I Hate All Iranians
Debra Cagan
Daily Mail:
I hate all Iranians, US aide tells MPs
Britsh MPs visiting the Pentagon to discuss America’s stance on Iran and Iraq were shocked to be told by one of President Bush’s senior women officials: “I hate all Iranians.”
And she also accused Britain of “dismantling” the Anglo-US-led coalition in Iraq by pulling troops out of Basra too soon.
The all-party group of MPs say Debra Cagan, Deputy Assistant Secretary for Coalition Affairs to Defence Secretary Robert Gates, made the comments this month.
The six MPs were taken aback by the hardline approach of the Pentagon and in particular Ms Cagan, one of Mr Bush’s foreign policy advisers.
She made it clear that although the US had no plans to attack Iran, it did not rule out doing so if the Iranians ignored warnings not to develop a nuclear bomb.
It was her tone when they met her on September 11 that shocked them most.
The MPs say that at one point she said: “In any case, I hate all Iranians.”
Although it was an aside, it was not out of keeping with her general demeanour.
“She seemed more keen on saying she didn’t like Iranians than that the US had no plans to attack Iran,” said one MP. “She did say there were no plans for an attack but the tone did not fit the words.”
Another MP said: “I formed the impression that some in America are looking for an excuse to attack Iran. It was very alarming.”
Tory Stuart Graham, who was on the ten-day trip, would not discuss Ms Cagan but said: “It was very sobering to hear from the horse’s mouth how the US sees the situation.”
Ms Cagan, whose job involves keeping the coalition in Iraq together, also criticised Britain for pulling out troops.
“She said if we leave the south of Iraq, the Iranians will take it over,” said one MP.
Another said: “She is very forceful and some of my colleagues were intimidated by her muscular style.”
The MPs also saw Henry Worcester, Deputy Director of the Office of Iranian Affairs, who said he favoured talks with Iran.
The Pentagon denied Ms Cagan said she “hated” Iranians.
“She doesn’t speak that way,” said an official.
But when The Mail on Sunday spoke to four of the six MPs, three confirmed privately that she made the remark and one declined to comment. The other two could not be contacted.
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How did these guys once rule the planet? Oh yeah, all of the braves were wasted in WW1 and/or WW2. As soon as the Germans surrendered they voted Churchill out of office and elected the Nanny-State socialists.
Bad picture of Debra, but her tone is exactly correct for a country at war. What the hell are the British doing?
September 30th, 2007 at 2:08 pmI thought it was a drag queen
September 30th, 2007 at 2:24 pmThe woman obviously has more moxy than any man in that room. Fuck Iran. You tell ‘em kid…
September 30th, 2007 at 2:46 pmI hate ALL Iranians? You mean the people that love Americans and were the only Middle Easterners that took to the streets to mourn 9-11? Even those Iranians. What a freakin’ idiot. How do these people get positions of influence?
September 30th, 2007 at 2:57 pm“She is very forceful and some of my colleagues were intimidated by her muscular style.”
And all the “Public Schoolboys” got semis thinking of a sharp caning at her flat later.
Poor feminized Briton.
September 30th, 2007 at 3:09 pmFrom a political and propaganda standpoint, it would’ve been better if she just swallowed her own comments before making them. Regarding the british pulling out too soon (etc..), the comments are so true..
September 30th, 2007 at 3:10 pmKipp:
“How do these people get positions of influence?” Because they have more guts than pussies like you. Go on back to your mommy’s basement where you belong shitbird.
September 30th, 2007 at 3:25 pmKipp,
You eiter naive, iranian, or a jihadi sympathiser.
if you think for one moment that any iranian took to the street to “mourn 9-11″ in a country ruled by religous oligarchs, who stone people to death for routine infractions, who blindly adhere to Islamic law, who foment violence in other countries via proxy armies, you are a stupid douche.
September 30th, 2007 at 4:07 pmWhy doesn’t anyone get bothered when Iranians stomp on U.S. flags and chant, Death to America!
Are these Iranians suppose to be loved? Ew?
September 30th, 2007 at 4:23 pmJim Jam:
Kippy-boy is a member of that soft jihad of useless idiots.
They are Judas Iscariots-in-waiting. Too chickenshit to fight for their own country and traitor enough to sell out to the jihadis doing quital; who probably believes he is fulfilling his destiny only when he is tearing down the country, its traditional values and symbols.
He’s a chip off of Soros’ backside. Licking his ass as usual.
September 30th, 2007 at 5:05 pmThis is waht Kipp is referring to:
Several dozen Iranians hold a candlelight vigil for the victims of 9/11 in a public square in Tehran, ignoring police orders to disperse. [ap.Sep.13.2001]
Several dozen Iranians? That’s laughable. Not exactly a huge turnout, nor does it make me believe that they represent anything but a tiny minority of Iranians.
September 30th, 2007 at 5:28 pmthe iranians too to the streets to mourn 9/11? Kippy who is being naive?
September 30th, 2007 at 5:32 pm“oops, did I say that out loud”
September 30th, 2007 at 6:22 pmDrag queen or not, I want to make out with and do naughty things to Debra, all in the name of Liberty AKA “ANTIAHMEDINDAYATOLLIRANISM” or Persian Fascism for short.
September 30th, 2007 at 6:55 pmAt this point I would have trouble beleiving anything a group of British MPs’s said. In most respects the current crop are cut from the same cloth as the democrat party.
That photo of Ms. Cagan is not the most complementary, I love the red leather but the rest looks as though some photoshoping was done.
September 30th, 2007 at 7:09 pmDan, TJ and Jim Jam,
If you don’t know that Iranians had a candle light vigil for the victims of 9-11 then you are idiots, or just live in a bubble. If you don’t know when you travel to Iran the Iranian citizens adore Americans then you don’t know crap about Iran. (An amazing fact since the US brought down the democratically elected government in ‘53 and then supported the Shah who was a horrible dictator.)
For an official to say she hates all Iranians is egregious and she should be fired immediately. Now if she said she hates the Islamic regime in Iran then we are in accord. Jihadi sympathizer?! Freakin moron. Go do some research before you start typing, if you know how to do research. I’m so sick of idiots like you blowhards who see everything in black and white. All Iranians are evil, kill em all. As soon as the Islamic Regime comes down you will see the good side of Iran…and will see that it is pure stupid to say “I hate all Iranians”.
September 30th, 2007 at 7:22 pmKipp:
Hey stupid, a few dozen Iranians holding a vigil means nothing. That vigil represented the views of a few dozen Iranians…and whose to say that they weren’t holding that vigil for the terrorists who flew those planes? You sure as hell don’t fucking know…Just like you IGNOR the words of the dictator of Iran and his apostate Shia leadership.
You better study the issue some more…rather than sounding like a fucking jihadi apologist all the time who doesn’t know shit about Islam, the Koran or the Hadith or Iran as it is today.
You’re a useful idiot Judas. Nothing more, nothing less.
September 30th, 2007 at 7:46 pmI don’t ignore the words of the Iranian government. I have a good friend who is an Iranian refuge. I know more about it than you do. And I know more about Islam and the Hadiths than you will ever know. I lived two years in Yemen. Talk to people who have travelled in Iran. They will tell you how receptive they are to Americans. This may all change if we have people like Cagan spouting off ignorance. Maybe you two should spend time together. Make sure it is in a dark room so your ignorance will not reach the light of day.
September 30th, 2007 at 8:11 pmmy gosh, kipp has said nothing wrong, lay the hell off!
September 30th, 2007 at 8:37 pmAnother attemped smear….
September 30th, 2007 at 8:43 pmAnother MP said: “I formed the impression that some in America are looking for an excuse to attack Iran. It was very alarming.”
An excuse? Gee I thought we already had one. I seem to remember our Embassy being stormed and our people held against the rules of foreign diplomacy, which in and of itself is an act of war. And by none other than the little revolutionary, Mr. Ahmadinajed, and his band of fundamentalist students. So, if you ask me we still owe the little bastard. You want your reason, well there is your reason you limey twit. Just because a few years have passed doesn’t mean we have forgotten. As far as I’m concerned there is no statute of limitations to correct the inadequacies of the Carter administration. Funny how things come full circle.
September 30th, 2007 at 9:36 pmIf it’s true, sounds like she stuck her foot in her mouth. “Hey, Debra: what about those sanctions–can you send a memo or shoot off your big mouth to someone over at State or Treasury or whereever it is to freeze the Iranian assets of those 50 people/entities that were supposed to have been frozen in the last round of sanctions? You guys didn’t seem to have gotten to it yet. It seems like you should back up your threats and policies with actual action.”
September 30th, 2007 at 11:01 pmOh, also, Cagan was a career State Dept. person–she was there in a fairly significant job when Clinton was Pres in the early 90’s. From there, she went to Defense Dept. So, she wasn’t a Bush accolyte. She certainly didn’t learn diplomacy at State, or she didn’t retain it…
September 30th, 2007 at 11:13 pmits a man baby
October 1st, 2007 at 1:38 amKipp:
Wow…Kipp has an Iranian friend…And you still don’t know shit fucktard….I got Iranian, Pakistani and Pashtun friends stupid…And they all hate the hajis…and they all look forward to the end of the Iranian government…amoung others.
Not impressed buckwheat. And I hate all Iranians too. And all “progressives” and any other Muslim apologists like you.
And I ain’t going to lay off.
October 1st, 2007 at 3:03 amDan,
Wow. OK. Scary.
October 1st, 2007 at 6:28 amKipp,
With your misguided rhetoric you would make a great reporter for the MSM, or a campaign manager for pelosi or Kuchinich - either job an improvement on the one you have now, no doubt.
Clearly your pathetic intellect cannot grasp the situation. Having an iranian boyfriend does not make you an expert on anything other than mustache rides.
How, for example, do you think that an elected regime of oppression “will come down?” How can you think that a country that elects and continues to support a madman for president is supportive of the US?
How can you defend a country who manufactures explosives that are used against American troops? But i guess those who make the bombs and train the terrorits are part of the “minority” in the country that don’t love America?
October 1st, 2007 at 6:41 amLiving in yemen and having an iranian boyfriend is a pretty poor self-sealing argument. So are ad hominem attacks. Its funny how you cling to your belief that a handful Iranians mourned 9-11 and therefore the whole country is peaceful and friendly? Your logic is flawed. Your writing betrays a poorly educated mongrel dimwit typing at his keyboard with 2 fingers. When you wise up perhaps then we can have an intellectual discussion.
Actually, given what you have already written, that will never happen. Go back to your boyfriend and spoon somemore, jihadi apologist.
Jim Jam,
As many times as you mentioned boyfriend it seems like you may have some latent homosexual feelings. It is ok, I’ll let YOU come out of the closet. Were you one of the people before the Iraq war that said you hate all Iraqis? Should the US make the Iranian leadership pay for supplying terrorists in Iraq? Yes. Should the US be responsible for toppling every country whose leadership we deem dangerous? No. I can still type better with two fingers than you can think with half a brain.
October 1st, 2007 at 8:25 amI hate all Iranians too. Even the pro-American ones. Eventually they’ll find some reason to bitch about us after we come save there ass from a lifetime of oppression. Stupid fucking desert monkeys. FUCK THEM ALL. Let them develop a nuke, and when they go to test it, strike them with a tactical nuke of our own so it looks like the test had an “accident”.
October 1st, 2007 at 11:36 am“I hate all Iranians” is a really stupid comment to make. I would hope someone that high up in the government is more intelligent than that.
She hasn’t met all Iranians, how can she “hate” them. There are very few people I truly “hate”, I would kill out of necessity but likely I wouldn’t even hate the person I killed. I think I pity Iranians more than I “hate” them.
I am all for attacking Iran, using surgical air strikes, and fomenting a revolution. We don’t have the troops to invade and there are lots of pro-western people in Iran. Remember it was only 1 student in Tienamen square. A few dozen people turning out for a candle light vigil in Iran is something pretty significant. I think each one of them represents at least a hundred too scared to come out and a thousand who think similarly.
Taking out the Iranian Regime is smart. Hating Ahmedinijad is warranted. But even hating every member of their military is stupid, how many low level guys are pressed into service? What if a high level official hated every Iraqi, a lot of good that would do.
Comon guys, pull your heads out of your asses, your making conservatives look like idiots.
October 1st, 2007 at 12:39 pmKipp,
Claiming to understand Mid East geopolitics b/c you have a friend who is iranian???!!! - Do you realize how stupid you sound?
Claiming the whole iranian nation is sympathetic to us b/c a dozen lit candles for 9-11???!!! - Do you realise how ignorant you sound??
I don’t care that you are uneducated. It doesn’t bother me that you possess no intellect or higher thinking skills. I
don’t even care that you aren’t well read, or possess any dignity or class.
But i do care that you live in my country - maybe you should move to iran and see how great it is?
Go back to your desk job at MoveON.org, troll.
October 1st, 2007 at 12:40 pmDan,
your a moron.
You said you have Iranian friends too and you hate all Iranians in the same sentence. You are really stupid.
October 1st, 2007 at 12:40 pmD-Mac,
I think what Dan means is that he hates all iranians who support their current evil regime.
As for your comment about a candle light vigil - during 9-11, Rafsanjani was the president. He was neither as evil as ama-douche-ajad nor as oppressive THOUGH he remains a religious oligarch to this day. THUS, the candle light vigil was neither as dramatic nor as significant as you hope.
October 1st, 2007 at 2:00 pmI believe there are good people in Iran but i also believe that the majority of the people (and soldiers) enable their leader’s desire to kill and repress, by being his willing executioners and supporters.
I get what your saying Him-Jam, I just think that until we have about 1 million infantry we need to start fighting smarter, not harder.
We just don’t have enough troops to cover every street corner from Syria to Pakistan. We need to be smart, we need to get good at COIN ops and Psy ops, and we neet to get people to our side. Every day we remain in Iraq our forces get weaker and Iran takes that time to act against us with impunity. I am NOT saying we withdraw before the job is done. But the sooner the job is done we can get our troops after the next target. An official with an attitude of “I hate every ____” is a pretty stupid attitude that won’t get us where we want to go. We need to Win, not beat the enemy, sometimes these two concepts are not the same. A high enemy casualty count in a battle can be a good or a bad thing depending on who you kill. You have to be careful to always win people over while killing the right enemies. Collateral damage bites you in the ass in the form of another IED maker out there avenging his dead brother/mother/sister etc.
Fight Smarter not Harder. Until we get that elusive larger military we need.
“Beware the 12-division strategy for a 10-division Army.”
-Gen. Eric K. Shinseki
October 1st, 2007 at 2:37 pmJim Jam,
If it were just one friend that I had then you would be correct. Your perception is only as deep as your intellect. I speak Arabic as a second language after spending two years in Yemen, I frequently teach Arabic society and Islam to Bible groups and I know dozens of Arabs. In Yemen I taught at an all Arab school. As far as my education is concerned, I’m pretty sure I have as much as you. You are the one suggesting I’m gay so don’t tell me about dignity or class. Finally, I love my country enough that I wish that it never falls into the hands of people like you.
You need to listen to people like DMac. All he has said is dead on.
October 1st, 2007 at 4:48 pmDmac,
I am with you
October 1st, 2007 at 11:37 pmD-Mac,
Your points are well made. Blanket statements of hate by gov’t officials, like Deb Cagan, are counterproductive. Moreover, they limit those foreign allies who will take us seriously b/c their credibility is at stake when they associate themselves with us in light of such comments.
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:46 ami also agree that with your assessment: “fight smarter not harder.” BUT, as Rumsy-D said, you gotta fight with what you have, not what you wish you had. We don’t have mandatory military service and until we do having a 1M man army will never materialize. That is why we need to use our technological superiority, maintain our nuclear deterrancy, bolster our strong intelligence community, and coalition of allies, amongst other factors, to supplement the army we have.
Bottom line, something has to be done to prevent rogue leaders, with dreams of the afterlife, from gaining nuclear weapons. How and when is another quesion.
Kipp,
Looks like I struck a nerve calling you out!!! I don’t care that you are gay, but at least admit it to yourself.
October 2nd, 2007 at 5:57 amBattle lines have been drawn and its clear you are standing on the wrong side of the fence, H-mo.
Jiz Jam,
After reading your post to DMac you seem like a flip flopper. Make up your mind. Do we hate all Iranians or do we not hate all Iranians?
Your posts are boring and intellectually weak and you still seem to have a fascination with being gay so maybe Jiz Jam would be a more suitable moniker. Keep trying though.
October 2nd, 2007 at 6:36 amjelly jam : prout !
October 2nd, 2007 at 7:16 amKipp you really are a stupid douche.
Your poor, toothless, whore mother just came over begging for a BJ.
I had to smack her around until she left….the filthy slut!!
October 2nd, 2007 at 8:42 amI guess I am the one who struck a nerve, now. See how easy that is to do on simpletons…and I did it without cussing? Now that is the work of an artiste.
October 2nd, 2007 at 9:05 amD Mac:
I don’t think so D Mac…I’ll say it again. I fucking hate the Iranians. I got many friends from that part of the world and I never turn my back on them. Cause I trust none of them. The closer these people get to Muhammed, the closer they get to OBL. So I hate the motherfuckers. Better to get over that now…Before the big war starts.
If that bothers you…that’s just tough.
Kipp:
Yeah you’re the simplist of them all Judas or is it Komrade Moonbat. Pull up your diaper little boy.
October 2nd, 2007 at 11:13 amJim Jam:
I think you pissed off the little Kipster. Nice job. Have a beer
Don’t worry though. He’ll go home to his mommy, and she’ll tell him “he’s special” and give him some milk and cookies before bed time. 
October 2nd, 2007 at 11:24 amNaa, silly loonies like you two don’t make me angry. IF you had sane thoughts and then said this, then maybe. And I will always take free milk and cookies before bedtime. But the mama I got would spoil you bedwetters!!!!
October 2nd, 2007 at 11:47 am“I don’t think so D Mac…I’ll say it again. I fucking hate the Iranians. I got many friends from that part of the world and I never turn my back on them.”
If you have friends that you can’t turn your back on, are they “friends”? And “that part of the world” means Arabs, Persians, Boogeymen? Brilliant prose.
October 2nd, 2007 at 12:07 pm“Your posts are boring and intellectually weak…”
And when will your stimulating intellectual acumen turn up? No evidence so far…
“And I will always take free milk and cookies before bedtime. But the mama I got would spoil you bedwetters!!!!”
Oops sorry…there it is.
October 2nd, 2007 at 12:16 pm“jelly jam : prout !”
but look at the bright side, at least you’ve got obelix/asterix on your side.
October 2nd, 2007 at 12:18 pmat least I chose the lighter for the argumentation
October 2nd, 2007 at 12:53 pmfunny, my posts keep on disappearing
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October 2nd, 2007 at 12:56 pmbut look at the bright side, at least you’ve got obelix/asterix on your side.
I prefer the lighter for the argumentation
October 2nd, 2007 at 12:58 pmbut look at the bright side, at least you’ve got obelix/asterix on your side.
asterix suits me better for the weight of the argumentation though
October 2nd, 2007 at 1:05 pmKippy-boy:
Ah,,,is the little Kippie momma’s boy trying to sound intelligent again? You really ought to go back to your traitor buddies at DailyKos.
Bedwetters? Are you talking about your party little man or yourself?
And Oh are you also fucking your mother? I believe that’s illegal. Yeah, I bet she was good last night.
October 2nd, 2007 at 1:29 pm(test)
Sully,
obelix as a ligher weight is fine for my argumentation though
October 2nd, 2007 at 1:32 pmKippster:
So you admit that you are a bedwetter and you are fucking your mother. Damn you really are weird.
October 2nd, 2007 at 1:38 pmputainnng ! WTF is that
October 2nd, 2007 at 1:43 pm“Sully,
obelix as a ligher weight is fine for my argumentation though”
well “lighter weight” and ‘my argumentation’ are certainly two terms that fit for you.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:06 pmFrenchy:
Argumentation? Your English sucks dipshit. The word is arguments.
October 2nd, 2007 at 2:48 pm“of the aleatory phenomens”
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:04 pmFrenchy:
“of the aleatory phenomens”? That’s complete nonsense in English. What the fuck are you talking about dipshit?
October 2nd, 2007 at 3:38 pmdanny boy,
as you have spare time, take your peanuts
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:18 pmdipshit : celui qui dit, celui qui est
any bathroom in your hole ?
October 2nd, 2007 at 4:32 pmDan (Infidelity)
So you are obsessed with homos and now have a little of the Oedipus complex going on. You should go see someone about that. You have a whole cocktail of issues.
And quit giving the Frenchman English lessons when your prose is poorer than his. “Friends you can’t turn your back on”…remember. What an idiot. After your idiotic posts they have reason to wack you when you turn your back. “I hate all Iranians.” What a fool. Surely a statement by a person whose mama never GAVE him cookies and milk. I think you should change your forum name to bisquite wa haleeb. (Arabic for cookies and milk.) If I knew Farsi that would be even better.
October 2nd, 2007 at 6:37 pmYet another fine example Kipp’s intellectual rigor.
October 2nd, 2007 at 9:17 pmAt least he’s off the ’stop talking crap about my Iranian and Yemeni friends cuz I came back home and taught the Koran to my Bible class in Arabic cuz I know that too’ schtick he was on.
Dude, please warn the rest of us where that Bible study is taking place.
whats up with kipp saying something and you guys attacking him. you guys are all denouncing iran for having a dictator who keeps his people in check but the moment kipp said something you didnt like you respond with him being a pussy and a shit bird, now you’re denouncing him as a traitor?
are you seeing any parallels?
October 3rd, 2007 at 1:00 am“….are you seeing any parallels?”
no
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:06 amRyan, Kipp
these guis have a problem of self image ;
in the real life I would not be suprised that they also are men who slap their wife ; she would look more refined than them, and they can’t stand that a head is a bit higher than theirs
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:07 am“…in the real life I would not be suprised that they also are men who slap their wife”
Well, in my “real life” it is, at minimum, morally objectionable to do such a thing. It is in your world where all truths are relative that it becomes OK if it fits your perspective.
“…they can’t stand that a head is a bit higher than theirs”
Well you’ve had plenty of opportunity to prove the relative truth of that statement even from your own unique perspective…. and failed every time.
October 3rd, 2007 at 3:14 amWell you’ve had plenty of opportunity to prove the relative truth of that statement even from your own unique perspective…. and failed every time
are you sure ?
anyway my “unique perspective” is not stereotyped like yours
October 3rd, 2007 at 4:10 amFrenchy & Asterix,
How true to form you are - apologists for people like Kipp. I guess you two learned nothing from the Muslim ‘uprising’ in paris that burned your shitty Citroens.
There is a reason why people call you FROGS - you are slimy, mud sucking, bottom dwelling creatures with no capability for rational thought or human emotion - just the ability to jump around from place to place and shit all over yourselves.
Voulez vous coucher avec Kipp cest soir?? Perverts.
October 3rd, 2007 at 7:14 amKipp,
You are pathetic.
October 3rd, 2007 at 7:16 amRYAN,
It not just what Kipp says that makes him retarded, its how he says it.
Moreover, you need to recognize that people like Kipp & the trolls at Moveon.org & the ogres at Daily Ko are dangerous.
There is a war going on - a battle between good and evil. Where do you come out?
October 3rd, 2007 at 7:18 amjelly jam,
what color do you prefer ?
blue lagoon, plain rose ?…
I can provide you any color for your wading trip in the mud
October 3rd, 2007 at 7:42 amFirst off, I have never been to those websites. I am a moderate liberal. If you don’t like how people say things you should look in the mirror. If someone has a different opinion than you do you automatically cast them aside. You lump people in wide categories based on your bias. This is a form of ignorance. “I hate all Iranians, that is why they call French frogs…” These are the statements of a fool. I’m not far left. I believe, as a liberal, that we cannot leave Iraq. Bush was stupid to invade but now we are there it is our responsiblity to ensure they are not slaughtered. You see, when you are capable of complex thought you avoid the extremes.
There is a war between good and evil going on. It is vital that in order to win you are not perceived by most of the people in the world as the bad guy. When you lose the moral high ground you have lost the war. We are the good guys in this fight and we have failed based on many decisions to display this. If you go around spouting off that Islam is evil you are going to make the road more difficult. If you make changes in foreign policy that attracts moderate and liberal Muslims it will be much easier on us. Guns and bombs can only get you so far. Gen. Patreaus has shown this. He is successful because he is smart, something that was lacking before.
October 3rd, 2007 at 9:08 am“are you sure ?”
yes, quite sure.
“anyway my “unique perspective” is not stereotyped like yours”
yes it is… just read any of the recent writings of or about Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi or even one of your own countrymen like Jacques Chirac and you should notice the stereotypical resemblance of their views to your own.
October 3rd, 2007 at 9:42 ameven one of your own countrymen like Jacques Chirac
OK, I understand your perspective, kind of “don’tmoveon.com”
I am afraid you are falling in (ra)dotage
Chirac was an epiphenomenon in our history, alike your opinion, they date
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:21 am“… You lump people in wide categories based on your bias. This is a form of ignorance.”
No it isn’t. Who ever taught you that? EVERYBODY is biased and as much as you like to entertain yourself with nuance, believing that somehow makes you ’smart’ and your thinking ‘original’, you can never get away from the fact that you are biased.
Ever hear of Occam’s Razor? Stated (over)simply it says: ‘the simplest solution tends to be the right one’. It is the principle that has made this country as great as it is today, driving people like Einstein and Edison in science and Madison and Jefferson in politics. There is nothing inherently wrong about applying that same principle to your own politics as long as your premises are grounded with fact. For instance, it is a fact that Harry Reid aids and abets our enemy in this war. Therefore he is a scumbag.
“You see, when you are capable of complex thought you avoid the extremes.”
While I see no evidence this capability applies to you, it is definitely not a foregone conclusion. While you are off fiddling with your “complex thought”, Paris and London are burning. A direct result of the ‘multiculturalism’ their own “complex thought” produced.
“When you lose the moral high ground you have lost the war. We are the good guys in this fight and we have failed based on many decisions to display this.”
Who did we “lose the moral high ground” TO exactly?
“If you go around spouting off that Islam is evil you are going to make the road more difficult.”
But it is evil. It is a political ideology disguised as a religion. The Muslim Brotherhood showed us that when they aligned themselves with the NAZIs and OBL shows us that… well, daily.
“If you make changes in foreign policy that attracts moderate and liberal Muslims it will be much easier on us.”
Point out some “moderate and liberal Muslims” with the ability to make things “easier on us” if we’d only ‘change our foreign policy’ please.
October 3rd, 2007 at 10:43 amFrenchy,
“Epiphenomenon” - The hell you talking about…Hmmm..let’s think:
Gen. Petain and the Vichy Gov’t
Segolene Royal (moonbat ho fo’ sho)
F. Mitterand - hosting vichy scum at his presidential palace
Louis 14 - wasted $$$
marie Antoinette - beeyotch
your history sux, froggy - nothing but shitty leaders for a has-been country
October 3rd, 2007 at 11:28 amEVERYBODY is biased and as much as you like to entertain yourself with nuance, believing that somehow makes you ’smart’ and your thinking ‘original’, you can never get away from the fact that you are biased.
glad to read that from you
Jelly, how was your mud trip ?
October 3rd, 2007 at 12:47 pm“glad to read that from you”
I’m sure you are. I’m also sure that “as long as your premises are grounded with fact” escaped you entirely. Since “fact”, along with ‘truth’ is ‘relative to your perspective’ in your world.
October 3rd, 2007 at 1:02 pmSully,
since you play well with the words and since I can’t be so clever as your in that game, (not my mother tongue), then your deductions are quite stubborn or biased (chose the best word); that doesn’t help though when I try to understand how you are fonctionning, you and your fellows. I thank you anyway for the time you take to care of my digressions and imperfections.
I had like though that you din’t borrow that professoral altitude to sermon me. I am not that kind of person to be lectured (question of temper) ; I wasn’t a perfect student, and I won’t become one now.
I had preferred you explained me your opinions instead of ironising on my liberal lefty expression, which I am not, and I can measure how your fonctionning with your prism rather than being natural, but you were natural of course !
October 3rd, 2007 at 1:36 pmHUH???
October 3rd, 2007 at 2:10 pmFrenchy,
What the hell are you talking about?
Stop rambling.
“Not a perfect student” - NO SHIT - Dunce is more like it.
October 3rd, 2007 at 6:02 pmBTW,
What’s the RECORD for responses on an article?
October 3rd, 2007 at 6:03 pm