New Yorker: CIA Too Hard On Al Qaeda
To Leftists, the rights of terrorists outweigh the rights of Americans. The New Yorker complains that the CIA is too hard on Al Qaeda by calling the interrogation of Khalid Sheik Mohammed “abuse”.
CBS on the New Yorker article: The Central Intelligence Agency used “enhanced interrogation techniques” synonymous with torture while interrogating September 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, according to a New Yorker article that appears on newsstands Monday.
After Mohammed’s capture … in Pakistan in 2003, the CIA detained him at one of several secret overseas prisons, known as “black sites,” and subjected him to unusually harsh treatment, according to the article.
It was under these interrogation methods that Mohammed confessed to 31 criminal plots, including the murder of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl, who was captured in 2002 in Pakistan and beheaded, Jane Mayer reports in the New Yorker.
Mohammed’s interrogation was part of a fine-tuned CIA protocol of psychological coercion against al Qaeda figures, according to sources familiar with an International Red Cross report, Mayer writes.
“The Red Cross went in and got to interview these people for the first time,” said Mayer on the CBS Evening News. “What these people described was hanging from the ceilings by their arms and being water-boarded, partially drowned, put on leashes and knocked into walls and basically deprived of all kinds of sensory imagery for years.”
At a hearing in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, Mohammed said his testimony was freely given, Mayer adds, but he also said that he had been abused by the CIA.
“He was certainly coerced,” Mayer told Russ Mitchell on Sunday. “These were certainly very coercive techniques. The problem with them is that you can’t really tell what’s reliable, what’s the truth, what’s not after somebody has been through these things.”
Mayer’s article further described the CIA program of physical and psychological abuse as completely regimented and deliberate.
“There have always been mistakes made in the past when prisoners have been abused in wars,” Mayer told Mitchell. “But this is the first time it’s been done on purpose.”
The program was suspended last fall, following a Supreme Court ruling, Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, which ruled that all U.S. detainees must be treated in a manner consisted with the Geneva Conventions.
In an E-mail to CBS News the CIA responded that the article “recycles old allegations” and concluded by saying “the United States does not conduct or condone torture.”
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It can be torture to be so dam fat. Quite your whinning.
August 6th, 2007 at 2:51 amQuite should quit, but, I’m sure you knew that.
August 6th, 2007 at 2:53 amHey Dollards,
Anyone care to guess how long the fat vagina lasted when water boarded, his fat ass started to give it up….anyone, anyone….Bueller? Bueller??
2.5 minutes,
August 6th, 2007 at 3:06 amWell thank God we can count on the liberals to fight for the rights of the terrorists! Say,…tell me again who’s fighting for the rights of their victims? Oh yeah,…the US military. I saw this chick on TV yesterday, she is a total lefty moonbat!
August 6th, 2007 at 3:25 amok people, lets here it from the top
August 6th, 2007 at 3:25 amThese scum that have been captured are the same ones that would decapitate you and all your loved ones, or detonate a dirty or total nuculear bomb in a western city to kill as many kufrs as possible.
There isnt any torture that is horrendus enough if used to extract intel.
Interesting that the perp has no memory of the tort, all made up no doubt.
It is sickening to see the left pontificating on the reality of intel collection. Id be willing to bet they would do the same if a family member or “partner” was beheaded by these fks.
Trouble is they live in a total cocoon of their own making oblivious to the reality of the outside world.
“We cant do that its torture” “We are torturing the innocent brown people” ” we are the terrorists”" if we didnt do this they wouldnt attack us”
Sickening.
Welcome back rummy, your a fully fledged devildog now or do you have to fire a gun in anger first.Gofspeed to you and keep safe on deployment. Everyone here is backing you.
Why do they always stick up for the terrorists?? Where were they when al-Q was gleefully decapitating children/executing U.S. soldiers/holding sgt. keith maupin captive/etc.??
August 6th, 2007 at 3:28 amThey’re not prepared to do what is necessary..and they want to take us down with them. **** the left..
-Ghost
August 6th, 2007 at 3:33 amWhile I am not in favor of torture, other than their word, was there any evidence that they had been abused
I do not want to be an advocate for torture, but it is okay to be a little harsh on people like them. I have littlem sympathy for people like them. 
August 6th, 2007 at 3:48 amlol..he endured 2.5 minutes of torture, poor bastard..how about taking his koran away for a year and replace it with the good book..how about everytime he takes a shit they let the pigs in to clean up..how about they shave his head and beard and make him listen to Billy Graham for an hour every 4 hours
August 6th, 2007 at 4:40 amUhh.., we were/are tough and quite rough on a gang of people who are trying to kill my kids and your kids too.
Can somebody please tell me where the “I don’t give a fiddly fuck” key is on this keyboard?
August 6th, 2007 at 5:20 amWas poor little terrorist man tortured? Didn’t enjoy his water ride eh?
Look this is easy, revive General Order 100, which defines what should be done with terrorists and all those who do not wear uniforms while engaged in a war against US troops.
Even the Geneva Convention has laws against sabatours. In WWII, all sabatours were shot, by all sides.
When are we going to get our shit together again, and tell the Koskids, tree-huggers, hippies, leftists, socialists, and the fucking Supreme Court to go to hell.
August 6th, 2007 at 6:47 amIt must be aweful to feel so guilty for being free and properous. The fact is these left wing loons have no real idea what things are like in the real world. They hate everything that made this nation great…simply because those things made it great. They feel guilty because people live is ass backwards countries by a back asswards code of ethics and a warped sense of honor.
To the average Left wing elitest using a raised voice is tantamount to torture.
August 6th, 2007 at 8:57 amWell, sounds to me like the little turd fuckers can’t handle it. How many of our military POW guys in Vietnam sang under REAL horrific torture and starvation? Though I am not a McCain fan, I give the guy every respect for what he went through all those years he was a POW … and ALL POWs deserve my respect (even if they broke under those conditions), as our people have NEVER been/are NOT now/ and NEVER will be treated humanely … no matter how fucking good we treat prisoners we take.
This is real war, baby, with a real enemy … If you can’t stomach it, go shoot up smack. Just get the fuck out of the way.
The quote: “People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.” - George Orwell … is often cited.
Here’s another:
“All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.” - George Orwell
August 6th, 2007 at 9:47 amWhah-whah-whah…oh, they don’t use velvet gloves and strike them gently with feathers when they interrogate? Really? This is such news! So surprising! The lowlife Mayer who wrote the article is a card carrying hard leftist. She has plenty of misstatements in her article, but the NYer and MSM doesn’t call her on it.
August 6th, 2007 at 10:30 amThe NYer gives her a platform. Who reads the NYer? No one. But the MSM will re-report on the article, give it creedence, like it’s news. They suck. She is a dirt bag, always writing articles/books to try to discredit someone or something she doesn’t agree with. Why doesn’t she write a book about Bill Clinton’s history of rape and constant sexual harrassment and cheating with any women within 3 feet of him? Isn’t that a liberal issue? And what about Billary’s tolerance of it? How about a psychological analysis of that?
Would anyone here really mind another “Hardhat Riot” against these fifth columnists, a la 1970?
August 6th, 2007 at 11:15 amI really could care less if we torture the terrorists. In that, I doubt these terror assholes gave a shit about how Daniel Pearl or the countless others felt as they were sawing their heads off with a friggin bread knife… pulling off their finger nails… etc. At least we use torture to interrogate and get intel that can save lives. Unlike them who torture for the sake of torturing.
Harsh interrogation methods have been in place forever. The theory in my head is any prisioner released is another person we must battle against later. It’s not as though we release them and they decide since we treated them with such respect and fed them well, they will forget their entire life-long jihad belief system and act as some peace ambassador. Give me a fuggin break! Torture and terror is all they understand.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:17 amThe Sheepdogs
Most humans are truly like sheep
Wanting nothing more than peace to keep
To graze, grow fat and raise their young,
Sweet taste of clover on their tongue.
Their lives serene upon Life’s farm,
They sense no threat nor fear no harm.
On verdant meadows, they forage free
With naught to fear, with naught to flee.
They pay their sheepdogs little heed
For there is no threat, there is no need.
To the flock, sheepdogs are mysteries,
Roaming watchful round the peripheries.
They fang-toothed creatures bark, they roar
With the fetid reek of the carnivore,
Too like the wolf of legends told,
To be amongst our docile fold.
Who needs the sheepdogs? What good are they?
They have no use, not in this day.
Lock them away, out of our sight
We have no need of their fierce might.
But sudden in their midst, a beast
Has come to kill, has come to feast
They wolves attack; they give no warning
Upon that calm September morning
They slash and kill with frenzied glee
Their passive helpless enemy
Who had no clue the wolves were there
Far roaming from their Eastern lair.
Then from the carnage, from the rout,
Comes the cry, “Turn the sheepdogs out!”
Thus it is our nature, but too our plight,
August 6th, 2007 at 2:59 pmTo keep our dogs on leashes tight
And live a life of illusive bliss
Hearing not the beast, his growl, his hiss.
Until he has us by the throat,
We pay no heed; we take no note.
Not until he strikes at our core
Will we unleash the Dogs of War.
Only having felt the wolf pack’s wrath,
Do we loose the sheepdogs on its path.
And the wolves will learn what we’ve shown before;
We love our sheep, we Dogs of War.
Author: Russ Vaughn, 2d Bn, 327th Parachute Infantry Regiment
101st Airborne Div, Vietnam 65-66
Keeping things in perspective.
August 6th, 2007 at 5:40 pmThe hell with the lives of the rest of America.
The important issue to Jane Mayer is that her pulitzer dreams are kept alive.
Mayer’s family - She is a daughter of William and Meredith Mayer of New York. Her father is a composer in New York. Her mother, a painter and printmaker, is the president of the Manhattan Graphics Center in New York. She is a granddaughter of the late Allan Nevins, the historian who won two Pulitzer Prizes and was a founder of American Heritage magazine. She is a great-great-granddaughter of Emanuel Lehman, a founder of Lehman Brothers.
Just your typical out-of-touch, tea hosting, spoiled demediabrat with a silver spoon stuck up her ass.
I can only imagine that after growing up and living the high life in that pretentious, self-absorbed world even terrorists seem like good guys to her.
That’s Beautiful.
August 6th, 2007 at 6:39 pmI just love that after all his posturing, that fat sack of shit sang like a little bitch the first time they dunked his head in some water. Hell, if thats torture I’ve suffered worse torture being “dunked” by hot girls in the swimming pool back in my youth.
August 6th, 2007 at 8:00 pmWhy don’t people just take a look at what Andy McNabb went through during his “vacation” in Iraq in GW1.
August 6th, 2007 at 8:01 pmTHE CIA IS HARD ON AL QAEDA! Somebody has got to help me understand the down side because I find the story very inspiring. Its good to know there’s a part of the American government that is taking care of its people besides the military.
August 6th, 2007 at 10:42 pmDo leftists ever stop being such cretins?
August 7th, 2007 at 9:25 pm