What Does Muslim Immigration Cost Europe?
From Global Politician
Fjordman - 5/10/2007
Do gang rapes boost GDP? Was that an offensive question, you say? Well, according to Sweden’s finance minister Pär Nuder, more immigrants should be allowed into Sweden in order to safeguard the welfare system. However, in reality estimates indicate that immigration costs Sweden at least 40 to 50 billion Swedish kroner every year, probably several hundred billions, and has greatly contributed to bringing the Swedish welfare state to the brink of bankruptcy. An estimated cost of immigration of 225 billion Swedish kroner in 2004, which is not unlikely, would equal 17.5% of Sweden’s tax income that year, a heavy burden in a country which already has some of the highest levels of taxation in the world.
At the same time, the number of rape charges in Sweden has quadrupled in just above twenty years. Rape cases involving children under the age of 15 are six times as common today as they were a generation ago. Resident aliens from Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia dominate the group of rape suspects. Lawyer Ann Christine Hjelm, who has investigated violent crimes in one court, found that 85 per cent of the convicted rapists were born on foreign soil or by foreign parents. Swedish politicians want to continue Muslim immigration because it boosts the economy, yet the evidence so far indicates that it mainly boosts the number of gang rapes. Meanwhile, research shows that fear of honor killings is a very real issue for many immigrant girls in Sweden. 100.000 young Swedish girls live as virtual prisoners of their own families.
An ever growing group of non-western immigrants in Norway is dependent on welfare. This was the conclusion of a study by Tyra Ekhaugen of the Frisch Centre for Economic Research and the University of Oslo. Ekhaugen’s research contradicted the often heard assertion that Norway’s labor market depends increasingly on immigrants. The study indicated quite the reverse. If the present evolution continues, immigration will increase the pressure on the welfare state rather than relieving it because many immigrants do not join the tax-paying part of the population. “Non-Western immigrants” in Norway are recipients of social security benefits ten times as frequently as native Norwegians. If we remember that “non-Western immigrants” include Chinese, Indians and other non-Muslims who are known for (and statistically proven to be) hard working, this speaks volumes of the heavy burden Muslims constitute on the welfare state.
Journalist Halvor Tjønn from newspaper Aftenposten, one of the few genuinely critical journalists in the country, in June 2006 cited a report from NHO, the Confederation of Norwegian Enterprise. NHO stated that the current immigration policies were a serious threat to the country’s economy. Norway is the planet’s third largest exporter of oil, next to Saudi Arabia and Russia. Yet according to NHO, there is a risk that much of the profit Norway earns from oil could be spent on paying welfare for a rapidly growing immigrant population. The most profitable immigration would be high-skilled workers who stay for period of limited duration, but at the same time not too brief. A Danish think tank has estimated that the net cost of immigration was up to 50 billion kroner every year, and those were cautious estimates. Denmark could thus save huge sums by stopping immigration from less developed countries. A study found that every other immigrant from the Third World — especially from Muslim countries — lacked the qualifications for even the most menial jobs on the organized Danish labor market.
Professor Kjetil Storesletten at the University of Oslo said that the net contribution of immigrants to the economy was probably negative in
Norway, too. “Admitting immigrants with low levels of education leads nowhere. We cannot continue the immigration policies we have followed until now,” said Storesletten. In Norway, social benefits and salaries for low-skilled workers are among the highest in the world. At the same time, the salaries for highly skilled workers are comparatively lower and the taxes are high. This compressed salary structure is the result of decades of Socialist policies in Scandinavia. It leads to attracting people with lower skills and little education, but also makes the countries less attractive for researchers and scientists. Still, the agency that handles immigration to Norway, UDI, in 2005 thought that the country must make it more attractive for both skilled and unskilled workers to move to Norway. “We need more immigrants,” claimed UDI chief Trygve Nordby. “Too few dare to say that we have a large need for non-professional workers as well,” he said. UDI, in turn, should be able to have more flexibility in deciding cases, and process cases more quickly and efficiently. As it turned out later, the bureaucrats of UDI were in fact so “flexible” that they had been running their own, private immigration policies, and that the agency’s liberal interpretation of asylum rules had “stretched the boundaries” of the law. UDI violated both the law and political directives when it granted residency permits to nearly 200 Iraqi Kurds in the fall of 2005. A commission that probed the controversial permits blasted the former head of UDI, Trygve Nordby, and his successor resigned. More than half of the social security benefits in the city of Oslo are spent of non-Western immigrants, a portion that has grown tremendously over the years. City council leader Erling Lae warns against prejudice and states that without immigrants, there would be “complete chaos” in Oslo. Meanwhile, Norwegian newspapers are worried that online debates are “flooded with racist comments” about Muslims. One of the racist comments they mentioned was this one: “A large number of Muslims out of their own, free will choose to live in parallel societies where they speak their mother tongue, watch foreign TV, despise the society they have moved to and pick spouses from their original homelands. The only contact they have with the natives is in the social security office.”
“The debate is often colored by ignorance. It is not a human right to be heard at any given time. It requires a certain minimum of social intelligence to be allowed to participate in the public debate,” says Esten O. Sæther, online editor of the Leftist, pro-Multicultural newspaper Dagbladet. Sæther warns that the newspapers may have to impose stricter censorship on their online discussion forums and the comments to online articles. However, Dagbladet seems to have little understanding of why so many people are fed up with Muslims and their demands. Neither have they admitted that they were wrong in their one-sided praise of the positive effects of Muslim immigration for decades, nor apologized for demonizing the right-wing Progress Party and its leader Carl I. Hagen throughout the 90s for their “racism” for questioning the real costs of this immigration.
On the contrary, although information about the costs of Muslim immigration has been available for several years, this was a non-issue
in Norwegian media prior to the national elections in 2005. Instead, they were focusing on “poverty” in Norway and the need for increased welfare spending. This in a country that is among the wealthiest in the world and which provides its citizens with the highest social security benefits in Europe. Norway’s media coverage of the national elections revealed a desire for a Leftist government, said Election expert Aarebrot, a professor at the Institute for Comparative Politics at the University of Bergen. He argued that, with few exceptions, most of Norway’s media leans to the left politically. “Most newspapers are what I would call politically correct. By politically correct in Norway today I mean slightly radical, urban and liberal,” Aarebrot said. Nearly 70 percent of journalists vote Labor (Ap), Socialist Left (SV) or Red Electoral Alliance (RV) according to a poll, and this is reflected in the press, Aarebrot said.
Oslo will have a non-Western majority in a few decades, if the current trends continue. There are now several researchers who predict that in Norway, Sweden and Denmark, the native population and their descendants will become a minority in their own country within this century. The only question is when. Since the Islamic Jihad usually enters a much more aggressive and physical phase once the Muslim population reaches 10 – 20% of the total in any given area, this does not bode well for the future of the urban regions in Scandinavia. Will they turn out different from similar regions in Thailand, the Philippines or Nigeria?
Admittedly, part of the problem lies with the Western European welfare state system itself and cannot be blamed on the immigrants alone. Iranian Nima Sanandaji tells of his family’s meeting with the Swedish system: “In Sweden my family encountered a political system that seemed very strange. The interpreter told us that Sweden is a country where the government will put a check into your mailbox each month if you don’t work. She explained that there was no reason to get a job.” “Although my mother got several jobs, we concluded that this really didn’t improve our family’s economy. During the sixteen years we have been in Sweden, my mother has in total worked less than one year.”
However, part of the problem is also due to the mentality of some of the Muslims who move there, yet display no loyalty to their new countries. Immigrant men who divorce their wives according to secular law, but stay married to them according to sharia, Islamic law, represent an increasing problem in the city of Odense, Denmark, according to Erik Simonsen, deputy major in charge of administration. The result is a large number of “single” women who receive welfare support. From other countries, it is known that some Muslim men to do this trick with several women at the same time. Some observers blamed the Muslim riots in France in 2005, accurately described by writer Mark Steyn as the “first welfare funded Jihad in history,” on polygamy practiced by Muslim men, paid for by French taxpayers. But also immigrants who are financially independent are cheating, says Simonsen. “80 percent of the immigrant economy in Odense is a black market economy. That’s a lot, and it cannot be tolerated, because the law is equal for all.”
As one Muslim in Norway stated: “I worked in a Pakistani shop, but all of the work there is ‘unofficial.’ Neither the boss nor I pay taxes to Norwegian authorities. In addition to this, I receive 100% disability benefits and welfare. I have to be cunning to make as much money as possible, since this is my only objective with being in Norway.” Undoubtedly, many Muslims view welfare money from the infidels as Jizya, the poll-tax non-Muslims according to the Koran are supposed to pay to Muslims as tribute and a sign of their inferior status and submission to Islamic rule. In Britain, one member of an Islamic group warned an undercover reporter against getting a job because it would be contributing to the kuffar (non-Muslim) system.
One of the reasons for the low participation in the work force among Muslims is a very high drop out rate from schools, especially for boys. Although Muslims themselves blame this on “poor integration efforts” and “marginalization,” some of them are actively obstructing their kids’ education, lest they become too much like the infidels. Thousands of Muslim children with Scandinavian citizenship are sent to Koran schools in Pakistan and other countries, to prevent them from becoming “too Westernized.” When this practice was documented and criticized by the Norwegian organization Human Rights Service, Pakistanis in Norway had the galls to ask for a school for their children in Pakistan, funded by Norwegian taxpayers. They will probably get it.
According to the Copenhagen Post, in Denmark when the country’s schools open their doors again after the summer holidays, not every student is there to enter. Some schools report one in every five students missing from the schoolrooms. Daily newspaper Berlingske Tidende reported that some children had not returned from vacation in their homelands with their parents. ‘When students are kept away from school start, it’s a big problem for their integration and can affect the children’s educational level,’ said Integration Minister Rikke Hvilshøj. She said a committee would discuss methods to get parents to send their children to school from day one. ‘These are children who have problems beforehand following what’s going on at school,’ Hvilshøj said. ‘Not being there when the school year starts won’t make it any easier. We need to make parents understand that if their children are to get a good chance in Denmark, they need to make sure that they are there when school starts.’ Author and journalist Rushy Rahsid said she had often gone on long vacations to Pakistan with her parents as a child. ‘Families go on such long trips to give their children a healthy dose of religion, culture, traditions, and family,’ she said. ‘If you buy a very expensive ticket, you want to take full advantage of the trip and meet the entire family.’
Not that the problems always disappear when they actually attend school, either. Going to school is no child’s game for many children in Copenhagen, where beatings, kicks, robberies, and threats have everyday occurrences. The perpetrators are normally their own age. Violence and threats pose such a big problem in high schools in Malmö, Sweden, that the local school board wants to install surveillance cameras and security guards in the buildings. The city’s education director Matz Nilsson said unruly and aggressive students had become a more common sight in the high schools of Malmö, the home of some of Scandinavia’s biggest and roughest slums.
In the spring of 2006, police were deployed at a Berlin school after teachers complained that they could not cope with their students’ aggression and disrespect. A teacher who recently left the school told the Tagesspiegel newspaper that ethnic Arab pupils were bullying ethnic Turks, Germans and other nationalities. “School for them,” said Petra Eggebrecht, former director of the Rütli school, “is simply a place to fight for peer recognition, where young criminals become idols.” Young people are also easy targets for Islamist organisations. Outside the Rütli school, the children greeted visitors in Arabic.
When reporters went to school they were pelted with paving stones by masked youths from the schoolyard as the district’s mayor stood helplessly at the entrance of the building. An increasing problem in German schools is that Arab male students often refuse to respect the authority of women teachers. Students at the Ruetli Hauptschule were not shy about expressing their views to reporters. “The German (students) brown nose us, pay for things for us and stuff like that, so that we don’t smash in their faces.” But there are also conflicts between Arab and Turkish students, mirrored in battles between the city’s foreign-dominated youth gangs. Integration of foreign youths in Berlin is often poor. Even second and third generation children frequently do not speak fluent German and many fail to complete school - all of which leads to a high jobless rate among immigrant youths. White German families are moving out of districts like Neukoelln.
Muslim immigration has led to a spike in organized and violent crime, too. As early as 2002, Lars Hedegaard together with Dr. Daniel Pipes wrote about how Third-world immigrants - most of them Muslims from countries such as Turkey, Somalia, Pakistan, Lebanon and Iraq - constituted less than 5 percent of the population but consumed upwards of 40 percent of the welfare spending. What’s worse, however, is that Muslims were only 4 percent of Denmark’s 5.4 million people but made up a majority of the country’s convicted rapists, an especially combustible issue given that practically all the female victims were non-Muslim. Similar, if lesser, disproportions were found in other crimes.
In 2005, it was reported that 82 percent of crimes in Copenhagen were committed by immigrants or descendants of immigrants, and the police pressed charges against second-generation immigrants five times as frequently per capita as against ethnic Danes. Doormen working in the Danish capital are now often armed with guns or clubs so as to be able to defend themselves against violent immigrant gangs. There is more violence than ever before and some immigrant gangs have even been known to seek out doormen at their private homes. Immigrant criminal gangs are much more active than previously believed, and their brutality has them surpassing biker crime gangs like the Hell’s Angels or Bandidos, the State Police said. A Norwegian researcher warned that ethnic gangs could give Norway the kind of immigrant-related organized crime that had previously been unknown in Scandinavia. Arne Johannessen from the Norwegian Police Organization warned in 2003 that the cost of crime may have been doubled during the previous decade, in part due to immigration.
In Sweden, there has been a steep rise in all kinds of crime and violence at the same time as an unprecedented amount of immigration to the country. Of course, Swedish politicians would never dream of connecting the two. However, in one of those rare cases where a Swedish newspaper has actually told the truth, Aftonbladet revealed that 9 out of the 10 most criminal ethnic groups in Sweden were Muslims, a trend known from other European countries such as France, where Muslims make up 10% of the general population, but maybe 70% of the prison population. The number of people under the age of 18 who are serving sentences in juvenile detention centres in Sweden has risen sharply over the last five years.
Not that Western European prisons will scare immigrant children too much. The relaxed regime at a prison housing some of Holland’s most dangerous criminals has caused controversy. Pictures of tattooed prisoners enjoying a “social evening” and beer embarrassed the authorities which are sensitive to claims abroad that they are soft on crime. One inmate at Esserheem serving 14 years for murder said: “We have a party every weekend in our own prison bar. We can enjoy wonderful snacks, ice cream, beers, play cards or billiards and listen to music. If the weather is warm we can play tennis.” Another prisoner spoke of “perfect” fresh food and said: “We can buy everything in the prison shop including sushi and sake.” In the Netherlands, the economic argument deployed by both leftwing Multiculturalists and free-market conservatives - that immigration revives aging populations, provides new labor resources, and generates entrepreneurial activity – “simply does not apply.” There has been no overall economic benefit to population change since unskilled guest workers were invited to the Netherlands in the early 1970s. According to Paul Scheffer, a leading critic of Multiculturalism and professor of urban sociology at Amsterdam University, up to 60% of first-generation Turkish and Moroccan populations are unemployed.
Andrew Bostom, editor of The Legacy of Jihad, quotes the observations made by Dr. Muqtedar Khan, a much-ballyhooed Muslim moderate from the U.S., after a trip to Belgium. Even Khan admitted the largesse of Belgium’s welfare state towards its Muslims: “…the welfare check was normally 70 percent to 80 percent of the salary. For those [Muslims] who were married with children, welfare provided comfortable living and with low property values, even those on welfare could actually own homes.” American expatriate writer Bruce Bawer, living in Norway, has documented in his book While Europe Slept how Oslo imams preach brazenly that Muslims should expect these welfare benefits—and feel justified in supplementing them by stealing from stores—as a form of jizya extracted from their infidel “host” societies. As Bostom points, out, “such attitudes, whatever their origins, raise this larger basic question: why does the West continue to validate the raw, imbalanced bigotry that denies non-Muslims any access to Mecca and Medina—upon pain of imprisonment, torture, and death—while Muslims demand and are granted the ability to settle, with generous accommodations, within Europe or America?”
Indeed, some of the Muslims are actively involved in supporting Jihad activities, verbally or physically. Mullah Krekar is convicted of terrorism in Jordan, he has been suspected of links to the Madrid terrorists, and the CIA claims he has been ordering bombings in Iraq. He has lived off Norwegian welfare money in Oslo for years, and reputedly gets a lot of free taxi rides from Muslim cab drivers who think he’s a great guy. Norway’s most controversial refugee has lodged a threat against the country that has hosted him and his family for the past 14 years. Mullah Krekar continues to fight deportation back to Iraq, and calls any such order “an offense” that should be punished. “I defend my rights in their court just like Western people defend their rights. I am patient like they are patient. But if my patience runs out, I will react like Orientals do.” Asked how “Orientals” react, Krekar said: “I don’t want to comment on that.” Krekar has also spoken positively about terrorist leader Osama bin Laden and the recently killed Iraqi al-Qaida leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.
In Britain, the police have been investigating allegations that the four suspected London bombers from July 2005 collected more than £500,000 in benefits payments. The suspects are supposed to have used multiple aliases and addresses. One, Mr Ibrahim, is said to have had six aliases. Some are also shown to have claimed several nationalities, ages and national insurance numbers while in Britain. Investigators believe that bogus names were used to make some benefit claims. Two are also alleged to have obtained asylum using bogus passports and false names and nationalities. Mr Ibrahim, alleged to be the Hackney bus bomber, is believed to have used two dates of birth, six aliases, two national insurance numbers and two addresses. Mr Osman apparently went under five names, variously claimed that he was Eritrean or Somali, and used four addresses in southwest London. Mr Omar, 24, who is linked with the attack on a Tube train near Warren
Street, had five aliases.
The London Times quoted a report that expressed fears that Britain was “sleepwalking its way to apartheid” due to increased ethnic segregation. The paper, which took into account the background of the four July 7 suicide bombers who attacked London, pointed to social and economic deprivation as key drivers in their conversion to terrorism, ignoring the numerous calls for violent Jihad in the Koran and the hadith. It found that the Muslim community was the most “disadvantaged” faith group in the country, with lower educational attainment and higher unemployment. The document found that the unemployment rate among Britain’s 1.6m Muslims was more than three times that of the general population and was the highest of all faith groups. About half of all Muslims were economically inactive (52%). That was higher than any other religious group.
DP111, an articulate British commentator at such websites as Jihad Watch, Little Green Footballs and Fjordman blog, points out that as Muslim families are very large, a single wage earner will find it hard to support all. They will need to supplement this by getting considerable benefits from the state. Thus at a minimum, “some 80% of the Muslim population” subsists on welfare benefits: “A considerable amount of this money to Muslims from the British taxpayer, finds its way to finance the Jihad. The same scenario must hold in all European states that have a considerable Muslim population.” “We are in the ridiculous position of sheltering and feeding a population that is hell bent on destroying us. Islam’s people, from the very outset, were nothing but a collective to gain plunder and loot at the expense of other people’s work. In the past, it was conducted by war, conquest and then pillage. Now it is conducted by immigration (invasion), begging or crime. Meanwhile Muslim nations are given huge loans (aid), which we and they know will never be repaid. Thus, from a purely economic point of view, Islam seems to be a collective of people who live by the ethos of “beg, borrow or steal.” So why do we, the capitalist countries, who do not believe in offering anyone a free lunch, subsidise the most lazy yet aggressive bunch of people on God’s planet, who are bent on subverting our democratic system? The nub is, how has it come about, that the natural progression of the most advanced civilisation on earth is towards stupidity?”
He also points out that the cost of Muslim immigration is much higher than just welfare. “One really needs to factor the loss of confidence in the markets, loss of new investment because of a fear of flying or the disenchantment with intrusive security. Then there is the increased cost of insurance on all businesses.” All this affects the competitivess of business with nations that do not have a significant Islamic presence, such as Japan, Korea and Taiwan. We may be talking of million dollars or more per Muslim individual per year. “And to top it all, we give them huge amounts of aid, welfare benefits on a grand
scale, while we live in fear, and our freedoms compromised.”
Former Muslim Ali Sina claims that even in the USA, which has a smaller Muslim population and less social security benefits than Western Europe, Muslims are a huge drain on the economy: “Because about 2 million Muslims live in America and among them there are some who are terrorists, Americans are forced to expend hundreds of billions of dollars on homeland security. I have no idea how much is the actual cost. Let us be conservative and say it costs only $200 billion dollars per year. I reality it could be many times more. Does anyone have any idea? With just $200 billion dollars, every Muslim, including their children cost the taxpayers $100,000 dollars per year. This is the real “contribution” of Muslims to America Mr. President. Once you add the cost of the real damage caused in terrorist attacks, such as to planes, buildings, etc. this cost will be much higher. And here we are only talking about monetary cost. Can anyone calculate the cost that the families of the victims of terrorism pay? What is true in America is true in anywhere governments are forced to expend money to increase the security.”
Bat Ye’or in her book Eurabia - The Euro-Arab Axis describes how we are in the middle of a total transformation of Europe, which is the result of an intentional policy. In an interview with Israeli newspaper Haaretz, Bat Ye’or fears that Europe will become more and more Islamized until it becomes “a political satellite of the Arab and Muslim world.” “The European leaders have decided on an alliance with the Arab world, through which they have committed to accept the Arab and Muslim approach toward the United States and Israel. This is not only with respect to foreign policy, but also on issues engaging European society from within, such as immigration, the integration of the immigrants and the idea that Islam is part of Europe.”
Former French PM Charles de Gaulle, disappointed by the loss of the French colonies in Africa and the Middle East, as well as with France’s waning influence in the international arena, in the 1960’s decided to create a strategic alliance with the Arab and Muslim world to compete with the dominance of the United States and the Soviet Union. This alliance became the position of the European Community (pre-European Union) during the course of the 1970s, when an extensive European-Arab dialogue developed. However, this alliance, in the context of which Europe allowed the immigration of millions of Muslims to its territories and adopted an anti-Israeli and anti-American policy, will ultimately “transform Europe into a continent under the thumb of the Arab and Muslim world.”
As Bat Ye’or points out, most of the workings of Eurabia are hidden from the public view, but sometimes we can catch glimpses of it if we know what to look for. Italian Leftist PM Romano Prodi, President of the European Commission, the Politburo of the EUSSR, from 1999 to 2004, wants more cooperation with Arab countries. He talks about a free trade zone with the Arab world, but this implies the four freedoms of the EU, which includes the free movement of people. This is made clear in a document from 2003. This fact, and the implications of it, is virtually never mentioned in European media. During the Sixth Euro-Med Ministerial Conference in Brussels, 2003, it is stated that this initiative offers the EU’s neighboring partners “gradual integration into the expanded European internal market and the possibility of ultimately reaching the EU’s four fundamental freedoms: free movement of goods, services, capital and people.” Ministers were also expected to back the Commission’s proposal to set up a Euro-Mediterranean Foundation for the Dialogue of Cultures, a Euro-Mediterranean Parliamentary Assembly and a reinforced European Investment Bank (EIB).
In June 2006, after his Leftist coalition government signalized that they would be much more lenient with Muslim immigration to Italy, Romano Prodi announced that “It’s time to look south and relaunch a new policy of cooperation for the Mediterranean.” He was thinking of the Euro-Mediterranean partnership, launched in 1994 in Barcelona. Prodi said he had raised the issue with Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak, and Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi. The prime minister then explained that the Barcelona Process – which includes the creation of a free trade zone by 2010 - was no longer sufficient and a new different approach was needed. “The countries on the southern shores of the Mediterranean expect that from us” he added.
Muslim immigration is costing enormous sums and creating havoc across Western Europe, and EU leaders are working to give Muslims easier access to Europe – because Arabs expect this from them. Thank you for pointing this out, Mr. Prodi. And thank you for removing all doubts whether the European Union needs to be dismantled, and its treacherous and corrupt political elites removed from power.
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This is our future if the socialist democrats (i.e. all of them) continue in their path unchecked. It has already begun and continues with:
their defense of radical islamists
their subversive indoctrination of vicitimology & entitlement mentality
their sponsoring of HR1592 Hate Speech legislation that creates inequality of protection.
support for HR1592 that ultimately protects the purpetraitor and imprisons the victim
their double speak about how a war on terror does not exist.
their switch from “Question Authority” to “Authority is Wrong”
yada yada yada…..
Solution: Action Network
May 10th, 2007 at 4:08 amThe euros are getting what they deserve, you made your bed Sven, now lay in it.
May 10th, 2007 at 4:32 amOff topic - kind of….
GOP moderates now being fence sitters…
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,271153,00.html
Does anyone have access to the list of these moderates?
I have already sent my message to A. Specter who i believe is one of them. Please, if anyone hears or can find out who the fence sitters are please let us know.
We must show our voice of support for the war!
May 10th, 2007 at 5:37 ameuropeans are too nice for their own good, they want to feed the world rather than expect them to to learn how to feed themselves. they are now suffering for their generosity. the welfare state mentality kills peoples spirits and robs them of their dignity: after wards you have anarchy!
May 10th, 2007 at 6:00 am“Meanwhile, research shows that fear of honor killings is a very real issue for many immigrant girls in Sweden. 100.000 young Swedish girls live as virtual prisoners of their own families.”
Can someone please explain to me exactly what this means?
May 10th, 2007 at 6:04 amGreetings:
TedB you wrote: The euros are getting what they deserve, you made your bed Sven, now lay in it.
I think some re-writing is in order…
The euros are getting what they deserve, you made your bed Sven, now be raped in it.
Tim Roesch
May 10th, 2007 at 6:06 amCommand Private Major
just trying to get it write, one word at a time…(new math my ass!)
God I understand wanting to help people, but there should should be some way to make them not keep women prisoner in their families. This should NOT happen in a democracy.
May 10th, 2007 at 7:55 amMatt,
Recommended reading: “Infidel” by Ayaan Hirsi Ali. It deals in large part with the plight of girls and women from Muslim communities who are often treated as chattel slaves in the heart of the “tolerant” First World.
Many Muslim communities are separatist and show a strong tendency to recreate the cultures from which they came -which are almost universally Islamic and male supremist- and then deny citizens of countries such as Sweden, France and Spain the rights they are entitled to as such.
They are creating states within states.
This bodes horribly for Europe’s future. To get a tiny sense, look at separatist movements in the Basque region or perhaps Northern Ireland. Then add a Global Jihad Imperative to that. We will see secessionist movements for Muslim areas in the not so distant future. See Thailand and Kashmir currently for another glimpse of the future of Sweden.
May 10th, 2007 at 7:55 amfor some reason Kurt Cobain’s “Rape Me” comes to mind…
America WAKE UP
HR1592 now… & it’s our asses later….
can’t be passive in these times as we will be rolled & raped
May 10th, 2007 at 8:02 ammindy - who said there was a democracy in order? I remember that in a democracy the majority ruled.
That is why the d’rat are so interested in legislating from the bench, because it bypasses the actual legislature and it’s supposed representing of thier constituants. The ideology of the judge becomes the law. Why do you think there was so much opposition to judicial appointments by Bush?
DEFEND THE SECOND AMENDMENT
May 10th, 2007 at 8:28 amwe are going to need it
Scandinavia needs to bring back some good, ol’ fashioned Vikings and let ‘em cut loose.
May 10th, 2007 at 8:39 amAccording to this study (2004) the cost for Sweden was 300 billion kronor a year - or 17 % of all tax revenue:
4 pages in swedish:
http://www.skattegranskarna.se/pdfer/artikel004.pdf
mvh from Denmark
May 10th, 2007 at 8:41 amWhat’s that song by Neil Diamond???.. Ah, “Coming to America”!! Fuck, Eruope is lost and when our ass is on the line we will have to bail them out while we are bailing ourselves out. Leftest, PC, socialism, apathy. We’re fucked.
May 10th, 2007 at 9:12 am“Thus, from a purely economic point of view, Islam seems to be a collective of people who live by the ethos of “beg, borrow or steal.” So why do we, the capitalist countries, who do not believe in offering anyone a free lunch, subsidise the most lazy yet aggressive bunch of people on God’s planet, who are bent on subverting our democratic system?”
Very good question indeed. We may want to start reopening those cold war bases in Europe. The next 20 years we’re going to see some war.
May 10th, 2007 at 9:31 amIt makes sense that entitlement appeasers would set themselves up like this, unfortunately allot of people who aren’t making these decisions are paying the consequences.
Ain’t that a bitch.
May 10th, 2007 at 9:52 amI think everyone that is concerned about the future of our America needs to know how to handle weapons, ensure their families do so as well, and learn the art of reloading brass… if you don’t know what I mean, just wait until the libels decide that if they can’t outlaw guns for citizens, they will make it next to impossible to obtain ammunition…
I have acquaintances from several european countries, Sweden, Denmark, England. They are sick of what their countries are letting the muslims get away with, that the criminals are treated so poorly, yet if they were to do anything about it and got caught by the local authorities, their lives would be ruined. If they were to be caught by the immigrants, they know that not only would they suffer, so would their families, so they suffer in silence.
I am afraid that this will be getting a lot worse before it gets better, and the only way it will improve will be like so many others have said, another type of war, but without the military involved. We may be looking at fighting our neighbors for our very lives if we allow the libels to continually cave in to terrorists, while trying to bring down everything that is positive about our country
May 10th, 2007 at 11:36 amOn Honor Killings, an article in this months Discover said American Pilgrims did it also, only the husbands did the dirty work rather than the Muslims where the wifes family does it.
On “How Long do we Have”,
This is the most interesting thing I’ve read in a long time. The sad thing about it is, you can see it coming. I have heard about this democracy countdown. It is interesting to see it in print. God help us.
How Long Do We Have?
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>>>> constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at
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>>>> the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the
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>>>> Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:
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>>>> “A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a
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>>>> permanent form of government.”
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>>>>
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>>>> “A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters
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>>>> discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public
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>>>> treasury.”
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>>>>
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>>>> “From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who
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>>>> promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result
>>>> that
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>>>> every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which
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>>>> is always followed by a dictatorship.”
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>>>>
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>>>> “The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the
>>>> beginning
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>>>> of history, has been about 200 years”. “During those 200 years, those
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>>>> nations always progressed through the following sequence:
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>>>> 1. from bondage to spiritual faith;
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>>>> 2. from spiritual faith to great courage;
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>>>> 3. from courage to liberty;
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>>>> 4. from liberty to abundance;
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>>>> 5. from abundance to complacency;
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>>>> 6. from complacency to apathy;
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>>>> 7. from apathy to dependence;
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>>>> 8. From dependence back into bondage”
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>>>>
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>>>> Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul,
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>>>> Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000
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>>>> Presidential election:
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>>>> Number of States won by:
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>>>> Gore: 19
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>>>> Bush: 29
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>>>> Square miles of land won by:
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>>>> Gore: 580,000
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>>>> Bush: 2,427,000
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>>>> Population of counties won by:
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>>>> Gore: 127 million
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>>>> Bush: 143 million
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>>>>
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>>>> Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by:
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>>>> Gore: 13.2
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>>>> Bush: 2.1
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>>>>
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>>>> Professor Olson adds: “In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won
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>>>> was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great
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>>>> country. Gore’s territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in
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>>>> government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government
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>>>> welfare…”
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>>>> Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between
>>>> the”complacency
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>>>> and apathy” phase of Professor Tyler’s definition of democracy, with
>>>> some
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>>>> forty percent of the nation’s population already having reached the
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>>>> “governmental dependency” phase.
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>>>> If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal
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>>>> invaders called illegal’s and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the
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>>>> USA in fewer than five years.
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>>>>
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>>>> Pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at stake,
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>>>> knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom. Thanks for
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>>>> reading
IF, IF we have a snow balls chance in hell, it is the fact that we need people with balls, AKA: Courage, to stand up to the piss ants Murtha (EX-marine), Reid, Pelosi and tell them to go fuck themselves. Gotta replace the brothers Sharpton and Jackson as the self appointed speech police. Quit watching the boob tube and stop buying the liberal rags.
I wonder how Rummy is doing??? I bet his head is still spinning and if he can think, wonder what the fuck has he gone and done..
May 10th, 2007 at 12:26 pmRegarding women who are prisoners in their own homes:
http://www.sweetness-light.com/archive/wapo-claims-muslim-wives-are-abused-even-here
Of more general interest check this site:
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/
May 10th, 2007 at 1:35 pmCan anyone quote a verifiable source for the data below from tanicacid
>>>> Number of States won by:
>>>> Gore: 19
>>>> Bush: 29
>>>> Square miles of land won by:
>>>> Gore: 580,000
>>>> Bush: 2,427,000
>>>> Population of counties won by:
>>>> Gore: 127 million
>>>> Bush: 143 million
>>>> Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by:
May 10th, 2007 at 3:17 pm>>>> Gore: 13.2
>>>> Bush: 2.1
John in PA Start here
May 10th, 2007 at 3:41 pmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_2000
tanicacid quotes
May 10th, 2007 at 5:08 pm>>>> “A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters
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>>>> discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public
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>>>> treasury.”
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>>>>
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>>>> “From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who
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>>>> promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result
>>>> that
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>>>> every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which
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>>>> is always followed by a dictatorship.”
That is the reason why the west, Eu US UK and Australia are in the plight that they are in to varying degrees.
Socialist leaning parties have seen the light, that they can get popular votes from the drones in society by offering the nations treasure to those who make the most demands, and we now have the spectre of draconian state legislation making it difficult for those with a work ethic, and those who wish to be self sufficient in their lives to be made to be the outsiders in the society that rewards social parasites who have no intention of assisting in the good of the state or their society.
Everwhere we see the socialist ethic of distribution of the countries wealth to those who respond by shrill claims of more.
We certainly have decended to the level of comlacency, the communist idea of PC has taken hold in academia and in the schools so that the young are taught no history, made to feel that the world owes them a living without effort on their part and that those who question and of the lefts adgenda are to be abused and silenced.
The shrill bleating of the left towards the military and those on the conservative side of politics is a wonder to behold, but just wait and see the volume turned up when any of their precious handouts are curtailed.
All the western countries that have growing muslim populations are afflicted with the same problem with their muslims. Integration into society is a non event for most muslims, however getting the most benefits from the state in welfare is the going concern. Welfare states,EG most european countries, are the most affected as in the above article, but the countries of US,Canada and Australia(and NZ) are starting to get the same problems, as the muslim immigrants have infiltrated the society and see ways of milking the society for their benefit.
Let us all hope that good men everywhere are able to DO SOMETHING and soon or there will be a collapse in the west and then there will be senarios of insurrection, dictatorship and civil war.
Wake up! The hour draws near. Be heard, be forceful and be ready.
At least the US has the second amendment, most of the other western countries have disarmed their populations almost as if the governments have realised why the US has the second amendmant ( and thats not just for shooting turkeys, although it fits!!!)and have moved to head off that scenerio. Just a thought from an aussie.
peaceful one,
I read infidel as well and I recommend it whole heartedli, Hiirsi ali is one of my heroes!
May 10th, 2007 at 5:36 pmYes Im from Norway, and its with horror I watch whats going on in Sweden and increasingly here in Norway. Political correctness has taken complete hold of sweden, if you read swedish newspapers you will never see the ethnicity or national origin of rapists mentioned unless its an ethnic swede.
Indeed the welfare state has created a generation that feels entitled to welfare, but not required to contribute.
But that welfare state will collapse within a generation or 2, with immigrants (muslims mostly) taking up 55% of the welfare budget of our capital Oslo. Here too the socialist/liberals import votes, 80%+ of the muslims here vote red. So at current trends we may even have to forget about any chance of electing politicians that can turn the tide within a few decades.
A financial paper here also calculated that the now about 200 billion$ big oil fund setup to help support our pensions will be eaten up by immigration costs unless something dramatic is done and the trends turned.
Muslim numbers in Europe double every 15 years or so, so the clock is ticking fast towards Europes final demise.
May 10th, 2007 at 8:05 pmThank God for the framers of our Constitution who gave a Republic and not a Democracy.
May 10th, 2007 at 8:46 pmIf anyone was paying attention during the 2000 election, even tho Algore won the popular vote, the map was almost totally red. The figures sound right except for the one about criminals; I think it is juxtapositioned.
May 10th, 2007 at 10:09 pmArdentor - I hate to say it but you sir are the canary in the coal mine. I have watched developments in Northern Europe for a few years now. The situation becomes more and more absurd with each passing day… The good news? I think the indigenous population of Northern Europe will shortly turn up in revolt. Already there are signs of such.
May 11th, 2007 at 6:25 amIt will hurt, and hurt hard but, you must do it. You, in effect sir, have a parasite feeding on your national host. It can’t go on much longer because even with the wonderful natural treasures of your land, when the political structure faces collapse the politicians will finally have to say that they made a monumental mistake…
Some might say that I am a right wing extremist… Read Fjordman’s statistics. Is there anyone out there refuting them? Rather than being an extremist, I think I am a realist… It is very hard to refute reality… The native population of Northern Europe can only put up with this for so long. Hence, the recent riots in one major city (sorry, can’t remember where) when a native was shot dead by a Muslim policeman for the crime of intervening in a potential rape of a native citizen that did not wear the hijab (you can google it for further info).
You know, one of the pieces of the puzzle is that relatively wealthy Americans, like myself, no longer travel to Europe. While we have the means to vacation in Europe we choose not to. Do not underestimate the tourism industry. Just recently I considered taking a 14 day cruise from London to St. Petersburg. When I read that 3 days would be devoted to Northern Europe, I decided not to go. This adversion to visiting Northern Europe also spills over into the business and academic world. You will find yourself isolated by the U.S. population, not the government, but it will start to hurt.
Speaking of appeasement–which is where things always begin—what about the foot baths being provided for Muslims at the St. Louis Airport. Are there other places that have made this concession? Funny how some airports have banned the offensive Christmas tree so as to not show favoritism for a certain religion. Yet, they are specifically catering to another. My husband and I both see the rising persecution of Christians and are beginning to plan for the future. I agree with teaching family members to know how to use guns to protect themselves. We also are working on ways to increase our self-sufficiency.
The old testament tells of these developements. It is at once unnerving and comforting to see prophesy unfold before your eyes. Iran–the rising–Ishmael wants his revenge for being denied his birthright. It tells of the Russian involvement with Iran. Anyone who thinks this world-wide conflict is strictly political, is severly short sighted. I say unnerving/comforting because it shows that God’s word is true and unfailing. Those things that He has said will come to pass…..will come to pass. I rely on His promise that those who believe in Him will be taken from this mess before things get too bad.
My husband and I are in our 30’s. A mere 10 years ago, I would have not dreamed that I would be in this mind set—of preparing for Christian persecution and preparing for the end times. Yet, you cannot deny the writing on the wall. You cannot deny the accuracy of scripture. For those who are interested I recommend reading the Old Testemant. Joel Rosenberg, Tim La Haye, and Jerry Jenkins are prophecy scholars who are good at breaking down the Bible—but not just supplying their own version of an interpretaion. They are good at explaining how they come to their conclusions. It is true no man knows–Christ will return in the twinkling of an eye to reclaim His followers before the Earth goes to hell (literally). It is amazing though to see the time line and to realize that the clock is ticking. In some ways, it could lead you to think well why fight? If all of this is prophecy anyway there is no reason to fight against the inevitable. I don’t believe that and neither does my husband—which is why he believes in what he is doing in Iraq. He is helping stem the tide. I can accept much easier that his true mission really comes from the ultimate chain of command. It would be disheartening to know he is risking all on a country full of traitors.
PS for this post and all future posts–if you notice typos and/or errors please overlook. I often am writing with at least one child on my lap. My sons associate the computer with getting to talk to their Daddy and whenever I sit down here they want to come and see if he is here also.
May 11th, 2007 at 7:49 amHeather -
I do not think we should succumb to evil and then expect to find salvation. The fight must be fought, this may not be the beginning of the end, but a challenge before us to see if we are strong enough to overcome evil.
Re typo & such, it don’t matter, your message gets through, funny I find myself typing in phonics like ‘new ‘ when I meant ‘knew’ when I get to ranting online. To someone who will dismiss the message of those that have the typos and stuff, you are also probably a bigot, I have discovered that of myself when being one of the few whites where I lived and worked for a time, that to dismiss someone who does not use the proper ‘Kings English’ as inferior, exposes bigotry and denies yourself the wisdom they may impart.
May 11th, 2007 at 8:11 amsorry for going off on a tangent there, I just love to tipe
John in PA
Check out this link from snopes.com they did the fact checks
http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/tyler.asp
May 11th, 2007 at 8:40 amKari,
Thanks for the snopes check on that old email legend. The “multiple” status at least gave some credit to trends. I know the county of Sheriff Prinz, his dad made national news years back by tracking down some killers in the mountains here ..pissing off the feds to no end.
May 11th, 2007 at 9:41 amKari,
Thanks for the snopes check on that old email legend. The “multiple” status at least gave some credit to trends. I know the county of Sheriff Prinz, his dad made national news years back by tracking down some killers in the mountains here ..pissing off the feds to no end.
I had to think a moment on snopes and urban legends site. On this piece they did good I think on tracking stuff down. BUT, they can be misled or wrong too at times. Case in point was back in the Clinton administration there was a piece about certain Marines on the Presidential details were subtely disrespectful of him. They investigated it and the Staff Seargent they talked to denied any of it…duh ( hmmm, pleasing a reporter or brig time). I met the mother of a Marine that was assigned to HMX-1, the Presidential Helicopter, and she confired it was true as her son relayed it to her, and that Clinton was an…well, didn’t treat low life Marines very well. Her son is dead now and I treasure the pic she gave me of her son and the previous Pope shacking hands ( a Denver visit maybe?)as he was on that detail. The Pope gave them each an autographed copy of that pic and thanked them all for their service to their country. She keeps that pic on the wall as Clinton didn’t do any of that…man, that old fart knew PR.
May 11th, 2007 at 10:03 amKari,
I had to think a moment on snopes and urban legends site. On this piece they did good I think on tracking stuff down. BUT, they can be misled or wrong too at times. Case in point was back in the Clinton administration there was a piece about certain Marines on the Presidential details were subtely disrespectful of him. They investigated it and the Staff Seargent they talked to denied any of it…duh ( hmmm, pleasing a reporter or brig time). I met the mother of a Marine that was assigned to HMX-1, the Presidential Helicopter, and she confired it was true as her son relayed it to her, and that Clinton was an…well, didn’t treat low life Marines very well. Her son is dead now and I treasure the pic she gave me of her son and the previous Pope shacking hands ( a Denver visit maybe?)as he was on that detail. The Pope gave them each an autographed copy of that pic and thanked them all for their service to their country. She keeps that pic on the wall as Clinton didn’t do any of that…man, that old fart knew PR.
May 11th, 2007 at 10:06 amThanks Kari
Some of this stuff is claimed debunked urban legend yet
the numbers are valid enough EXCEPT for the murder rate.
“Corrected Claim” is Gore = 6.5 & Bush is 4.1
But, note that Gore’s rate is 58% higher than Bushes.
Now, it would be nice to have welfare data by county. I don’t have any time to get the raw data. If welfare data supported the original (which it probably does) claim I would definitely make use of it.
May 11th, 2007 at 10:07 amSorry for double, triple posting, not used to this format yet. Since we want to get the straight scoop here: errata, Johnny Franz was the sheriff that tracked those killers in the mountains, not Jay Prinz.
The thing that struck me about this old semi-bogus inet article is that it sure paralelled the article here that Pat posted, and it looks a lot more official now.
May 12th, 2007 at 5:31 amGreetings from Finland, which is a country where this sanity is about to begin. We have - thank God - only about 2 % outsiders from muslim countries yet, but the nighmare is waiting.
For Ardendor: it’s a real pity You are destroing Your beautiful country and Your societies, I really love Norway, the most fresh country in the world beyond Finland of course
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For Fjordman: You are genious. Magnificent article.
May 14th, 2007 at 12:19 pmThank you Fjordman and thank you Pat Dollard. Honestly I think it is already too late. At least it is too late to solve this thing with “nice” methods and we have to get nasty. The problem is really not about dealing with jihadists but with our politicians, bureaucrats and pc-media. After we have dealt with that scum, we can move on to islamofascism. It is no co-incidence, of course, that European media is always warning us about the dangers of American-style right to bear arms. If only we Eurabians were free men…
Anyway, I’m from Finland which is allegedly a very racist country. Maybe so, but don’t you think we have a point? I mean, we don’t have many of the problems the Continent has. Yet.
May 14th, 2007 at 11:57 pmChristian Symbols and Christian Resources…
Sorry, it just sounds like a crazy idea for me :)…
October 6th, 2007 at 9:50 pm