US press because its all about the Holocaust now. The US destroyed Germany because of the economic threat of a Pan German Europe. By the way the following countries were allied with Germany on Sept 1 , 1939. Italy, Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, Portugal and to some extent Spain. Non Agression USSR also. Hitler was a political geniuos
March 13th, 2007 at 5:43 amIts all the liberals fault? Try your NEOCON shills Pearle, Dumsfeld, Feith, etc
March 13th, 2007 at 5:44 amPaul Hermann,
March 13th, 2007 at 6:51 amread what I wrote in response!!!
This guy is a turd, these hardcore liberals want us to fail in Iraq so bad they can taste it. Even coining the phrase “Iraq is another Vietnam” just because they want that to be reality. Well its not and I have plenty of friends coming back from there telling me that we are winning this war. I’ll keep getting my information from them and Pat, people of this country need to turn CNN off and get back on the winning team which is America
March 13th, 2007 at 7:00 amFraser where is the response? Did it not post. Talk to me
March 15th, 2007 at 4:30 amPaul hermann, are you ranting again about how many arab friends you have while praising adolph hitler. Hitler was a socialist like your self (national socialists) no wonder you loved him , and the fact that he killed a lot of jews goes along with your hatred of Israel, yet we are the racists for fighting these brainless idiots who pretend to be religious?
April 3rd, 2007 at 10:26 pm