I hear it said that not all Muslims are terrorists but how come all the terrorists are Muslim? I see a disconnect here. I have a friend who is a Muslim, but I never turn my back on him.

I’m also a Christian, but I didn’t see any Christians flying any planes into buildings on 9-11. didn’t see any Jews doing that either.

So what’s wrong with this picture? It’s simple. When Christians and Jews become more like their prophets, they become decent people. When Muslims become more like their prophet, they become an OBL.

So I’ve come to the conclusion that Muslims are the enemy.

And cherry-picking events from Muslim history doesn’t change that fact.

I remember 9-11. It wasn’t about our policies or about history, it was about hate. These people enjoy murder.

In conclusion: Fuck the towel heads. Only a sheep bends its head before it gets cut off….and I ain’t no fucking sheep.

I firmly bellieve the terrorists are not Muslim, but rather use that religion to hide behind and recruit from due to the huge percent of Muslims around the world that are impoverished. Mike ahs some valid points, the ancient Muslims were avid scholars, as are many today.

The terrorists are only interested in twisting the Koran to support their views. Many scholars and Muslims are against the teachings of the haters. They do want to live in peace. What we need to do is watch out for the inciters, and reach out to our neighbors that are against violence, lest misguided anger turn more people into terrorists. I know some Muslims, they are against the terrorists and state they are not Muslim, but devils that abuse the Koran, and will burn for their efforts.

We need to learn from history, and remember that almost all religions of the world have been used and twisted to torture and kill many innocents in the name of said religion. I do not care what any one else’s religion is, as long as it does not demand my transition from Christianity, and does not call for the death of innocents. There are millions of Jews, Muslims, Christians, Buddhists and adherents of other religious beliefs that feel this way.

And no not all terrorists are Muslim. Timothy McVey was not Muslim. Hitler and Mussolini weren’t either. Nor Stalin, Lenin, Mao Ghengis Khan or many others.

Pat does a great job with this site, and letting everyone voice their point of view is great as well. What we need is to stay focused on defeating the terrorists. We are not at war with Muslims. We need to stand firm, and wathc each others back from the terrorists, the MSM and the elected liberal facist socialist pigs portraying themselves as democrats.

12 years in the military I saw an awful lot out there, we need to keep our eyes and ears open, remain vigilant and not stereotype everyone out there lest we lead to more poeple out to “get even” for abusive behaviors. We are a nation of patriotic Americans, not skin heads.

Semper Fi

You should read their Koran, and the Hadith, and the Sunna.

They’re not twisting their religion around at all. The Jihadis are FOLLOWING it.

I saw plenty during my 15 years in service. But one thing that I learned, was to research the facts before rendering a judgement.

I done my homework.

Here’s a list of books to read there Brad:
Islamic Imperialism - Efraim Karsh
What Every American Nedds to Know About the Quaran - William Federer

The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam - Robert Spencer
Because They Hate - Brigitt Gabriel
Unveiling Islam - Ergun and Mehmet Caner
Now They Call Me Infidel - Nonie Darwish
The Legacy of Jihad - Andrew G Bostom and Ibn Warraq

There. Now enlighten yourself.

Here’s a quick read on “The Religion Of Peace”
http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/whatyropou.htm

Keep in mind that a recent poll amoung Palestinians in the West Bank showed that 71% of them favored suicide attacks against Israel…even if those attacks killed innocent civilians. Is this representative of most of the Muslims in the world? I think it is.

Its a sham if you cant see them flying war planes on Afghanistan and Iraq and killing innocent people

I ask my Iraqi friend to explain this. His reply, ”that’s bullshit…the Americans changed the words to make us look bad…the Arabic version does not say that”

I’m not completely close-minded to this possibility. So that night when “Ammar” is home, I get his version of the Koran. I have a Catholic friend from Beruit. He reads and writes 5 languages, has a degree in Engineering. Arabic and English are his two strong suits.

I had him the Arabic version first and tell him to read it. Then I hand him the English version and tell him to read the same passages. Guess what boys and girls?? Word for Word the same. I had 3 others translate the same pages to ensure it wasn’t tainted. Each time, I handed them the Arabic Version first and asked them to tell me what it said BEFORE I gave them the English version.

Keep in mind the high illiteracy rates in Iraq when you access the potential of jihadist recruits. Most Iraqis working class and peasants that I have come in contact with are unable to read or write Arabic. They depend on Clerics to explain the religious teachings of the Koran. Just as Catholics, Jews, and Protestants use their holy books to control the masses, radical thinking Muslims do the same.

I see we now have 2 options.

A) B-52 strikes, fill the crater with water, stock with bass, and invite your buddies to the Mid-East Bass Tourny

B) Donate $1 to the Hooked-On-Phonics for little jihadists. ”For the cost of a cup a coffee a day, you too can teach little Mohammed to read the peaceful message brought by the greatest prophet of all times”

I’m going to buy some worms, beer, and some ice for the cooler.

The scholars so many talk about today include: sufi poet Jalauddin rumi (1207-1273), abu Nuwas(762-814)al -mutannabi (915-965)nesimi(d.1417) and hakim abu al-qasim firdowsi(935-1020) who set the history of persia to verse. their writings used mostly christian, zorastrian and pagan sources. most of these scholars were far from orthodox and were actually considered heretics who were often hunted down for insulting islam (particuularly ) abu nuwas. naturally these scholars preserved classic writings and translated them, but mostly because they were considerd off limits by islam. why because human writings cant compare to Allahs word, if they contradict they are to be discarded and the writiers shunned or killed.

“The terrorists are only interested in twisting the Koran to support their views. Many scholars and Muslims are against the teachings of the haters. They do want to live in peace. What we need to do is watch out for the inciters, and reach out to our neighbors that are against violence, lest misguided anger turn more people into terrorists. I know some Muslims, they are against the terrorists and state they are not Muslim, but devils that abuse the Koran, and will burn for their efforts. ”

Like dan said above, you need to read the quran and the sunnah. I recommend another great book by a former muslim who has had to use an assumed name for obvious resons. his name is Ibn warraq and his book is “Why I am not a muslim” he is equally critical of all religions but mostly his former one. he is now an atheist.

like dan said true islam from the perspective of muhammed is the kind practice by those we are fighting now. that is orthodox islam, the islam of the clerics, the ones the moderate muslims listen to as if God were speaking through them. I know muslims who are ignorant of the true teachings and example of muhammed precisely because they are told by clerics that the true quran is the one written in arabic alone so they must recite from it alone whether they know what it means or not. One friend was shocked to hear what the quran actually says.because they are ignorant they can say islam as they practice it is peaceful and this is true, but it is not a distortion of islam to say one must kill jews or any non muslims, there are too many texts in the quran and sunnah that affirm this. muhammed killed and asked others to kill,(quran 9:5,8:12, 8:39 he takes women (whose husbands the muslims killed) as sex slaves or “marries them” the women have no choice(buhkari V4b52n143). he took many slaves (buhkari V5B59n512)and stole the booty from those he killed. if someone insulted him , he had them killed ,(quran 33:56-60,Bukhari V4B52N270)and he raped a 9 year old girl who was conveniently his “wife” (Tabari IX 131 and buhkari)

Buhkari is the most authentic hadith in sunni islam which amkes up 80 % of the worlds muslims.

yet you guys , mike and brad w, repeat the age old lies of muslim clerics who have a vested interest in keeping their people ignorant so they may use them to kill them selves for allah at the appointed time. you use the relativist approach that we are all the same in history while ignoring the great differendce between islam and all other religions, the teachings and actions of its founder. the root of ignorance is ignore. ignorance doesnt mean yoour stupid only that you refuse to know the whole truth.

I suspect that mike is either a liberal atheist or a muslim spreading the same ridiculous propaganda.

Buerg;
You should know that without the Muslum comminities, most of the great classiclal works of the Greeks, Romans and early Christian Church would have been lost to time. At a time when our european forefathers were distroying themselves with the barabaic acts of the early middle ages, it was the Muslums who libaried and saved all of the sciences, medician and classics from the dust heap of history. Now I am no lover of radicals and have done my part for our Country but learn more befor you used a broad brush. I am a practicing Christian and live two miles from what was the Trade Center along with several years in the middle east and africa wearing an American uniform. As a people, the Muslum people belong and what should be watched is any extremism that denies any others rights; CHRISTIAN, JEW, Muslum and anyothers.
Peace of Christ to all

mike you are very confused, aristotles work was saved from the ravages of the dark ages by the 5th century priest probus of antioch who introduced aristotle to the arabic speaking world.(see the book Islam by farah p.198)
the christian huneyn ibn ishaq translated many works by aristotle,,galen, plato and hippocrates into syriac which his son translated to arabic. jacobite syrian christian yahya ibn adi (893-974) translated works of philosophy into arabic and wrote the treatise “the reformation of morals” which has erroneously attributed to his muslim contemporaries.

remmeber muslim historians and clerics often refer to arabs and muslim interchangeably which accounts for why some non muslim philosophers are called muslim. there was a time when muslim culture was more advanced like in medical sciences and mathematics but none of these scientists were clerics unlike in christianity where many clerics were scientists and doctors. Muslims established the first pharmacies and wre the first to require standards of knowledge and competence from doctors and pharmacists enforced by examinations, yet advances in the medical sciences didnt come from muslims precisely because islam didnt allow for the artistic representation of the human body or inner organs and also didnt allow disections of human bodies. the christian and pagan persons were allowed to do so as such the belgian andreas vesalius 1514-1564 published thefirst accurate description of human internal organs (De humani corporis fabrica) in 1543.

even abu ja’far muhammed ibn musa al-kwarizmi, the father of modern day algebra(algorithm also is derived from his name), was not an orthodox muslim, his great works were studied in the west which helped lead to so many modern day advancements in science and technology yet those breakthroughs did not come from muslims ? why?

jafar and muslim commentators avicenna and averooes were studied extensively from the 12th century on in europe yet there wroks were largely ignored in the muslim world because the clerics, namely al ghazali 1058-1128 consigned such works to the trash heap because its proponents had the audacity to suggest that humanly revealed truths were equal to the divinely revealed ones.

this is the history of islam and you must ask yourself why it is still true today that muslim scholars of secular subjects are outside the clerical bodies whereas in christianity and other religions they are within and without? particularly from the time of al gahzali when muslims were making strides in science and philosophy , he was threatening their lives.

please try to stop pretending that you dont know the difference between taking a plane full of civilians and crashing it into a civilian building , and the bombing of military targets using military planes.

I realize you are a muslim who has been told ad nauseum that americans and israelis are trying to rid the world of the worlds only religion of peace and that we oppresses you poor victims on a regular basis, but try , at least that you have even a small modicum of common sense.

simplistic reasoning as this confirms the notion that too many muslims along with their liberal whiner cronies think with their emotions rather than their brains.

Tariq, I’d pay to see those planes over that shit pile.

Must be all that radon in your mommy’s basement? Or maybe you need to adjust that plate in your head to keep your brain synapse problem from interfering with reality.

Get your head out of your ass motherfucker. We don’t target civilians. That’s what you people do. More civilians have been killed by ali-fuckingbaba than by anyone else in this war.

Save your propaganda for Al Jazzera.

I would add, go ask the Greeks what happened to their great civilization during 500 years of Muslim occupation.
You wonder why Greeks hate Turks so much? It is because the Muslims destroyed everything in Greece while they were there. Manuscripts, temples, churches et al…
Centuries of Greek civilization was put to the torch and the people enslaved by the “Religion Of Peace”.

Incidently for the unlearned Islam means “submission”. Submit or die. Or become a serf or a slave.

Fuck Islam. Fuck you Tariq. Fuck your child-molesting prophet.

You have alot of misconceptions. “Just as Catholics, Jews, and Protestants use their holy books to control the masses, radical thinking Muslims do the same.”

That’s bullcrap. Catholics, Jews and Christians are able to read their own holy books. No one controls their congregations. Any priest, Rabbi or Pastor, that tells their congregations how to live, best know their Holy Books better than their people do, or the pastors and rabbis would be out of a job.

In the Western world, no one has a monopoly on religion. People are free to think for themselves; and to accept or reject religious teachings.

Not so in Islam. Whether you can read or not, if you are in Islam and you want to change your religion, you would be killed by one of your male relatives. They call it an “honor killing”.

Freedom and tolerance are both the stregths and the weaknesses of the west. If Islam had the same world view, their mullahs would have no power over the masses.

Your view on Jews, Catholics and Protestants, might have been true 500 years ago, but no longer.