seems the soldiers are over tired

In truth, this country has never quite experienced anything like the French collapse in 1940 or its precipitous withdrawal from Algeria in 1962

french army did win the Algeria war ; it was a referendum with a fair majority pro withdrawing which let De Gaulle to proclam the independance of Algeria though.

“Let’s take the toughest case first: the German invasion, 1940, when the French Army supposedly disgraced itself against the Wehrmacht. This is the only real evidence you’ll find to call the French cowards, and the more you know about it, the less it proves. Yeah, the French were scared of Hitler. Who wasn’t? Chamberlain, the British prime minister, all but licked the Fuhrer’s goosesteppers, basically let him have all of Central Europe, because Britain was terrified of war with Germany. Hell, Stalin signed a sweetheart deal with Hitler out of sheer terror, and Stalin wasn’t a man who scared easy.
The French were scared, all right. But they had reason to be. For starters, they’d barely begun to recover from their last little scrap with the Germans: a little squabble you might’ve heard of, called WW I.
WW I was the worst war in history to be a soldier in. WW II was worse if you were a civilian, but the trenches of WW I were five years of Hell like General Sherman never dreamed of. At the end of it a big chunk of northern France looked like the surface of the moon, only bloodier, nothing but craters and rats and entrails.
Verdun. Just that name was enough to make Frenchmen and Germans, the few who survived it, wake up yelling for years afterward. The French lost 1.5 million men out of a total population of 40 million fighting the Germans from 1914-1918. A lot of those guys died charging German machine-gun nests with bayonets. I’d really like to see one of you office smartasses joke about “surrender monkeys” with a French soldier, 1914 vintage. You’d piss your dockers.

These guys faced the Germans head on for five years, and we call them cowards? And at the end, it was the Germans, not the French, who said “calf rope.”
When the sequel war came, the French relied on their frontier fortifications and used their tanks (which were better than the Germans’, one on one) defensively. The Germans had a newer, better offensive strategy. So they won. And the French surrendered. Which was damn sensible of them.
This was the WEHRMACHT. In two years, they conquered all of Western Europe and lost only 30,000 troops in the process. That’s less than the casualties of Gettysburg. You get the picture? Nobody, no army on earth, could’ve held off the Germans under the conditions that the French faced them. The French lost because they had a long land border with Germany. The English survived because they had the English Channel between them and the Wehrmacht. When the English Army faced the Wermacht at Dunkirk, well, thanks to spin the tuck-tail-and-flee result got turned into some heroic tale of a brilliant British retreat. The fact is, even the Brits behaved like cowards in the face of the Wermacht, abandoning the French. It’s that simple.”

Gary Brecher “The Frenchs”

this guy doesn’t know history, De gaulle gave up nato as well he planed for US army going home 1962-1967

These people rate power and hatred far above the safety of a nation. There are no generals in Congress. And we as a nation cannot afford to let these hateful, contemptable swine ruin this nation with their ad nauseum lying ass agitprop.

We the people are still the ones who own this country. We do not work for Congress, they work for us. But if Congress will put their own hate-filled agenda over the security of this nation, then it is incumbent upon the people themselves to rescue this nation from the brink.

Congress and the courts have become tyrants over us. It is high time we the people, start thinking seriously about taking their power away from them.

A few lines written in 1776 are worth a re-read:

….That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness….”

We cannot afford to let this great country be destroyed by a group of foolish, marxist-leaning elitists, be they members of the demedia, the courts or Congress.

The only platform that we should be giving defeatists in the demedia, congress or the paid liars of the ACLU is a gallows. Let them utter their final words as the hangman pulls the lever and just before their evil souls drop into hell.

You cry like a girl. (no offense to the great patriotic women in here).

We and the Brits saved your country twice. You have the freedom to use such phrases as you office smartasses joke about “surrender monkeys” with a French soldier, 1914 vintage. You’d piss your dockers.” because of the blood that America and Britian shed.

Trouble is Frenchy there are no more 1914 Frenchman. They’re all dead. They have been replaced by spoiled little pussies.

And we aren’t talking about France or 1914. This ain’t about you or that wimpy coutry of yours. Go smoke some hash or something, drink some wine…don’t worry, when this war is won, it won’t be because your pussy-ass countrymen suddenly turned into 1914 Frenchman or 1941 Resistance people, it will be because once again, the baddest country on the planet crushed another tryant.

This message needs to yelled from the skyscrapers in NYC to the cafes in San Fran so that the people who parrot what the Dems are saying without giving it thought can hear it and know what their world will be if they choose withdrawal.

Somehow we need to get these very well thought through ideas into the Main Stream Propaganda Machine (MSPM).

Time to write a letter to some editors.

And I see you took my advice and are using a translator. Your English is better.

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What’s to imagine? You’re an idiot. What else is new.

Well thanks, I think. However, I enjoy arguing with Frenchy. I come from the same culture as his. So I sort of understand why he’s such an idiot. My relatives are just like him. We argue all the time…Sort of a French tradition you might say…at least in my family it is….

But unlike most of my family, I take after my Sioux ancestors, not the French ones. I love to fight.

Perhaps you would enlighten us as to your own credentials.

Just to set the record straight; I don’t think VDH even hinted that the French army was made up of cowards. Now, he may have a word or two to say about French political leadership. It is inescapable that throughout the period of the “phony war”, the French army far exceeded the Wermacht in numbers and capability. All that was lacking was the will to use it.

Regarding Algeria, and for that matter all of the European colonies, the die was cast long before the final act. The Europeans, French included, over-reached themselves with their Empires. By that I mean they could not maintain Empire and fight two internecine wars among themselves. The very idea of Empire was doomed. Neither the politians nor the war-weary populace had the will to maintain the status quo. But the vacum left by collapsing Empires set the stage for disaster–for millions of native peoples.

Of course being a Francophile you think EVERYTHING is about the French, so you did not even notice that VDH also refers to the bloodbath in India-Pakistan as the British Empire collapsed.

Where did you dream up that trash about France giving us NATO? You destroyed any credibility you may have had with that one statement. Ask yourself these basic questions; who benefitted from the creation of NATO? Who maintained hundereds of thousands of troops on foreign soil; dozens of airwings; and and a standing fleet in Europe to insure that NATO was viable? Do you think it was France’s minor league nuclear capability that deterred the Russians for a minute? DeGaulle took the French out of NATO militarily because he could not be the dominant figure. But, he was still hiding behind the American shield. DeGaulle may have been a pompous ass, but no one ever said he wasn’t clever–and devious.

Step away from the comic books and pick up a history book.

Robert, don’t worry, here, every single jihadist is under big brother glance, that’what you don’t know how to manage without big guns

Oldflyer, seriouly, I wasn’t arguing about VDH intentions, just making some developments on his quotations

as far as Nato is concerned, here is a link you could use a translator (as kindly suggested by my “compatriot” Dan )

http://www.charles-de-gaulle.org/article.php3?id_article=113

See your problem is that you think that this is all some kind of video game. It isn’t. You’re perfect Dhimi material for the Jihadists. And you’ll be the first person to give the Jihadis your national salute…both hands in the air.

Face it Frenchy, you people make great and wine and cheese, but you aren’t any good at anything else.

There is no fight left in you French. You are cowards. If you had any real guts, you’d fight the Jihadis instead of plying them with nice words.

We don’t have that problem here. But you go ahead and spew your socialist propaganda and run your mouth.

The day is comming when you will have to fight or surrender to the Jihadis. And I’m betting you’ll become like your Belgun cousins: collaborators and pussies.

I do like arguing with your sorry ass. It reminds me of home.

Patton said of the French: “I would rather have the Germans in front of me than the French behind me.” Patton knew that De Gaulle was just another cheese-eating back stabber. Kind of like Frenchy is.

you are ignorating all the underground help though with renseignments ;and if our army isn’t showing off in Irak, that doesn’t mean she is not operating in places in agreement with our both governments.

as far gratefulness :

http://www.ambafrance-us.org/news/statmnts/2007/omaha-beach_2007.asp

hey, dDanny, speak for yourself whar are you doing for your country behind your computer ?

I talk on my computer shit for brains, because you ain’t in front of me. Unlike you cheese-boy, I already served my country. So yes, I speak for myself amd many of my comrades.

Unlike you we have balls enough to stand up and defend our nation. You on the other hand, like to talk from the safety of your computer.

And you aren’t the return of any Shwartzenager character.
(Folks, that’s what he really thinks he is)

You’ll never be more than another girlie-man french boy.

And unlike you chump, I’m an American first and a frenchman last. I don’t care for the French. I grew up with them. They’re a bunch spoiled, soft, elitist ingrates. Just like you are. They fight like sissies.

And why do you bother to come here anyways? You have nothing in common with us. You have the balls of a chicken and the mouth of a Parisian or a Belgan?

In short, you’re nothing but a fly with shit in its mouth.
So go hang out with your collaborator friends. You don’t belong here.

PS If you are ever in America, feel free to look me up. I can cuss and fight in French just as well as I can in English. But unlike most of my relatives, I don’t take knives to gun fights. Get my drift?

So I was right you are a liitle chickenshit. And your English still sucks. Try it in French.

Vous voulez me combattre ou êtes-vous êtes-vous un lâche ?

Where does calling down curses come in to play? What the fuck are you talking about peasant?

I didn’t call curses down on you. I just picked a fight with your garlic-eating ass.

You really should go back to your video games and your Arnold movies. You’ll be safer there.At least until the Muslims take over your country.

No go back to your mother’s basement little man, maybe if you are real good she’ll let you suck her tit and give you some milk and cookies before she tucks you in.

And right you are. Good summation. The French just aren’t very good at combat. They got the foreign legion to do their fighting for them. Now those guys are really good. I’d be more than happy to have legionaires fighting and watching my flanks. But the rest of the French army?

Well, a buddy of mine was a Battalion Commander in Europe and he said that the French never bathed, and smelled like garlic all the time. And they did not put up with hardship in the field as good as the US, Brits and Germans could.

His biggest worry was that the Soviets would invade Berlin and he would have to rely on French troops to defend their sector, which he was sure they were incapable of doing.

Patton knew the French well. Aside from the resistance, they weren’t very good. But once we punched into Germany, the French got their confidence up and started treating German citizens they way Germans had treated them. If one French soldier was killed by a sniper. The French would shoot 100 civilians.

I like the idea. But it was the Brits, Canadians, and the US that bore the brunt of the fighting at D-Day, the hedgerows, and every battle in betwwen all the way to the Elbe.

We helped them in Indochina also. We gave them assistance in Algeria, and in Lebanon. And they spit in our faces?

Like I said, they are elitist ingrates. No doubt we’ll have to pull their asses out of the fire again, if the Muslims try and take over France and the low countries.

And no doubt 50 years from hence, they will go back to their video games, their nice warm homes and forget what freedom costs.

And more crosses and stars of david will dot their landscape, while the bones of American, British and Canadian heroes are buried and forgotten.

Hey, but what can one expect from a bunch of spoiled brats? Especially brats that don’t know their own history such as Frenchy.

You can’t teach left-wing socialists anything. Those kind of idiots can only learn when their freedom is taken away from them. It is happening, slowly but surely, one day soon, Frenchy will be paying the jigya while serving as the slave to his Muslim masters.

TK, try some continental books instead of your anglo-saxon ones, did we ever read something fair coming out of them ?

Once again, a sound analysis. The left in this country doesn’t have a clue…much less the MSM. There is no cognitive reasoning going on in the left. They are out for spite and that’s all. They have to be defeated at all cost.

causes toujours, tu m’intéresses

causes always, you interest me ?
Well good…

You must be the world’s most dedicated Gaullist and Francophile; or else you are the most gullible person in the world.

You probably believe that deGaulle actually led the drive to liberate Paris; after all I am sure you have framed photos of his triumph. Perhaps you will notice how clean the uniforms of the French soldiers are. Of course the Yanks didn’t bring their parade uniforms when they went to France.

Excuse me, I am laughing so hard I am in danger of wetting my britches.

The old man was stopped by French bureaucrats at deGaulle airport. They demanded his visa; but he said he did not have one. “How can you be so stupid to think that an American can enter France without a visa?”, barked the official. Have you never been to France?

I was here once before, answered the aging American, but there was no one on the beach at Normandy but Germans, and they did not tell me I needed a visa.

I like the visa line. That was good. France is one fucked up country, we should have let the Germans keep it.

we have seen personally with this war the effect of panzy politicians on the morale and welfare of ones military. Those who win wars are those who believe in it the most, and who will willing die to secure that victory. this war as any other is a battle of wills. time limits, benchmarks etc are the tools of the cowards. when is the last time you heard alqaeda issuing benchmarks for victory.

their only bench mark is from the quran ” Kill all who dibelieve until the only religion is Islam” Any questions?

So you go ahead and throw your elitist crap around. We’ll just keep making fun of you…and laughing at you…you pathethic Belgun frog.

well I am not pretending to pass a degree with my “broken english” though ; some may appreciate it that way, some with the best will of the world will never, so, who cares ! Mr Boss seems to get amused with it

The French people will always be portrayed as cowards when they do not stand up for what is RIGHT and standing up for what is WRONG. (example)

Not letting us fly over their country to smack that bitch Momar Quadifi…..WORNG

Electing Sarkosy as President ……RIGHT

Giving a safe haven for that murderous thug Yasser Arafat…..WORNG

Not standing up to those car burning Muslim punks….WRONG

Not helping us in Iraq….WORNG

Taking a stand for decency and humanity……RIGHT

I hope you are seing a pattern, if not take a deep breath and try again, but hurry you have to make a decision soon. “hmmmmmmmmm should I fight for what is right or should I lay down to Alah and wait for my head to come off”

helping Bin Laden, right ? not meaning Harafat was better

you could have avoid Irak becoming this big mess, if your government had been a bit wiser and listen to experimented countries on this kind of conflicts ; it’s not the army fault anyway ; it was ignorance of how these ME countries react that your administration missed

I bet punk riots are an epiphenomenal fact comparing to what is on your big cities