A Democrat President Will Lead To A New 9-11
MANCHESTER, N.H. - - Rudy Giuliani said if a Democrat is elected president in 2008, America will be at risk for another terrorist attack on the scale of Sept. 11, 2001.
But if a Republican is elected, he said, especially if it is him, terrorist attacks can be anticipated and stopped.
“If any Republican is elected president - - and I think obviously I would be the best at this - - we will remain on offense and will anticipate what (the terrorists) will do and try to stop them before they do it,” Giuliani said.
The former New York City mayor, currently leading in all national polls for the Republican nomination for president, said Tuesday night that America would ultimately defeat terrorism no matter which party gains the White House.
“But the question is how long will it take and how many casualties will we have?” Giuliani said. “If we are on defense (with a Democratic president,) we will have more losses and it will go on longer.”
“I listen a little to the Democrats and if one of them gets elected, we are going on defense,” Giuliani continued. “We will wave the white flag on Iraq. We will cut back on the Patriot Act, electronic surveillance, interrogation and we will be back to our pre-Sept. 11 attitude of defense.”
He added: “The Democrats do not understand the full nature and scope of the terrorist war against us.”
After his speech to the Rockingham County Lincoln Day Dinner, I asked him about his statements and Giuliani said flatly: “America will safer with a Republican president.”
Giuliani, whose past positions on abortion, gun control and gay rights have made him anathema to some in his party, believes his tough stance on national defense and his post-Sept. 11 reputation as a fighter of terrorism will be his trump card with doubting Republicans.
“This war ends when they stop coming here to kill us!” Giuliani said. “Never ever again will this country ever be on defense waiting for (terrorists) to attack us if I have anything to say about it. And make no mistake, the Democrats want to put us back on defense!”
Giuliani said terrorists “hate us and not because of anything bad we have done; it has nothing to do with Israel and Palestine. They hate us for the freedoms we have and the freedoms we want to share with the world.”
Giuliani continued: “The freedoms we have are in conflict with the perverted, maniacal interpretation of their religion.” He said Americans would fight for “freedom for women, the freedom of elections, freedom of religion, and the freedom of our economy.”
Addressing the terrorists directly, Giuliani said: “We are not giving that up and you are not going to take it from us!”
The crowd thundered its approval.
Giuliani also said that America had been naïve about terrorism in the past and had missed obvious signals.
“They were at war with us before we realized it, going back to 90s with all the Americans killed by the PLO and Hezbollah and Hamas,” he said. “They came here and killed us in 1993 (with the first attack on New York’s World Trade Center killing six people) and we didn’t get it. We didn’t get it that this was a war. Then Sept. 11, 2001 happened and we got it.”
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Lived in Jersey, Worked in NY and was a fan of Mayor Rudy then. Never liked some of his left leaning crap, but he is unique for a politician.
He says it straight up and without the dance. Many moderates; and all libs hate him for it!
April 24th, 2007 at 5:46 pmTell me something I don’t know. Now I’m kinda reluctant on Giuliani; he will be tough on security, but I’m skeptical about his social politics. Nonetheless, he’s better than any Dem out there.
April 24th, 2007 at 5:47 pmi do not believe in abortion and strongly support the 2nd amendment. as for gays,well, it’s just not natural. i am willing to put all that on the back burner and support rudy because of his strong view on national security. afterall, what does the other stuff matter if your dead?
April 24th, 2007 at 5:48 pminteresting quote of the day, agree with most of it save for the war being lost canard:
“Against [the] historical backdrop, two facts stand out about our collection of enemies in Iraq, with a particular focus on the ex-Ba’athists and the terrorists who produced the bulk of the violence over the conflict’s first three years. First, they are a small group relative to the population within which they are found. And second, even by the standards of our nation’s past enemies, they are a despicable lot… National pride should not of course keep us in a war we have indeed lost. But we should give the surge a chance, and consider a number of ‘Plan Bs’ if it fails, before giving up this important fight to this heinous foe in this crucial part of the world” — Michael O’Hanlon, senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, writing in the Washington Times.
April 24th, 2007 at 5:57 pmNational Security is nothing but a huge cunnard. If the VA Tech tragedy taught us anything it is how easy a single determined person can cause mayhem in a free society and since not one of America’s five million Muslims have created any such crimes despite the fact of how easy it would be to blow oneself up at a St. Patrick’s Day parade or its like shows us how rediculous this so called “War on Terror” is. I’m not saying there are those that don’t want to kill Americans. They exist. But to think that Rudy or any other Republican will keep us safer than any Democrat is folly. I’m for fighting a smarter war. That would be a nice change,
Kipp
April 24th, 2007 at 5:59 pmTo prove my point see the article below:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0425/p01s04-wome.html
April 24th, 2007 at 6:09 pmA Cunnard is a Cruise Ship company.
A canard is a falsity.
A person who claims national security is either a cruise ship line or a falsity is dubious in their motives.
April 24th, 2007 at 6:09 pmkipp, you are correct, american muslims have, by and large, spared us terroristic barbity (we’ll overlook the whole first wtc bombing thing for argument’s sake, the guy running down students at unc, padillo, the bosian muslim who shot up a salt lake city mall five or so months ago, the multiple post-9/11 al-qaeda cell convictions in federal courts, etc, etc), but the same can’t be said for their brothers beyond out borders.
April 24th, 2007 at 6:30 pmi’m not particularly worried about the average americanized muslim but when al-queda boasts it soon will administer a “hiroshima” on the uk, operating out of an increasingly nucler-obsessed middle east (thanks for that one, russia!), and pakistan’s nuclear program being one well-executed assassination attempt away from falling into the lap america-loathing extremists, to say national security is a “cunnard” (sic) makes about as much sense as blowing your savings backing a kucinich-sharpton presidential ticket. yeah, the war hasn’t gone swimmingly, we know, we know, but pick one that has, including ww 2. to equate iraq with vietnam, as the media is so want to do, only further displays ignorance.
I got bad news for anyone.
The only thing that will stop the terror is putting down the oil in favor of another power source.
Sounds silly, right? Wrong. Why do we even care about the Arabs? Because they have a lot of sand? Because they sit between Asia and Europe and we like the military advantage? No. I think it’s all about the Benjamins on this issue.
If we weren’t addicted to oil to power our lives, then we’d be butting out of the Arab agenda. Do you really think Terrorists want to destroy America because we’re spreading capitalism? It’s because we keep sticking our noses in their business for the sake of the oil. As long as the oil flows to America - she’s happy. If the oil supply is threatened, well…we’ll fix that.
Sorry to be sarcastic and a downer, but I have little hope left for mankind anymore. We’re just living on borrowed time.
April 24th, 2007 at 6:30 pmNah, Rose, Kipp just wants to get touchy-feely with the terrorist-types, give then another chance to hoist American heads on their already blood-saturated standard of hate, abuse, and intolerance. Perhaps if he sat back and thought about exactly WHY American Muslims haven’t launched jihad against the country that succors them (freedom is a wonderful thing, isn’t it!), he may think twice about abandoning our mission in the middle east. Once people taste freedom they want it all of the time…the dems seem to have forgotten that. I just find it amazing that the same group of people who call for socialist domestic policies which actually diminish the overt freedoms set forth in the Consitution ON A LINGERING BASIS scream and cry when others are restricted IN A TIME OF WAR.
April 24th, 2007 at 6:34 pm“and since not one of America’s five million Muslims have created any such crimes despite the fact of how easy it would be to blow oneself up at a St. Patrick’s Day parade or its like shows us how rediculous this so called “War on Terror” is.”
really? The government and media have tried to keep such stories out of the news to protect americans from rioting. The media does so to downplay the hype about islam, the government does so for personal safety, but stories have come out. Did you forget about the muslim in L:A airport ate El AL? Did you forget about the massacre at the jewish center in seattle on the same day as mel gibsons arrest and tirade? did you forget that the VA tech gunmen had ismail ax tattoed on his arm which suggests ,if you understand, that ismail is arabic transliteration and that the ax is the story from the koran(not the bible). the fact that he railed against the excess in a christian society(muslim rants) etc. Start analyzing the news kipp and you might see clues to the fact that muslims in our country are killing citizens needlessly, and also take into account how many muslim plots have been stopped since 9/11. remember the yemeni 7 in buffalo? many of them were american citizens.
I think you are very selective in your reasoning.
April 24th, 2007 at 6:38 pmSorry, Kipp, the article was well written and on the surface SEEMS reasonable, but anyone who has seen or heard was is taught in the mosques and madrassas, anyone who pays attention to exactly what Shari’a demands of those under its authority, knows that fundamentally Shari’a and Western Democracy are incompatible. Not only that, anyone who thinks that middle eastern extremists will be willing to accept Israel, or at the very least separate their hatred of Israel from their relations with the U.S. in the future has been suckered. THE GOAL OF ISLAM IS NOTHING SHORT OF WORLD DOMINATION. This is written in the Qur’an as a directive of the prophet himself. I KNOW you’ve read this. Why you can’t open your eyes to exactly what this means to the VAST number of muslim extremists not only in the middle east, but in ever growing populations throughout Europe and even here in the States is beyond me.
April 24th, 2007 at 6:50 pmHi Kipp
Good to here ya Kipppy. I’ll help you out a bit by clarifying the lib-speak via translation to your true meaning..
Kipp: “National Security is nothing but a huge cunnard.”
Translation: I give up - we can’t have security - its too secret, and too many guns, and too much money, and Bush might find out what I really do in the wee hours, and, and, and…
Kipp: “If the VA Tech tragedy taught us anything it is how easy a single determined person can cause mayhem in a free society….”
Translation: No one is safe because us libs protect the offenders. First we medicate them to supress their anger and then we leave them to them selves to fester. Oh, don’t forget, we charge the defenders of voiating the offenders rights, so the kind-spirited, well-intentioned psycopath killers can do as they please.
Kipp:”…and since not one of America’s five million Muslims have created any such crimes despite the fact of how easy it would be to blow oneself up at a St. Patrick’s Day parade or its like shows us how rediculous this so called “War on Terror” is.”
Translation: Us libs use selective memory and the MSM to filter out the racisim that occurs when a muslim executes such act like the salt lake shooting; and the raghead guy that drove his SUV into the campus crowd etc. If we make every one believe it never happened, then there is no reason for war and no one will die because everyone will get along..
Kipp: “I’m not saying there are those that don’t want to kill Americans. They exist.”
Translation: And us libs will do all we can to embrace those who wish to kill Americans and even sit and talk with them. We’ll outsmart them with psycobabble and feed then some drugs to supress their anger. This way when the anger surfaces they’ll go out in famous ways like Cho. Then we’ll blame the gun.
Kipp:“But to think that Rudy or any other Republican will keep us safer than any Democrat is folly.”
Translation: Us libs just want everyone to get along and all we need is quiet time for that to happen. If we stop this aggressive behavior against the freedom fighters who kill thousands of innocents – including the children – they will stop too. Its our aggressive behavior that causes it all
Kipp: “I’m for fighting a smarter war. That would be a nice change,”
Translation: We can bring all the freedom fighters here and teach them our way. We will educate them secular Then they will love us and will never need to kill an American again.
Its sad you are so far left.
April 24th, 2007 at 7:03 pmAnd Don’t say I never helped you!
John in PA,
Well said.
April 24th, 2007 at 7:08 pmanother guy who always tells it like it is is Dr. Alan Keyes. The media ignored him because he is a better speaker than any democrat ever was, he is catholic, black , in an inner racial marriage, is extremely well educated with a wealth of political experience. Oh and he doesnt whine about racism as part of his platform.
April 24th, 2007 at 7:12 pmIf we weren’t addicted to oil to power our lives, then we’d be butting out of the Arab agenda. Do you really think Terrorists want to destroy America because we’re spreading capitalism? It’s because we keep sticking our noses in their business for the sake of the oil—-The BakeNutz ….wrong choice,joyce….read the koran you will know why we will be fighting the arab’s,till we send them,to spend some time with the nazi’s in the nether regions
April 24th, 2007 at 7:15 pmRudy is soft on the Second Amendment, which doesn’t sit well with me. Obviously, he’s better than Hillary but, I’m liking Fred Thompson more and more.
April 24th, 2007 at 7:33 pmKipp, I can smell your stinky balls from here in St. Louis.
I could vote Thompson/Guiliani.
You are an idiot for wanting to fight the enemy on Leftist-Pussy terms. Let’s not listen to their phone calls, let’s not interrogate them, let’s give them fucking lawyers and try them in American criminal courts, let’s not let the FBI and the CIA talk to each other any more, let’s not give the terrorists a toilet to piss and shit in (Iraq), let’s tuck our balls behind our ass and pretend the bad men will just go away.
FUCK THAT SHIT.
You’re lucky I’m not moderating the comments, because I would have punted your ass to kingdom come long ago. Of course, it is fun to show you how flawed your ideas are, but it’s kind of like skeet-shooting with beach balls–fun, but not particularly challenging.
I love your intellectual weakness: “Read this, it proves my point.” Why don’t you come up with a point, articulate it yourself, and then give us a link to support your facts?
Get your dick out of the Jif, before you contaminate ALL of our peanut butter.
April 24th, 2007 at 7:33 pmRadgy, I’ve heard that the reason Osama issued his fatwa against Americans way back when, was not because he was mad and we’re taking their oil. I’ve heard that it’s not about that our troops “invaded” the holy land of Saudi Arabia in the first place. Osama saw the encroachment of western values changing the face of muslim culture in the region. This comes directly from an Air force Colonel who teaches at the current college I attend, and has worked in Military Intelligence/Strategy for over 25 years. My point: extremists don’t give two shits about us taking their oil(which we pay for). If who have a better source to prove me wrong, feel free to let me know.
April 24th, 2007 at 7:40 pmKipp-
You sound like you are afraid of a free society and the risks that occur, I think you would prefer a police state, where we would all be safe. As long as you were politically correct.
John in PA >
April 24th, 2007 at 7:43 pmI too am not comfortable with Rudy’s stance on gun control but I wonder, if Rudy had been Congressman or a Senator instead of the Mayor of New York, perhaps his view would have been different. I can’t imagine being the Mayor of NYC and being at odds with the NYPD and by Rudy being totally against gun control, he would have definitely been at odds with the NYPD (haven’t seen a police department in a major city yet that didn’t sponsor gun control). With what Rudy says here about terrorism, I’m willing to let him explain more in the campaign what his NATIONAL stance would be on the 2nd Amendment.
April 24th, 2007 at 8:09 pmROSIE IS A DEAD DYKE WALKING:
http://www.tmz.com/2007/04/24/rosie-bids-adieu-to-the-view/
I guess saying that Bush was behind 9/11 was fine, but grabbing your crotch and saying “eat me” isn’t.
Fuck this world, I’m out.
April 24th, 2007 at 8:12 pmHey, now a Burka may not be that bad in some cases…
http://www.strangecelebrities.com/images/content/105516.jpg
Just wondering how long in the sand before you could knock it off to this?
April 24th, 2007 at 8:18 pmI will try and make this quick. Terrorists do not exist because of the global oil consumption. There are several key members of OPEC that do not support terrorism. Afghanistan has never been a player in the natural resource market, yet they spawned the Taliban and subsequently Al Qaeda. The terrorists exist because of failed societies and failed nation states. They failed because of religious isolation and intolerance. They are spawned by the fact that they spend an entire life suffering because of their own culture, yet they cannot come to grips with the fact that their great religion has failed them. Instead they turn to their mortal enemies, the Christians and the Jews, which just so happens to be the “west”. As the global market increased, and the outside world encroached on their secular world, they lashed out at the great Satan – America.
There may be inherent issues with third world countries in the grand scheme of a global economy, but that is no cause to match it with global terrorism. These people, whose lives are so miserable that they are willing to blow themselves up, because even the idea of a heaven is better than any reality they could ever imagine, would still consider us their enemy if we stopped using oil tomorrow. You could claim that oil may have been at the forefront of Americas economic expansion, but I can guarantee it that it was never the tipping point that changed the world.
A failed culture coupled with failed nation states, which cannot support their people, are the perfect breeding grounds for crime and terror. They produce a culture that can only function on intolerance, fear, and violence. Let’s not forget, these same people have been eating each other alive for centuries. Now it’s out turn.
Be thankful for our military and be sure to support anyone who is tough on defense and National Security. I will take homosexual marriage over another September 11th any day.
For Kipp: feel free to spend some time in Europe in France, Denmark, or Scandinavia. Look what their liberal policies and “free” society has brought them. A world that is plagued by a massing Muslim population. A world that has to suppress its own culture and freedoms due to Muslim riots and crime. Read the news.
And as for American Muslims. They have too much to loose. For now.
April 24th, 2007 at 8:26 pmI see quite a few well written comments here and its good to know that there are some like minded individuals out there. Especially John in PA. Outstanding.
-Me
Oh! and Kipp? Your a little lost but it looks like some folk have taken the time to square you away.
April 24th, 2007 at 8:33 pmRudy gets it about the Global War on Terror. This is something that he would have a lot of sway over as President, and Commander in Chief. As to gun contrcl, congress will not at this time pass any legislation like New York City.
For our Minuteman friends, the movement to control our borders really needs to come out of the house from those supposed to be close to the citizens. That would give it far wider support than any prez.
Between Pelosi and Reid, I don’t think that we have to worry about the Dems remaining in power much longer.
The post in Pat’s posts from the two grunts started a firestorm. A number of soldier complaints in written form are surfacing as a result of Pat’s efforts. (I had long wondered when this would happen.) The public will quite taking the shit from the Soros-MoveOn crowd for now, I hope that it lasts long enough until voting time.
The puke from the troops is all over the libs face right now. I think that there is much more to come.
Now I do like Newt and think that his thinking will have an effect on the Republican Candidate no matter who it will be.
April 24th, 2007 at 9:11 pmSeeing as I am sometimes the only female contributor to this blog, I hope my comments will carry some weight (bout 124 lbs)
. I feel dreadful sorrow that many in this country have stooped to lies and to name calling against those who disagree and toward our President. This has to be an internal illness and we need a strong leader to cure this. I feel, at this point in the campaign, that Rudy is our man. Guts, REAL PATRIOTISM, focus, experience, and success. I don’t agree on his stance for abortion and I am a little nervous bout his marital record, but I will also put this on the back burner as another blogger said if we can WIN!
April 24th, 2007 at 9:30 pmI just finished his book on leadership and it basically explains how he turned around New York City. I still like McCain but one of them’s definetely got my vote.
April 24th, 2007 at 9:38 pmMO: Issues of morality matter more than a tough national security plan. God is able to protect us; but if we continue to murder children by the millions and teach those that aren’t that we are nothing more than the most advanced thing (at the moment) that climbed out of the slime pool and aren’t accountable for our actions, our nation is going to continue in our downward moral spiral and He will continue to judge us.
(I’m not saying gun control is a moral issue, its more of a common sense thing to me, if the professor that tried to resist, or a few students were armed and proficient with handguns, many fewer would have been killed at VA Tech. Ultimately, the shooter is responsible for his actions, he had the ultimate disregard for human life and what is right and wrong; but a general lack of recognition of each man as created in the image of God and worthy of respect in society that led him to be tormented by others is also to blame.) (I had some trouble posting a while ago, so this may seem like a belated response.)
That said, the amount of affect a president’s morals have on the nation is arguably small, and once primary’s are over it’s certainly best to vote for the best of what’s left and pray for him and the country.
April 24th, 2007 at 9:44 pmAlright, I know this is a little off topic:
New Hampshire’s first Islamic Mosque is under construction in Manchester.
The state’s growing Muslim community, now estimated at over 3,000, has long desired its own place of worship.
And this past May, builders finally broke ground in a quiet out-of-the-way neighborhood in the state’s largest city.
However, some local residents don’t want the construction to continue.
NHPR Correspondent Debra Daigle has the story from Manchester.
On Friday afternoons, Muslims from across New Hampshire crowd into this rented basement on Valley Street. Offices here are home to the Islamic Society of Greater Manchester. But over the past few years, the facility also served as a place of worship for the state’s growing Muslim population. However, these cramped Friday afternoon services may soon become a thing of the past. Construction has begun on Karatzas Avenue in Manchester – the site of NH’s first Islamic mosque. “Churches are designed to build morality…that’s the purpose of religion, to speak the truth, relay the truth. So that’s what we are trying to do.”
Dr. Mahboubul Hassan is President of the Islamic Society of Greater Manchester.
He’s been working to get this construction project off the ground since 1998.
This afternoon (or “On a warm summer afternoon), a bulldozer clears piles of dirt, concrete and uprooted trees at the three acre site – to prepare for the foundation of the future mosque. Building Committee Member, Zahid Malik, says the completed mosque will be a 13, 000 square foot domed octagon surrounded by trees, with three levels – Main Prayer Hall, Mezzanine, and Basement; And he says the mosque will serve several functions. “Apart from offering prayer to Allah, it is also a place where people get together, they share their problems…and they also try to do many civic activities, like free education to the children. And then outreach. This place will not just be for Muslims…but will be open to people of all faiths.”
Malik estimates the project will take anywhere from six months to a year to build at a cost of about a million dollars. They’ve been able to hold down costs by enlisting the help of volunteers. For example, Babar Khan, Chair of the Building Committee points to the large Bosnian Muslim community, many of whom work in construction.
“A lot of those would do sight-clearing, manual labor and that sort of thing. But then we also have some skilled folks: electricians, plumbers, masons…so we’re hoping to utilize their expertise in those skills also.” And in a manner reminiscent of an old-fashioned New England barn-raising, non-muslims too have offered help.
Chris Emerson, Pastor of the First Congregational Church in Manchester – says the Greater Manchester Interfaith Council will be actively recruiting people of all faiths to pitch in: …… We have folks in our church here for instance who are happy to put up wall…happy to paint…work on trim…various types of essentially Joe Homeowner things. We have some professionals…but most of our people are eager to help, if their level but limited skill is needed.”
However…the project also has a share of people who don’t want it to be built.
Some soon-to-be neighbors don’t think the 3 acre site on Karatzas Avenue is suitable for such a large facility. And they worry that the five daily prayer services will attract hundreds of people to the area.
Frank Scarito has been the most outspoken opponent. “The issue is, the situation of a large and heavy usage building in a predominantly residential neighborhood…on a street that is not maintained by the city (or loosely maintained by the city)…doesn’t have adequate size to accommodate two-way traffic…doesn’t get adequate snow-plowing…has no utilities, i.e., there’s no water or sewer up there. The plan itself doesn’t allow for what we think is appropriate parking for large volume usage. It just doesn’t make any sense up here.”
“up here” is a little bit of country in the midst of Manchester; a hilltop area, where very few residents live several lots apart, surrounded by vegetation that provides plenty of privacy. Scarito worries that his quiet world is about to end.
“They are only going to have 57 parking spaces…and knowing what I know about their faith, and need to pray five times a day, if they showed up each of the five times a day, there wouldn’t be enough parking to accommodate them.”
But board members have promised to enforce a maximum capacity of 200 people. And despite the opposition, the Society was able to obtain all the proper planning & zoning permits to move forward with the project.
Then another roadblock appeared.
Because the project depends on volunteers, most of the work at the site was taking place during off hours and on the weekends.
And again the neighbors complained.
They said it violated a city ordinance.
The Society applied for a waiver, but Max Sink – Deputy Director of Manchester’s Building Department – says they failed to show a “compelling need for after-hours work.”
“The ordinance restricts noise caused by construction…other than between the hours of 7AM and 9PM on weekdays…except in cases of emergency or urgent necessity in the interest of public health and safety. And then only with a permit from the building commissioner, for a limited time only, while the emergency continues or urgent necessity warrants.”
The Society’s President, Mahboubul Hassan is disappointed that neighbors called police to complain about noise. “You know it’s not true. It’s not the noise. They didn’t want us to build a mosque. They objected right from the beginning.”
And indeed, they did, and still do, object. But Frank Scarito insists he is not biased against Muslims.
“We were called racist, bigoted. It’s not a racial issue, it has everything to do with public safety and conditions of the road. I don’t want condos, apartments…no church, no mosque, no synagogue, no temple, no Dunkin’ Donuts, no strip mall.”
Instead, Scarito says he and his neighbors are the real victims of discrimination, because they feel they have been ignored by the city.
The Interfaith Council’s Chris Emerson says he empathizes with the neighbors.
But he wants the Mosque project to continue.
“There’s no question that there is a tremendous heritage and history to Islam that the American people need to discover…which all the tragedies around terrorism have prevented many of us from seeing.”
The Interfaith Council has scheduled a meeting for next week. There they hope to address neighbor’s concerns and move forward with the project….to everyone’s satisfaction.
For NHPR News, this is Debra Daigle in Manchester.
Suddenly New Hampshire doesn’t seem that great after all…
April 24th, 2007 at 9:45 pmAny advice? Look at Europe, this is how the shit starts.
Indeed, look at Europe …
This is what you”ll see http://www.kennislink.nl/web/show?id=146347.
Possible consequences of a mosque in your neighbourhood as one of the most important manifestattions of Islam: it overly accentuates the differences in cultures, it may take too dominant a place in the overall view of a city. Another possibility is the call to prayer - which in this country is in priciple allowed by law since it is equated with the ringing of church bells.
The possibility it creates as a meeting place for terrorist cells, etc, etc.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:25 pm.
Sorry, the link doesn’t work.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:33 pm“this country” = the NetherlandsThe mosque (in Rotterdam) is huge, believe you me. Google yourself. Somehow it doesn’t feel right to have this big building in our midst here ……
IG:
Nice summary. You’re right. For them, it’s not about oil. It’s our cultural encroachment into the isjamist intolerant world, but the reason we are there is oil. The industrialized nations have a national interest in the Gulf. What would happen if we cut and run?
1. The Saudis and Iranians would fund a Sunni-Shiite war in Iraq which could go nuclear.
2. If the Persian Gulf were closed oil would hit $150 a barrel and in six months our economies would collapse.
3. We would be forced to return with a larger military force to a much more dangerous Middle East.
Who wins? Osama Bin Laden. An Islamist Iraq would provide him with a safe haven and vast resources with which to spread his holy war.
As for a Presidential ticket - Fred Thompson has said what I want to hear. Strong defense, respect for the constitution (including the 2nd amendment), fiscal restraint, Social Security reform. I could care less about gays. The courts will soon solve the abortion problem.
April 25th, 2007 at 2:09 amI don’t believe in abortion after there is the presence of brain waves (definition of life), am not threatened by gays having marital rights, (people who are unable to love scare me more), and yes I would vote for Rudy.
April 25th, 2007 at 3:25 amI’m a pretty simple person so maybe I’m missing something. It seems to me that the Muslims are were our Christian society was at the time of the Crusades and the also the Inquisition - wipe out the non believers mentality, oil is not the issue, fanatical belief is.
The first Golf war ended with some stipulations- Saddam refused to follow them, the UN kept talking, threatening, doing nothing. Weapons of mass destruction or not, what are the consequences of not doing anything when a peace agreement is broken? The UN becomes ineffective as a way towards world peace- they become just a bunch of talkers. Just like the liberal parents who threaten and do nothing- kids go wild.
As far as the war on terror, knowing that the USA will retaliate,and there will be huge consequences, what country will be too overt on harboring terrorists? I believe they have left us alone because of men fighting over there, and I also believe that if the liberals would shut up and quit giving moral support to the insurgency, the war would be over much sooner. I agree4 that if someone really wanted to, it would not be too hard to make a terrorist attack here. Yes, counter terrorism forces have done a great job, but this country is too big-I don’t think it’s just that.
Like I said, I’m a simple person, and I know there are a lot of other things involved, however, breaking it down to the simplest terms, I think this country needs to pull together to end this war by totally supporting it. That will be more demoralizing to the enemy that the biggest bombs and troop surge.
So far Rudy seems to be the only one worth trusting with our men and woman in theatre.
I think he’s a good choice and I’ve given his campaign some money.
April 25th, 2007 at 4:39 amMake no mistake: Rudy will never be elected President. The pro-lifers will NEVER vote for him, they’d rather die.
Fred Thompson is the new Reagan; he has my support, and I could vote Thompson/Rudy.
I’m really surprised no one noticed I linked to a story about Rosie leaving the View. Screw you guys, I’m going home.
April 25th, 2007 at 4:51 amG’day. The IG, thanks for your explanation for the threat of Islamofascism - failed societies and failed nation states, religious isolation and intolerance. Their culture is based upon an archaic, rigid interpretation of the Quoran. They see capitalism as a problem. They see Liberalism, wealth, the other major religions as in their way to spread the Islamic Caliphate - there is none, except Allah. That is their mission. They are not the least interested in talking with Liberals or Conservatives. Conservatives realise this; Liberals, in their usual self-delusionary state can only hum kumbabya. Remember, both Liberals & Conservatives are INFIDELS and are to be wiped off the face of this planet! Liberal Hollywood, a den of debauchery and godlessness would be a prime target of these religious zealots[ISALMOFASCISTS]. Kipp, who is your enemy? Bush or the Islamofascists?
John in PA, that is a sensational translation! Couldn’t be put better. Such is the stark reality of the Liberal mindset, otherwise, it would have been hilarious. Kipp, you may recall that OBL laughed at Clinton’s cut and run in Somalia in the 90s. He called America, “paper tiger”, thanks to BJ Clinton.
Here’s what I found:
“The American Great Satan is wounded and bleeding,” says Hassan Abbasi, Ahmadinejad’s strategic advisor.” Bush is the last U.S. president to make a stand. And he, too, is weakened by the victory of his enemies [in recent U.S. elections].”
Abbasi believes that the Islamic Republic should adopt “pre-emptive discouragement” to break the will of the American leaders that will succeed Bush. “If we break Bush, no other American leader would have the heart to defy Islam,” he says. [MUST READ: excerpt from an article in New York Post 1/10/07, by Iranian born journalist, Amir Taheri in Europe. http://www.nypost.com/seven/01102007/postopinion/opedcolumnists/facing_iran_opedcolumnists_amir_taheri.htm
Stop blaming America, Kipp
April 25th, 2007 at 5:01 amRe Rudy, He helped convert Dennis Miller.
I saw Miller on Leno years ago and he was asked why did his political views change, and Miller stated that what he saw Rudy do with NY and what he heard about him, did not connect. His liberal friends talked about how Rudy was a nazi and was destroying the city and on and on with added personal attacks, i.e. the dreaded politics of personal destruction. The problem was that everytime he visited NY it was getting better and better. So he began to question what he was told to believe and what he saw in reality in regards to other aspects of politics.
Thus his conversion to a reality based life.
Me thinks Rudy has the skills to be an effective leader and if he stays true to his belief in choosing the Constitution over his personal beliefs, I may be all in.
April 25th, 2007 at 5:03 amSorry Rummy did we not respect your Authoritie?
April 25th, 2007 at 5:06 amSteve, it doesn’t matter if you’re all in or not. The people who put Republicans in office do not vote for pro-choice people, ever. That is why there is no hope for Rudy, no matter how sexy he is otherwise, or how well he dances around the issue.
Abortion is a more powerful issue than the war to these voters. And I sympathize; my father is one of them, and we don’t exactly handle snakes on Sunday mornings, either.
Yeah, no one’s respecting my authority. Have you tried clicking on my name recently? It links to some of the funniest shit I’ve ever seen.
April 25th, 2007 at 5:25 amTHIS JUST IN:
Our Cunt-in-Chief, Nancy Whorelosi, has just snubbed Petraeus again! She dialogued with him on the phone, I guess. She couldn’t make it to the meeting, I guess because she’s too busy fucking Senator Douchebag in the ass with a strap on.
April 25th, 2007 at 5:31 amRudy is “relatively” balanced.
I would say that his liberal part comes from believing that idiots should be allowed to be idiots. He does believe the nations laws have no place in regulating idiots.
Rudy’s Ex: Gays can be allowed to live together under civil union, but there is no space for legislation that would make it a right to be allowwed to marry.
I would say that his core, what makes him him, is right of center but not far right. He knows who he is, what he is, what he can do, and where he is effective. He is not afraid to answer questions. He speaks from his core beliefs. What you hear is what you get.
The right to life issue is really a moot issue. Roe Vs Wade will never be overturned by any president. Rudy points out that the only real influence a president has on RvW is to appoint Supreme Court Justices that are conservative. He has repeatedly vowed to appoint only conservative justices.
He is clearly pro small govt. He is not a tax & spend jerk. He is is not an entitlement proponent - i.e. was key proponent in turning welfare into workfare.
He is not a believer in socialism. He is not a Robin Hood politician who robs from the rich to give to the poor. Income redistribution is not in his vocabulary or Political history.
I have not decided who I support yet. Its just stupid to decide at this time. However, If I had a choice between Rudy and Newt on this day (today) I would vote for Rudy. Says tons since I am a Newt Fan.
April 25th, 2007 at 5:49 amJust Heard on Brian & The Judge (Fox Radio Stream)
They called Setator Douchebag Reid on his childish retort to Cheney
Cheney (2 hrs from hospital visit) comes out to state Reid’s track record on support for the war. Paraphrase:
“In the past 5 months Reid has had 3 sweepingly different positions….”. Cheney is just stating the facts on Reid’s public record.
Senator Douchebag comes back with calling Cheney names and claims that its not worth getting entwined in the name-calling for someone so low in the popularity polls.
GOTTA LAUGH.
Reid is the only one engaged in name-calling, and to use the basis of popularity as a guide to dismiss the facts is sheer stupidity at its best.
LIBERALISM IS SO SHALLOW ITS SAD
April 25th, 2007 at 6:05 amI am very pleased to see that we are joined together in this common cause my fellow defenders of FREEDOM.
John in Pa - thanks for putting Kipp’s silly notions to rest with your analysis and translation of “Lib Thought”.
As a former Democrat of 32 years, IF WE (American People) PUT A DEMOCRAT IN CHARGE, we deserve all that the ISLAMOFASCISTS have in store for us.
2008, please VOTE for Freedom & the strength to defend it.
April 25th, 2007 at 6:11 amRudy Giuliani is probably the best choice for the Republicans to sustain the Presidency. McCain is a solid choice, but he is not an appealing, likeable man. Even though he has two children in the military, he does not come across as “popular”. Is that what we should be voting for? – of course not. But the tragic reality, demonstrated perfectly by the last congressional elections, is that the American public by in large do note vote for “leadership”. They tend to lean towards the more “appealing” candidate; take Kennedy and Clinton for example. Giuliani is a well known and respected leader – regardless of his specific stance on the issues. The perception of most people is that he is a “good man”. Americans would feel comfortable voting for him. Thompson, is a solid republican, but even that will only take him so far. I would wage that much of America in somewhere in the center, and those are the votes that win elections. We have far right and far left candidates that will have a hard time securing the fence-sitters. Giuliani is the most likeable out of both parties. He will be able to secure the center and as long as those who definitively stand on the right can back him up, he will win. (This means a compromise on certain issues i.e. abortion) This may not be the best solution, but any other course of action cannot guarantee a Republican in the white house – and we cannot afford that right now. He’s got my vote. Take it or leave it.
April 25th, 2007 at 6:39 amThe Next 9/11 is Coming Regardless who is in the WH. A Democrat President may actually create a false sense of security. Much like during the Clinton years and his head in the sand approach to terrorism, the terrorists made many inroads into our country without having to blow stuff up. Terrorists will again cheer a democrat administration in the WH. Why break down the front door when you can sneak in the back? Now, today is not much better. We are on the offensive, but no one is worried about covering the rear flank (our porous borders). It would be refreshing to hear our next president say. Sorry 12 million illegals your going home and the border is going to be nailed shut.
April 25th, 2007 at 6:50 amThis may be an unrelated issue, but I can’t help but feel that the incident with the British guy who ran into the pizza parlor, grabbed a kitchen knife, jumped up on a table, and cut his own dick off, was somehow caused by the war in Iraq.
April 25th, 2007 at 6:53 amJust based on national security, Rudi is my favorite at this point. Let’s face it, now matter who the republican nominee is he will be far better than Barak HUSSIEN Obama, Mrs. (Hillary screaching bitch) William Jefferson Clinton, Agore, Scary Kerry and the other limp wrist PC crowd wannabe’s Yuk! What a sorry bunch of puke’s on the Socialist side.
April 25th, 2007 at 7:08 amYeah, I’m looking forward to a president who can “do drag” with such impressiveness as well…
April 25th, 2007 at 7:23 amRudy dresses in ideological drag.
April 25th, 2007 at 7:50 amARe you sure that that guy in the pizza place wasn’t Reid? Maybe is was Pelosi? I’d say more likely it was Pelosi.
April 25th, 2007 at 7:56 amThought I would repost some bullshit from the guestbook here.
# GOP08_DOA
Great looking site. Too bad you just can’t handle the truth.
April 25th, 2007 at 7:30 am
# rumsfeld47
The truth, DOA? YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE FUCKING TRUTH.
You think truth is what comes out of politicians mouths? You think truth is what you see on the cable news? You think truth is what you read in the papers?
Pat Dollard paid his own way to Iraq and took along a video camera. If you want to know the truth, he got in on tape, you leftist piece of shit.
The truth is that this country has had it easy for fall too long; we’ve put out the small fires, and now the whole forest is going to burn. If cheesedicks like you have their way, not only will America be lost, but so will the rest of the world with it. If cheesedicks like you have their way, we’ll be crying on our dicks when Muhammed-Ali-Camel-Fucker buys a nuke from Iran and blows up half of New York City, and Iran says, “what, we had nothing to do with it.”
Fuck you, motherfucker. You don’t like this site? This site don’t like you, now fuck off.
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Man, if I have to reid one more piece of liberal bullshit this morning, I’m going to run into the local pizza parlor, grab a knife from the kitchen, jump up on a table and cut my dick off!
April 25th, 2007 at 8:00 amhttp://www.troopsneedyou.com/
work from more troops
April 25th, 2007 at 8:10 amWhat a jerk….he couldn’t buy NYFD radios….and he needs a hearing aide….he needs a sex change besides i hear he crossdresses!
waste of air!
April 25th, 2007 at 8:38 amJust like all Libs!!!
Shallow. No content. No values. Can’t even offer their own opinions based on own understandings. They’re all spinless followers.
99.999% of all Libs just can’t rise above personal attacks on individuals. look at Sen Douchebag Reid. The best he can come up with is to call Cheney names. He can’t address the issues because there is too much truth in that.
Worthless pieces of cow pie:!:
I propose an experiment: Put all Libs into a few states. We can then have 2 governments. Those with Lib values go. Then we will watch the Islamists attack!
We can watch them trample each other to rise to the top
We can watch them save themselves with talk.
We can watch them beat evil with words.
April 25th, 2007 at 9:09 amI *think* we need to start a culling. Too many liberal fuckheads pollutin’ the place here.
April 25th, 2007 at 10:14 amI’m with Rudy on the WOT….but I cringe when I think of his abortion stance.
I’ll vote for whoever gets the Rep. nomination..hoping it’s Fred Thompson.
April 25th, 2007 at 10:41 amRonny Boy could not find is ass if he had a hold of it :twisted:. A real classic liberal post. Now, where did I put that barf bag?
April 25th, 2007 at 10:53 amharry reid, whatta unremarkable dipshit - he always reminds me of the sleazy nevada senator in “godfather II.: both he and pelosi are so utterly imcompetent, driving their party’s poll numbers down & down, i’m beginning to think they’re not really democrats at all but plants put in place by the evil, machievellian karl rove — as you can see, i get my theories from the wunderkids over at daily kos!!!!
April 25th, 2007 at 11:34 amwhere can we see the latest Dem poll numbers???
April 25th, 2007 at 1:23 pmRon I believe what you are referring to is that FDNY was on the wrong frequencies. But other than that unless you have anything with an ounce credible to say go somewhere else and write stupid shit to try to piss people off. It’s annoying and childish. Some day, when your balls finally drop, do us a favor and come back.
April 25th, 2007 at 6:39 pmWhat about Fred Thompson? Heard him once a few weeks ago. First impression - very articulate (excellent communicator), able to explain conservative values in a simple, uncluttered manner. He will be the most conservative if he runs. But he carries some baggage, albeit not as large as Gingrich. Maybe a Thompson-Giuliani ticket?
Giuliani has outstanding credentials on National Security from his pre and post 9-11 days. He has the runs on the board. None of the other candidates, on both sides, have this asset. But it doesn’t mean Fred Thompson cannot do just as well, or even better.
Forget about Sen. Clinton and Obama when it comes to this issue. Although I don’t (cannot) vote
, I am leaning towards Fred Thompson at present. But it’s way too early to decide.
I hear Giuliani is at least 9 points ahead of Clinton in NJ, an Liberal stronghold. Obama has drawn level with Clinton.
April 26th, 2007 at 12:44 amJohn,
We already do have states with Liberals…They are the NE and the West Coast…You know, the states that drive this nation.
Kipp
April 26th, 2007 at 5:35 amWhat do you think about the Dems screaming foul when Giuliani attacked their policies?
It is about time Republican start tagging the loony left what they are.
I am a big Fred Thompson fan(http://AnotherRonaldReagan.com), but Rudy’s stock just went up in my book. Bush and crew seems unable to defend themselves or their policy. Republican have been giving the Democrats a free pass.
April 26th, 2007 at 6:16 am“So far Rudy seems to be the only one worth trusting with our men and woman in theatre.”
Dunno, I don’t think I could go for Rudy. So far there are only two that I would consider voting for. Duncan Hunter & Fred Thompson, in that order.
April 26th, 2007 at 12:08 pmFred Thompson did a masterful job bringing Cole Trickle and Rowdy Burns together to settle their differences. He didn’t take no shit from either of them as well. Based on this alone he;s getting my vote (right now). But in all seriousness, Giuliani would be a good Pres. but he leans left on too many social issues for a lot of people, McCain has gotten way to buddy-buddy with the..you know…”other” party, and Mit Romney is so unknown. For me, Thompson is the most solid candidate we have right now. Plus, Days of Thunder was awesome.
April 26th, 2007 at 10:09 pmI personally didn’t hear anything that Rudy say that wasn’t true.
April 27th, 2007 at 9:55 amWe see what the congress has done in the very short time that they are in control. So we can only Imagine what they would be up to if and when they gain control of the whit House. I think that Rudy hit the nail right on the head, and that’s what I like about him, he’s not afraid to call it as he sees it. If Barrack and Hillary are outraged at Giuliani.then we know that Rudy got it right folks
this is why I am a huge supporter of Giuliani. That and the fact he is the one thing standing between us and President Hillary Clinton.
April 27th, 2007 at 10:19 amI happened to live in NYC during the mayoralty of Rudy G. One quality he had was a fearlessness when confronting the liberal media elites and their proxies. They called him a racist, a Fascist, Benito Mussolini, the Scrooge and the Grinch…they hated him. As much as they now hate Bush and Reagan before them. And I cannot recall too many times where Rudy backed down to them. A lesser politician would have folded under the relentless assaults. You see that with Chuck Hagel who while clearly demonstrated great courage in battle is nonetheless not equally brave vis a vis politics.
Rudy created a paradigm shift in NYC politics. Few remember now that the changes he got done were unimaginable just a few years earlier. Lesser politicians would have kissed the ring of Al Sharpton. Rudy ignored it.
Look at some archives of news reports from the years of his tenure. They hated him with a seething passion not seen again until GWB. Because the struggle was local to the region, his chutzpah against the NY Times did not register to a lot of Republicans and conservatives at the time.
But caving in to Chris Mathews’ world view seems to happen a lot more than we would like from Republicans. I don’t think you’ll see Rudy do that. So while you may balk at his position on abortion (I disagree with him.) he will nonetheless be unafraid in taking on the establishment media and also eloquent in so doing. Let’s face it. Dubya is not a Great Communicator. When the media is working whole passionately to lose the war in Iraq, the ability to overcome that obstacle is imperative.
April 27th, 2007 at 4:21 pm