Ron Paul Gets Booed
From Politico:
Ron Paul gets booed
At the end of a long complaint about (what else?) American foreign policy.
By my count, that is the second time tonight.
So does the next GOP debate even include Paul, Tancredo and Hunter? Or do the networks start doing like NBC did with Mike Gravel and just not invite ‘em.
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And yet he still won the poll.
Hmmmmmm.
He is no Republican.
October 21st, 2007 at 7:19 pmHunter stays as he is the best voice for the military in Congress. Tancredo stays just so the others are reminded of the damage being done by the illegal immigrants. Ron Paul on the other hand, ship his ass out to the Democrats or at least the Libertarian debate. The guy ranks slightly above Jimmy Carter. If he believed in unfettered taxation, he would be Jimmy Carter.
October 21st, 2007 at 7:20 pmWhat you folks fail to see is that each candidate received an even amount of tickets to hand out to their supporters. That would weight the audience 7-1 against Ron Paul on the issue of the war.
The text poll can not be hacked and he won it by 34% So if he is excluded from the next debate Ron Pauls supporters will surely not support any of the seven remaining and all republicans will loose anyways.
Also most republicans keep ignoring the facts about Iraq not having connections with 9-11 or Alqueda but yet they’ve been lead to believe that all mideast countries are involved and we should continue the war into Iran, Syria, Pakistan and now Russia?!?! The war supporters are a little out there. The war on terrorism can not be won. In the mean time we have created new generations of terrorists and the war on terrorism will never end. That’s the biggest threat to our country, our freedom, and our children. It’s not too late to bring the troops home before escalating the war into Iran. Did you guys know that because of the unpopularity of the war. Congress is considering a draft. Is everyone ready to go fight the terrorists? You know I’m all for fighting for my country when there is a real threat. But you must be smart enough to see through the propaganda to help the military industrial complex sell more arms compared to a real military threat. Do your research folks. Remeber all the politicians on that stage tonight are bought and paid for by the Military Industry or some other special interest group. Ron Paul is the only one who has recieved his support from the people. That is why you see his supporters and not others.
October 21st, 2007 at 7:57 pmHe wins the non-scientific polls all of the time since the defeat-o-crats keep texting votes en mass on their stupid I-phones.
October 21st, 2007 at 7:59 pmIf you dig out a copy of the Republican party platform that Ronald Reagan was elected on in 1980 and compare it to Paul’s positions, they match up a lot more than any of the other hack candidates in this race.
The only people who accuse Paul of being a fake Republican are bloodthirsty neocons who think that the only Republican issue is war. For these people, the rest of the platform is gone. It doesn’t matter what Paul’s record is on limited government, taxes, spending, immigration, federalism, race issues, abortion - none of it matters, because he doesn’t want to kill enough brown people. The rest of the platform is now a lie, and should be replaced with a picture of a dead Iraqi child.
Enjoy your one issue party and your catastrophic election defeat in 2008, you jort-wearing carnies.
October 21st, 2007 at 8:00 pmYeah Ron Paul technically won the poll. But we all know his whacky supporters stacked the hell out of that poll. He considers winning a little only for fun fox text message poll part of his strategy for winning the white house haha. didnt raise much money so he uses anything he can find
October 21st, 2007 at 8:00 pmOh joy. Either we have a bunch of paid neocons here spreading misinformation, or we have a bunch of fellow Americans who hate America. I just love these people… byproducts of a warped and broken machine. Make no mistake, Ron Paul is da man.
October 21st, 2007 at 8:05 pmRon Paul supporters are the wacky ones? Hmm Well we happen to think that supporters of the war in Iraq are wacky. So tell me wacky war supporters when will the war end? How will it end? What is victory in the war on terror? Answers those questions and maybe I’ll rescind my comment about you being so wacky.
October 21st, 2007 at 8:09 pmIf you don’t think Islam is a threat you are fucking morons.
Spend more time reaserching the goals of ISLAM.
And your OLD argument that Iraq had no conection with 9/11 is bullshit. 9/11 was a result of ISLAMIC terrorism, ISLAMIC terrorism!
ALL the middle eastern countries have ties to ISLAMIC terrorism. They fund it, teach it and use it. They must all be dealt with.
Your “Lets talk to them and make them like us.” stance is weak and scary at best.
Ron Paul WILL not win.
Find a new way to waste your time.
October 21st, 2007 at 8:21 pm“Find a new way to waste your time.”
They can’t get anybody to listen to them about troofer shit so they jumped on the Paul wagon.
October 21st, 2007 at 8:32 pmWhen will the war end?
When terrorist are powerless and the good people of Iraq can defend themselves from Al Qaeda. How cold are you to tell your fellow man to deal with it yourselves. If a group of psychos came to your town and started beheading anyone who apposed them would like someone to help or not?
How will it end?
How the fuck can anyone know that!?!
What is victory in the war on terror?
Dead terrorists. And not having to worry about bombings and other terrorist acts.
Whacky is thinking giving the terrorist what they want will keep us safe.
Roll your foil hat up real tight and shove it up your whacky ass.
October 21st, 2007 at 8:35 pmSo your saying we must deal with all of them? Why not drop a nukes on all the countries so we can kill them all? It’s clear you haven’t thought this through.
October 21st, 2007 at 8:40 pmWhy not drop a nukes on all the countries so we can kill them all?
You are a fucking genius. I forgot “dealing with them” means nuke ‘em.
October 21st, 2007 at 8:46 pmAnybody backing Paul ain’t thought shit through.
October 21st, 2007 at 8:52 pm“The war supporters are a little out there. The war on terrorism can not be won.”
You have got to be fucking shiting me??
The only moonbats on this planet are Pahl and the Pahlies that stand behind him. He is a loser and won’t do “Jack Schidt” in the primaries.
You Pahlies may be ready to hand the Islamofascists your own heads…they’ll have to fight me for mine.
October 21st, 2007 at 8:57 pmWhy is it that the Ron Paul people only post here when their boy makes news?
October 21st, 2007 at 9:02 pmAbout the only thing I agree with Ron Paul is fiscal discipline, but you can’t put a price on defense. I believe it was Thomas Jefferson who said (I am paraphrasing), “Millions for defense, but not one damn dime for tribute,” hows that for the philosophy of the founding fathers, congressman? He doesn’t have a chance in hell, in the primaries.
October 21st, 2007 at 9:35 pmRon Paul doesn’t stand a chance! As a presidential candidate he represents what Ross Perot was to the Conservatives and Ralph (No Nads) Nader was to the Demwits! His knowledge of what is going on in Iraq with the success and progress our guys are making is based on mainstream media polls rather than Truth…
A Fred Thompson/Ron Paul ticket would be interesting though; as Fred Thompson could control Foreign policy while allowing Ron Paul to work on some Domestic issues, I further believe that this would solve the division on the Conservative side that the Demwits are relying on to get Billary elected…
As for the issue of Hellary; it remains important that Conservatives come out to vote even if it means the lesser of two evils, her Communist/Liberal ideology WILL be the final nail in this Nations coffin otherwise!
October 21st, 2007 at 9:40 pmBrian=nutbar
October 21st, 2007 at 10:04 pmI need to make a club at our school called the “Ron Paul Sucks Vote for Real Republicans” Or the RPSVRR Not very good good but hell I know a few smart kids that will join it! haha, back to the subject Ron Paul sucks don’t vote for him m’kay!
October 21st, 2007 at 10:06 pmHaha not “our” but “my”
October 21st, 2007 at 10:07 pmJared,
sorry we havent done our homework perfessor! you see to many of wacky dum asses got stuk in irak and since then we havent had the time to do the homework. you see, in our simple minds, we believe osama and company when they say they want to kill us because we dont belive in allah just as muhammed once said so many years ago, until the crusaders got sick of taking it in the ass. In american history, we used to pay off the muslims to stop harassing our people and enslaving them, then jefferson decided to use force to stop the bribery.
since then we stopped negotiating with terrorrists! The war we are fighting is the same war islam has been fighting against unbelievers since the time of muhammed. Go ask a zoarastrian or bahai what its like to negotiate with muslims.(you wont find them in muslims countries, you may find a few zorastrians left in india) they dont negotiate. They lie and call it holiness (because they are protecting islam), they kill and call it holiness, they enslave and call it holiness, they rape and blame the woman for not covering herself enough.
The only way to fight a relentless foe who will not treat you as an equal is to subdue him, take away his power and weapons and /or kill him before he does the same to you. The hadith is clear ” Muhammed said: I was ordered to fight the unbeliever until the only religion is Islam”
If we have to go to a draft to fight this war then I ‘m willing to fight it. I will not submit to islam.
You know alot about america but you have an elementary understanding of islam. Remedy the deficiencies and then we can talk again!
October 21st, 2007 at 11:04 pmAlright, I have to ask -
What happened to Dan (The Infidel)???
I have not seen him comment in awhile. He would have been all over this topic and Jared.
Ron Paul suxs!
October 21st, 2007 at 11:45 pmRon Paul is an extreme libertarian, not a Republican, nor a conservative; at least not one that I recognize nor support. The kind of “non-internationalist” foreign policy that he advocates simply is impossible in a uni-polar world led by the United States, the sole Superpower on earth at this time in history. What I mean by “non-internationalist” is the kind of foreign policy advocated by the founding fathers that just basically said “Leave me alone, and I’ll leave you alone”. Of course, they had to abandon that policy when they were forced to go after the Barbary pirates of North Africa (so much for that great idea). BTW, the Barbary pirates were attacking American ships then for the same reason the Islamic terrorists are fighting the West today: the Koran told them to do it, according to their own words.
The point is, that Ron Paul’s ideology is kind of like Communism: sounds good in theory, but doesn’t work in practice. Don’t be fooled by this fool.
October 22nd, 2007 at 12:18 amWhat happened to Dan (The Infidel)???
he is playing Zorro in southern California, courageous of him though, hard work too, all that because of a pyroman
October 22nd, 2007 at 4:43 amTJ and Macs - well said!
Ron Paul is neither capable nor willing to provide for this nation’s security, and for that reason alone, he will not get my vote.
October 22nd, 2007 at 4:50 amLast night was the 1st time I have heard Ron Paul speak. Hmmmm He sounds like a whiny cry baby. Yeah that is what I want my next President to sound like when he is dealing with terrorist. “Come on now! Stop that! Don’t kill us no more gosh darn it!” No other nation is going to stand up and fight with a bunch of sissys. Besides sounding like a spineless idiot, complaining about the war during a debate does not inform us of his plan. What’s is your solution to radical islam Ron Paul?!?!?!?!
October 22nd, 2007 at 5:41 amRon Paul needs to get a clue.
Ron Paul doesn’t have any supporters. Democrats keep showing up to vote for him any time there’s a poll in order to artificially inflate his numbers.
That’s a hallmark of the left - they believe that cheap political games are important. It comes from living simple, protected, oil-soaked lives of decadence that have insulated them from the real world.
October 22nd, 2007 at 7:03 amFuck Ron Paul.
October 22nd, 2007 at 10:12 am15 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 were Saudi, and Oslama bin Laden is Saudi. Saudi’s use oil revenue to fund much more terrorist activity than any other muslim nation. Why don’t we invade Saudi Arabia?
I’m tired of these weak war-hawks. Do you want to end terrorism or not? If you do, quite jacking around - we must cut off all oil revenues to terrorist organizations through oil well confiscation. We must move the war into the nations surrounding Israel (Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Palestine) and declare Martial Law in those nations until we can install American friendly governments. We must prop up these American friendly governments and give them oil revenues to supress terrorist activity. Then we must completely blockade all trade to Pakistan and South Korea until they are forced to strike at us. When they strike, we will be justified in defending ourselves, and we should then use tactical nuclear weapons to eliminate their key governmental hubs. We then move in and confiscate all nuclear facilities and weapons.
If you think we can win the war on terror by beating Iraq, you are an idiot. When we won WWII, we took on the axis of evil (Japan, Germany, Italy), yet Bush calls for a war on terror, and then doesn’t attack ANY of the new axis of evil countries (South Korea, Pakistan, Iran, China). If you are a war hawk, there are no acceptable choices for president, since non of them want to really fight and win a war on terror.
Vote Ron Paul for a more realistic policy of America’s role in the world - A unilateral superpower with nuclear first strike capabilities, strong borders, and the most powerful, prosperous nation on earth. I would rather be rich than feared. A true war on terror might make us safer, but so, so much poorer. That is why the US will NEVER do what is necessary to win the war on terror, and why we should stop throwing good money after bad.
October 22nd, 2007 at 10:23 amJared, Brian and all other Ron Paul tea-baggers out there, your man has absolutely no chance of winning, or even making the Republican ticket in this election, or any other. NO CHANCE WHATSOEVER! He is a complete idiot and an embarassment to the Republican Party, and indeed to the democratic process. He has no place in American politics outside of an entertaining(to some)sideshow. Clear-minded thinkers will ignore him, and so should you. Its time to flush the Ron Paul terd down the toilet.
October 22nd, 2007 at 10:27 amShutup! Ron Paul won’t win… shutup shutup shutup! He didn’t raise as much money as McCain, he just spammed those 5 Million dollars! Those 2,000 people at the Ron Paul rally in Michigan, just spammers creating holograms! Shutup! I wish Ron Paul would just go away!
October 22nd, 2007 at 11:18 amJared- the war will never end, because if the war ends, then there will be no more money to be made by the international bankers and corporations profiting from the war. So if it’s not in Afghanistan, then it’s Iraq. If not Iraq, then Iran. If not Iran, then Venezuela. Etc. etc. etc.
October 22nd, 2007 at 11:54 am“International bankers” ? Like who? Soros?? Even Pariser at MORON.ORG and the Clintonistas got over their hatred for those guys. Get with your own program dude.
October 22nd, 2007 at 12:38 pm“….I’m tired of these weak war-hawks…..”
None of the elaborate strawman you’ve built is any part of Ron Paul’s Foreign policy goals.
“… the new axis of evil countries…”
The ORIGINAL ‘axis of evil’ nations were Iraq, Iran and North Korea and all are presently engaged at differing levels.
What I really want to know is how the U.s. will do everything you propose with ‘about eight submarines’.
“…Vote Ron Paul…”
NO FUCKING WAY.
October 22nd, 2007 at 12:51 pmSully- The war is paid for by banks, which lend the money with interest to our government. The longer the war goes on, the more money they make. I don’t know which program you want me to get with, but apparently your program resides in fantasyland.
October 22nd, 2007 at 2:01 pmSully- The war is paid for by banks, which lend the money with interest to our government. The longer the war goes on, the more money they make. I don’t know which program you want me to get with, but apparently your program resides in fantasyland
October 22nd, 2007 at 2:04 pmSully- The war is paid for by banks, which lend the money with interest to our government. The longer the war goes on, the more money they make. I don’t know which program you want me to get with, but apparently your program resides in fantasyland
censors are cowards. trying to repress the truth in typical fascist fashion
October 22nd, 2007 at 2:07 pmEric:
October 22nd, 2007 at 2:37 pmSo..our banking system sent islamic radicals to hijack American aircraft and fly them into the World Trade Center to kill thousands of Americans so they could start a war with AQ that would require the Federal Government to request financing which would make interest and increase their personal wealth? Dumbshit, STFU, stick your head back in your ass (if it isn’t already occupied) and go back to the daily kos. Oh…and say hi to Ron Paul.
“The war is paid for by banks…..blah, blah, blah…”
Dude. So you’re a “banks” troofer? That’s rich.
Talk about “fantasyland”.
Big bad corporations and banks conspiring to keep Eric down?
Don’t freak out or say that I told you but you’re Mom and Dad might have conspired to bring you into this mean world. If they had known how unhappy you’d be they might have prevented it somehow.
“censors are cowards. trying to repress the truth in typical fascist fashion”
I didn’t try and censor you. Neither did this site. Your homebase DailyKos censors regularly.
October 22nd, 2007 at 4:33 pmI made fun of you and what you think. Cuz it’s funny in a blindingly stupid way. But you do have a right to free speech, it just does not include an obligation upon me or anybody else to take you seriously.
rhys,
“Vote Ron Paul for a more realistic policy of America’s role in the world - A unilateral superpower with nuclear first strike capabilities, strong borders, and the most powerful, prosperous nation on earth. I would rather be rich than feared”
so ron paul wants to wait until we are threatened again and then drop a big nuke when necessary? then you suggest we occupy jordan and lebanon with US friendly governments? wouldnt that further make us more enemies? And you mention south korea twice as an enemy? Huh?
your proposals would make us rich AND feared AND reviled.
the only good point you made was regarding the saudis. I would love to go to war with their sorry asses howver, that might be the breaking point in uniting all muslims once and for good since mecca is their holy land.
i dont think you or ron paul are basing your foreign policy on anything but pure emotion.
October 22nd, 2007 at 11:59 pmSully,
I am always amazed by your abilities of convicing, would you say there is no moderation ? euh, I bet then you might have already been smashed a few more times
If they had known how unhappy you’d be they might have prevented it somehow
yeah, is that what your church preaches ?
October 23rd, 2007 at 1:15 am“I am always amazed by your abilities of convicing…”
Thank you frenchie. I only wish that it was possible to say the same for you.
“yeah, is that what your church preaches ”
Abortion would be the first stop of a leftist brain like your own and Eric’s.
October 23rd, 2007 at 7:08 amI forgot to mention your humility
I know objectively that your brain is impermeable (à l’extérieur seulement) and can’t leave the high moral path of yours (tant pis pour toi si t’as des oeillères)
October 23rd, 2007 at 8:03 am“I know objectively…”
Ah but it is you that has the blinders to truth.
And how can it be that you know anything “objectively”??
You told us before that everything is subjective and relative… including morality.
October 23rd, 2007 at 8:26 amYou told us before that everything is subjective and relative… including morality.
only for the points of view, they depend on where you live, which times… and moral standards evolve at the same time as civilisation’s knowledge does too. But that doesn’t prevents someone to be a honest, sane or generous person… these are personal qualities.
you could look very moral from the outside according to your society principes, but being at the same time the most malicious, hatefulperson for the extrems, or biased, rigid and self conteid person, chose in the basket what suits you
“objectively” can’t be relative as far as it’s a perception of a reality, even virtual ; eh, psychology intuition
October 23rd, 2007 at 9:07 amPersonally, I still feel Hunter is the only REAL old school Republican running. He’s one several straw polls among Republican insiders, but his campaign has been a flop about getting his message out there. He’s got the best military credentials for being Commander-in-Chief. He’s done an excellent job on the border, and the only one willing to still build the fence that might be out last shot of soverienty. He has not interest in NAU talk, or anything that continues teh disasterous effects we’ve had to deal with from NAFTA. The problem is even though I agree with him on 90% of everything he says, he just lacks Charisma. So while I do not think he’ll win it all, I hope he stays in, if only to remind the other candidates what Republicans are supposed to sound like.
October 23rd, 2007 at 9:27 am“only for the points of view, they depend on where you live, which times…”
That’s “subjective” and “relative”.
“..and moral standards evolve at the same time as civilisation’s knowledge does too.”
and so is that.
“you could look very moral from the outside according to your society principes, ….chose in the basket what suits you”
and so is that.
““objectively” can’t be relative as far as it’s a perception of a reality..”
and so is that.
So, again, if you do not hold anything to be objectively true, how can you “know” anything “objectively”?
October 23rd, 2007 at 9:44 amthen, why are we talking here ?
it’s only abstractively objective : just that I see my key-board getting more hurt and dirty, (yes I smoke) that’s a real fact and so is tha,t amen
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:18 amSully-
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:49 amI am indeed unhappy that our great country is being led down this path. And yes, I am a “bankers troofer” I guess (though I have no idea what a troofer is) if I believe that skillionaires who profit off war do not give a shit about you or me, because they don’t. And the banks don’t conspire to keep you or me down as you suggested, they conspire to keep them up and rising. You really don’t get it I guess, which is sad. Do you really think these guys with their private jets and yachts and mansions in Aspen, do you think they care about us or what happens to us, to the USA or UK or even Iraq or Iran? Why would they care, they get rich either way! But in your world, these people would probably sacrifice all of their money to make sure that the masses are happy… right…
I’m trying to get a question answered but that does not seem possible.
You use alot of words with no apparent understanding of their meaning. Odd for a student of aesthetics, phylosophy and history such as yourself.
October 23rd, 2007 at 10:50 amyour the professor, sono l’alieva, e vero que no capito tutti il tuo vocabulari, ma sono il professor dalla pictura, e vero que il mio vocabulario e questo impressionistimo
October 23rd, 2007 at 11:11 amperque tu no capisces tutti mia colors
Well Eric, a “troofer” is the term coined for the 9/11 conspiracy theorists. It appears to apply directly to you in that you apparently believe this country and its evil capitalist ways are conspiring for themselves against you.
I’m not sure how deep your rift with your country goes from your posts here but let’s explore your rhetoric for a clue…
“Do you really think these guys with their private jets and yachts and mansions in Aspen, do you think they care about us or what happens to us….”
I don’t care if they care about you or me… but especially you.
I’m too busy trying to find a way to get my own jet.
HEY!!! Maybe I can figure a way to scare the globe into buyin my books and pay exorbitant speaking fees so I can get that jet. That job has been filled??? DAMN!!! Guess I’ll keep trying to figure a way to broker carbon credits.
“But in your world, these people would probably sacrifice all of their money to make sure that the masses are happy..”
Uh no. That would be your fantasy world Eric. It describes Marxism.
Sad that the “masses” are never “happy” with the “happy” that the State provides eh?
Hmmm…..
October 23rd, 2007 at 11:19 amSully-
October 23rd, 2007 at 11:34 amYou are arguing my case for me, so thanks. You agree with me that the ’skillionaires club’ doesn’t care about the average Dick and Jane one iota. They don’t care about who wins the super bowl, they don’t care about Paris Hilton, or sending someone to the moon. They care about money, like you. But what separates these people from you is that they have no country, they have houses and offices all across the planet and therefore they have no allegiance to anything in particular, except money. I don’t know you, but I know them, and they have no conscience. You may be the same way, I don’t know so let me ask you a question: Would you sacrifice 10 people you don’t know to get a billion dollars? How about 5000? 100,000? How far would you go? I guarantee you that many people in this world would say “yes” and if you think differently then you obviously don’t follow the news. So it’s not that far fetched after all that there are people who enjoy profiting off war.
Ah frenchie, but I do see your true colors. That’s what makes you mad.
October 23rd, 2007 at 11:38 amSully, but you don’t understand the “true” vocabulary, that what you like (couper le cheveu en quatre) to cut the hair in 4 parts, and makes you look like a rethorician of the void
you can still run after your jet even with skis, that makes you a reasonable person but not a person of reason
October 23rd, 2007 at 11:59 amtypical french fare. all sauce and no meat.
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j97/stars5501/frogcig-1.jpg
October 23rd, 2007 at 12:21 pmah, it’s you on fuck france .com, I reecognize your profile pic
how ya going there ?
l’art, c’est la sauce, renseignes-toi, les cuistots les mieux payés sont les sauciers !
I don’t like eat meat
October 23rd, 2007 at 12:31 pmhttp://img99.imageshack.us/img99/2788/tetedecalottee9ndkn3.jpg
Hanibal Lecter
October 23rd, 2007 at 12:55 pm“Hanibal Lecter”
Yeah, I’ve been trying to feast on your ‘brain’. Unfortunately, like most french food, not very satisfying and I’m left still VERY hungry.
October 23rd, 2007 at 2:10 pm@Sully,
October 23rd, 2007 at 2:50 pmWell done! Your discourse with Franchie has reached its logical conclusion! When asked a question regarding absolutes (that is knowing something objectively), he/she/it is lost within the liberal conundrum of moral relativity and subjective thought. With nowhere left to go he/she/it resorts to jibberish. Beautiful..
@Eric
October 23rd, 2007 at 2:56 pmI refer you back to my previous post.
“Sully-
You are arguing my case for me, so thanks.”
Well Eric, what I have ‘argued’ is that your worldview is Marxist and not compatable with American capitalist society.
Maybe Castro is still taking applications (hint: don’t wear that Che t-shirt; they weren’t REALLY friends).
October 23rd, 2007 at 3:59 pmIf that is arguing your “case” for you then OK, it’s win/win.
You and frenchie here are so much alike. As Political.fish noted quite well; “lost within the liberal conundrum of moral relativity and subjective thought.”
@Sully and Political Fish
October 23rd, 2007 at 4:35 pmNeither of you answered my question. I’ll start with a simple scenario: You are walking down an alley late at night and you see a man up ahead. If there were a guarantee that you would get away with it, would you kill the man for 10 million dollars? One more scenario, if you had information that 5000 people were about to be blown up by terrorists, and you could sit on this information with guaranteed protection from prosecution in exchange for 1 billion dollars, would you do this? There are people in America and the world who would answer yes to both questions.
My point is that as long as there are people in this world who value money more than human life, then there will always be somebody wanting to profit off death, war, and terror. When these people already have an enormous amount of wealth, influence, and power, then there are no bounds to the lengths they can go to make this happen.
October 23rd, 2007 at 4:40 pmEric-
“…there are no bounds to the lengths they can go to make this happen.”
If you are aware of specifics rather than this broad unsupported assertion, I encourage you to contact your local office of the FBI or even the U.S. Attorney for your district.
Dude. Your naivete is astounding and your EMO worldview borders precariously on the ridiculous.
October 23rd, 2007 at 8:53 pmSeriously, hit us back up when you graduate high school if you make it.
political fish, don’t masturbate , because it makes you blind, and you know nothing of the game
yeah, Sully, because you are so delusional in your petite life of appearences, with no real human communication, that you break your “preferred” toys, but I am no victim, as the phenix, I reborn each time, and I have got imagination where you are failing to find a sense
“lost within the liberal conundrum of moral relativity and subjective thought.”
yeah, LMAO, you lack of imagination I think I am going to look for another toy because your such a case of stereotypes ; get a life sometimes, go outside your frames, there are people alive out there, alike Eric, they smell freshness, life will learn them on which side they’ll have to walk anyway, don’t try to manipulate the persons, it makes you the evil apprentice,you’ll get lost in the Bermudes triangle with your jet
now, I am done
October 24th, 2007 at 12:58 am@Franchie/Eric
October 24th, 2007 at 7:45 amAdieu, my little French poodle. It is clear that you and Eric, in the absence of a moral absolute, have an insufficient bases to determine right and wrong, or even reality from fantasy. You dwell within a loop of nonsense and dispair, and have but one way out. My best to you both.
Sully/Political Fish,
October 24th, 2007 at 9:38 amI take it that the reason you have refused to answer my questions is because you concede the argument to me. Good move.
“yeah, Sully, because you are so delusional in your petite life of appearences, with no real human communication, that you break your “preferred” toys,”
OMG!! You’re so smart!! You should be like on TV or something!! Maybe even that new internet thing that’s out now!!! You could have like your own station or page or whatever where you make fun of people you meet on the internet and stuff.
” but I am no victim, as the phenix, I reborn each time, and I have got imagination where you are failing to find a sense”
Well that would have to be true for each and every day now wouldn’t it? With nothing absolute in your life.
“alike Eric, they smell freshness, ”
Sounds to me like your buddy Eric there keeps smellin’ rats. Not freshness. You too when you say I’m trying to manipulate anything other than trying to get my own jet. Just what on earth is wrong with that??? SHEESH!!!
I looked into Al Gore’s but it’s kinda old and burns alot of gas. Heard he was wanting to upgrade to a bigger SUV style jet to herd his entourage around with him.
“…evil apprentice…”
Nah. That job is no longer available. The candidates have already been chosen and SOROS makes his formal selection pretty soon:
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October 24th, 2007 at 10:41 amyou may be an intelligent person, but I can’t find anymore interest to carry on discussing with you as your agenda is finally to bash me as a french and a supposed leftie.
I don’t pretend I am the smartest person in the world, I try to remain open to new human experiences and knoledges without prejugés, kind of mind travels that the net made possible.
you don’t make any effort to make your discourse clear and you play with my akwardness in responding.
so the jet is real, I thought it was a “windy” effort of you to show how effective you are ; sorry, for my digression with the image, I don’t care anyway
October 24th, 2007 at 11:05 am“as your agenda is finally to bash me as a french and a supposed leftie.”
Valid criticism…. Just pointing out the obviously true. We don’t care much for Socialism round here and your postings seem the epitome of a Socialist worldview. No moral grounding and views vary from day to day on fundamentals.
“you don’t make any effort to make your discourse clear and you play with my akwardness in responding.”
See. There’s the Leftie. Feeling sorry for yourself. And the person you perceive as the one making YOU feel bad is the culprit rather than taking an honest look at whether you may be wrong. You know? I heard once that that is the definition of a bigot. It’s not knowing that you’re right. It’s knowing that you’re right but not being willing to consider where you might be wrong.
When I post on a Leftie website I fully expect to get trashed personally much more than politically.
October 24th, 2007 at 11:54 amIf you can’t find it within you to ‘rise like a phenix’ and COWBOY UP…. see ya.
and you are the epitom of what you reproach us such as intellectual arrogance of an elite but plus, with a feeling of goods superiority
I heard once that that is the definition of a bigot. It’s not knowing that you’re right. It’s knowing that you’re right but not being willing to consider where you might be wrong.
you heard once LMAO where is your subtility ?
so long Narcisse
October 24th, 2007 at 12:15 pmNarcisse?
October 24th, 2007 at 12:29 pmThat is a description of someone that looks at themselves and sees how smart they are before deciding what to think about the world that day.
So I guess that describes you then.
encore une de tes manipulations
I heard once that that is the definition of a bigot. It’s not knowing that you’re right. It’s knowing that you’re right but not being willing to consider where you might be wrong.
LMAO
October 24th, 2007 at 12:43 pm
October 24th, 2007 at 1:01 pmWhatever.
You’re an idiot with no moral compass and I will be treating you accordingly from now on.
and that wasn’t the case of course ?
October 24th, 2007 at 1:35 pmNo it wasn’t. I tried to be nice to you and engage in discussion even when Dan told me I was wasting my time. But as usual Dan was right and, as is true with all discussion with people with no moral compass, your views depend on how you look to yourself in the mirror on any given day.
October 24th, 2007 at 1:46 pmAnd THAT is narcisse.
you got a funny way to be nice, I hardly remarked it
yeah, you need Dan as a conscience leader, oh my !
October 24th, 2007 at 1:54 pmhave it your way then
October 24th, 2007 at 2:17 pmsee you on the board
pas de probleme chéri
October 25th, 2007 at 7:37 am@Eric,
October 25th, 2007 at 6:31 pmNoone will answer your questions because they are pointless, and you are a moron. I concede nothing.
Drool on, wanker.
What about freedom scares you so much? Ron Paul is a great man. If you think we are weak because he would like to remove our foreign bases you are a moron. If and when a foreign country attacks the USA we will defend it till the last man woman and child. I was in the army. I know that every one of our soldiers would like to leave that hell hole.
December 4th, 2007 at 9:31 amRon Paul has “his whacky supporters” out the ass,most of them I don’t like.
,while we focus on Islam and get tunnel vision the commies are draining us by destracting people like most of you whos never had to hold your best friend while he blead out 
,fuck all you civilian buckets of shit wanna-bes,Ron Paul might not project the bad ass image you crave but I garrin God damn tee ya,he’s no pussy,Sometimes the best defense is a good offense,but not all the time,its time to un-ass to the rally point for future ass kicking,right now funds are too low neo-con shitbirds!! 
December 30th, 2007 at 1:18 amBut I do like Ron Paul and he’s got my vote,you shitbird REMF wanna-bes are on par with the liberals I detest.
George Bush doesn’t have the balls to call this war what it is,a holy war supported by the Saud royals and most of all the Russians and Chinese
And for the Ron Paul supporters that think that he’s going to back out of everybody’s biz,sing kumbaya and everything will be hunky dory,you pussys have another thing coming too,He’s made it very clear,we’ll back off,and thats not for peace but to re-group for future ass kickings,he’s no fool and he knows that when we leave they’ll follow us,he’s just buying time to deal with China and Russia.
In ending we’ve got the bank owned neo-cons,some are military wanna-bes with thier heads so far up thier asses they tunnel on only the islamic threat which is good but it blinds them to the other enemys at the gates.
Then we’ve got the Ron Paul supporters that think appeasment and group hugs will save the world,word to you dickheads Ron Paul is not the pussy you want him to be,nor does he believe that 911 was an inside job,both sides wake the fuck up because this put out to pasture TOP has had enough of the BS from all of you!
You wanna have a pissing contest?
Come get some!!