Archbishop Of Canterbury Trashes America In Muslim Magazine
“America has created the worst of all worlds”
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Excerpts from Times of London and the Press Association:
The Archbishop of Canterbury has launched a stinging attack on America, saying that the United States wields its power in a way that is worse than Britain during its imperial heyday.
Rowan Williams claimed that America’s attempt to intervene overseas by “clearing the decks” with a “quick burst of violent action” and then doing nothing to help Iraqis had led to “the worst of all worlds”.
In a wide-ranging interview with a British Muslim magazine, the Anglican leader linked criticism of the United States to one of his most pessimistic declarations about the state of western civilisation.
He said the crisis was caused not just by America’s actions but also by its misguided sense of its own mission. He poured scorn on the “chosen nation myth of America, meaning that what happens in America is very much at the heart of God’s purpose for humanity”.
In comparison, Britain in India had “poured in resources” to try and normalise the country. He said Britain handled its foreign interests during the colonial period in a superior fashion to America’s current handling of its own foreign interests. He then went on to praise their worship practices.
In the interview in Emel, a Muslim lifestyle magazine, Williams makes only mild criticisms of the Islamic world, saying simply that its “political solutions were not the most impressive”.
He went on to suggest that the West was fundamentally adrift: “Our modern western definition of humanity is clearly not working very well. There is something about western modernity which really does eat away at the soul.”
Williams went beyond his previous critique of the conduct of the war on terror, saying the United States had lost the moral high ground since September 11. He urged it to launch a “generous and intelligent programme of aid directed to the societies that have been ravaged; a check on the economic exploitation of defeated territories; a demilitarisation of their presence”.
Williams suggested American leadership had broken down: “We have only one global hegemonic power. It is not accumulating territory: it is trying to accumulate influence and control.”
He contrasted it unfavourably with how the British Empire governed India. “It is one thing to take over a territory and then pour energy and resources into administering it and normalising it. Rightly or wrongly, that’s what the British Empire did — in India, for example.
“It is another thing to go in on the assumption that a quick burst of violent action will somehow clear the decks and that you can move on and other people will put it back together — Iraq, for example.”
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I know many Episcopalians (including some in my family(I was baptized Presbyterian)) that don’t feel represented by either the Anglican Church nor the Episcopalian Church. These insults just might create another schism. This douche better pull his head out of his own asshole or give up his position, he certainly has no comprehension of the threat facing us these days. Oh, and I don’t remember the “Empire where the Sun Never Sets” using smart weapons to limit civilian casualties; please differentiate our ‘evil imperialism’ from that of the Brits.
November 24th, 2007 at 11:44 pmAnother example of the “superior Brit”. An expression coined by John Bolton.
November 25th, 2007 at 12:05 amJust went to the archbishop’s website and found a comment e-mail link. “On your comments about our evil ways in dealing with the world, go fuck yourself you spineless bitch”.
November 25th, 2007 at 12:13 amJohn, it’s great that you feel that way but don’t be vulgar about it. You immediately lose any attempt to argue your point once you start swearing or use personal attacks. Better to just beat them at their own game by asking that hard questions and basically just exposing their stupidity than showing your own.
November 25th, 2007 at 12:34 amJoe M, they’re being snarky in a different vulgar way, I’m 60 years old and tired of giving a fuck. Everyone walks on egg shells around these bitches in capes and drapes and that’s why they drone on. Fuck ‘em and I’d tell the bitch to his face if I had the opportunity. The bitch in purple would burn me at the stake if he had the opportunity. I thank God for a strong Ceaser.
November 25th, 2007 at 12:51 amHe must of forgot all those gatling guns used in “normalising” Africa for the British Empire. Why touture when you can mow down thousands with narry a drop of sweat.
“We have only one global hegemonic power. It is not accumulating territory: it is trying to accumulate influence and control.”
No shit. We should just bend over and take in the ass from metrosexuals like you? Schmuck.
November 25th, 2007 at 1:41 amWhile I agree the vulgarity is not warrented for this guy, I do have to disagree with him. I know that Iraq could be better, but it is improving,slowly but surely. Why not want more democracies in a part of the world which has so few?
November 25th, 2007 at 3:09 amThis piece of shit should be strung up by his balls. How dare he piss on the heroic efforts of so many Americans, living and dead, who have shed blood, sweat and tears, and STILL shed blood, sweat and tears, to build Iraq into a better place to live. Where is his ass but stuffing his face with food cooked by servants while our troops fight and die alongside brave Iraqis to liberate that country from the terrorists he coddles with statements like “they could improve their politics but I sure admire the way they pray”? Typical cowardly faggot lefty version of “speaking truth to power”: damn the decent civilized people who won’t hurt you ( just so you can sound like a “thinking rebel” ), but praise the world’s Muslims because you are afraid of them due to their notorious reputation for terror.
November 25th, 2007 at 3:17 amI find it odd that this English prick didn’t make a coment about the beheadings carried out by muslim extremists????
Then again I shouldn’t be surprised that so many people are bending over to these backwardass barbarians.
John C.- This is America, you have every right to say what you want about this smug asshole, who by the way probably likes the little choirboys. Too bad he has already submitted to Alah
November 25th, 2007 at 3:23 amNo use getting worked up over this. It only shows that his lack of tact using the US as a scapegoat is another desperate attempt by a church that has since lost any moral authority in the world to assuage its own guilt and at the same time kiss the asses of their muslim masters. Its interesting how america is such a threat that liberals in this world feel free to say the vilest criticisms about us but are extremely lacking in their criticisms of the islamic world? could it be that they know that as dhimmis any criticism against the “great” muslim religion will bring more grief and mayhem and likely death for them?
We also need to remind the Holy one about the history of islamic imperialism that has been going on since the inception of Muhammeds “prophethood”. we have 3 prominent signs of that imperialism: 1. the insistence that “allahs” book be read in “gods” language arabic. 2. the fact that all muslims must take a trip to arabia once in their lifetime. 3. they must even face arabia when praying.
Talk about idolatry! The imperialist even insist that their adherents not submit to non-muslim governing authorities, thus you have local thais killing buddhist monks in thailand, philippinos killing philippinos, and somalis killing somalis, sudanese etc,etc all the while demanding their own homeland. and yet people like archbishop can see well to even criticize such imperialist designs much less outright condemn it like he sees fit to condemn the US, a country , he knows full well wont kill him for his words!
November 25th, 2007 at 3:41 amAnother example of the “superior Brit”.
I can guess your irish ancestry
your experience gives you the right to call a “cat” a “cat”
and the Brits did invent the concentration camps during the Boers war
November 25th, 2007 at 4:36 amI think Franchie is Rosie O’Donnell. She posts in Haikus.
November 25th, 2007 at 4:53 amre:TJ
“remind the Holy one”? with a capital”H”?, the holy one, oh really !!
This guy is just another political hack hiding behind a cross, bust out your new prayer rug, you seem to have Ayatollah “MUZZIE” look going for you already, as “great Brittan” rolls over, sliding beneath the waves.–”take a final drag on that meat whistle Rowan baby, your new bosses
are not going to put up with that shit.
I. Hey Friar tuck–who the fuck are you ?
November 25th, 2007 at 4:58 am2. Who cares
axem red,
dunno who is that “rosie”
well thanks anyway for the style remark,
it’s just I am getting up
November 25th, 2007 at 5:04 amTJ that Kafir laid it out well :beer:
That pagans ignorance is amazing.
He has chosen a side.
November 25th, 2007 at 5:23 amWere I come from the congregation would require an apology and a retraction of his statements, if he had an issue with that then he would be fired; end of story!
I checked out some other “crap” he said at his site and it’s obvious that this dude has an Episco-Pagan style agenda. I think that the Unitarian trend is seen by Pacifist Utopian dreamers as the Salvation of mankind; Humanism masquerading as Humanitarianism, this is why characters like this need their authority to be acknowledged (Their whole charade depends on authoritarian roles). The God I understand is the one that Died for me (like our Soldiers), not some lofty dude siting on a “porcelain throne dispensing his wisdom” (Like the Archbishop).
I also noticed his apparent ignorance of the fact that there is a thing called the Bible; not one scriptural reference that I saw on his site and it’s safe to assume that if there was then it would be out of context. Where I come from if you can’t pick up a Bible and understand it by the 5th grade then there is something seriously wrong!
Toss that lame ass fruitcake and find a 5th grader to stand at the pulpit reading what was supposed to be coming out of the Archbishops Pie hole!
November 25th, 2007 at 6:48 amCouldn’t find that email link that was referred to earlier. Would love to send Mr. Rowan a scathing email. His countenance in the pictures is one of demonic proportions. Dress him up like a muslim imam and he’d fit right in over there.
November 25th, 2007 at 7:03 amTry:
November 25th, 2007 at 7:04 amApparently, His Holiness does not realize that the root cause of the current crisis is the ham-handed ignorant way the British and the French chopped up the Ottoman empire after we came an pushed them over the top in WW I. These fake countries drawn up by British bureaucrats spawned the perversion of Islam called Whabism.
November 25th, 2007 at 7:50 amEvery significant problem of the last 200 years can be traced to the Rothschild family of London.
November 25th, 2007 at 8:01 amWarBicycle–
November 25th, 2007 at 8:02 ammy e-mail was REJECTED by that e-address.
(probably best, lest a visit by (MI-5 or 6)
Franchie, my feelings about England only began to change over the last few years. I have to admit though that my exposure was mostly through the Public Broadcasting System and all those British rockers. I always thought England was pretty cool. I love British humor as we all saw on the Brit coms on PBS. I really got off on all that royal stuff, got a little weepy over Diana, the British pull out all the stops on weddings and funerals. I’ve never given suicide a thought and have little patience for what looks to me as a large part of present English society doing exactly that. The Irish always gave me the impression they were more, even though growing up we didn’t call it victimization, playing the role of the victim. Do a Wikipedia search on “Irish Need Not Apply”. What a sham. Just found out about that a couple of years ago.
November 25th, 2007 at 8:37 amFranchie, forgot, PBS is re-running “I, Claudius”, 10pm Sundays. Something they ran the first time in the ’70s. The Brits do a pretty neat ancient Roman accent with their British accent. I think it’s installment four tonight out of a total of thirteen, I’ll be watching.
November 25th, 2007 at 8:42 amKorndawg, thank you very much, “I hope I passed the audition.”
November 25th, 2007 at 9:00 amJohn,
thanks for teaching me a part of history through a song ; didn’t look into wikipedia though (you know its reputation
), but found this interesting link:
http://tigger.uic.edu/~rjensen/no-irish.htm
While I was staying in UK, I lived in a family who had an “irish maid” though ; I can assure you that the Irishs were regarded as “peasants” while we, as Frenchs”, were “barbarics”
, not especially in that family, upper educated class of jewish origin, but in the mainstream media and population ; well that was in the seventies !
“Claudius”, hehe, still an antic history fan ?
and, yes, Brits have a tremendous sense of humor, we just have to find the right ones
November 25th, 2007 at 9:30 amHe needs to be reading the bible instead of watching CNN…Even the pope wouldn’t say anything like that…you pompous piece of sh*t…
So now on begahlf of my faith I forgive you for your retarded perception, speaking before thinking and mostly for trying to kiss the radical Islamic a$$ by blaming America. Archbishop puke
November 25th, 2007 at 10:07 amThanks for email address, sent a polite but stern note to the SOB
November 25th, 2007 at 10:22 amThis guy is a subscriber in good standing to the four main pillars of lost Westerners who are striving mightily to become Dhimis. This lack of insight by such Western thinkers are what keeps the Islamofacist movement moving forward. They are:
• “that Muslim problems arise from Western (read US) and Israeli oppression;
• that the struggles and violence of radical Arab nationalists and Islamists are based on genuine grievances;
• that the West behaves wrongly because it is hostile or ignorant about Arabs and Muslims;
• and that Arab and Muslim society is vastly superior to the West - which justifies their rejection of it and will ultimately pave the way for their victory over it.
The first three pillars are too commonly accepted in the West; the last is largely ignored - creating a critical flaw in Western thinking, since the key to understanding the Middle East is not “Islamophobia” in the West, but the region’s own “Westophobia.” Within this broad category we can discern many other phobias: of modernity, secularity, democracy, freedom, female equality and of Judaism and Christianity.
THE BOTTOM LINE is that change is needed not in Western policies and perceptions, but in the Middle East itself. After all, the West succeeded precisely - as Arab liberals well understand - because its societies put a priority on internal change: education and honest inquiry; productive virtues; better social infrastructure; more human and civil rights; and a freer culture.”
It is the West that has allowed the same personal freedoms
that Islamists suppress. Let this fool move to an Islamic country and try criticizing the regime in power; or God forbid Islam itself.
I don’t recall the US conquering any terroriry in the ME. They have freed millions…and have taken NOTHING in return. There is zero comparison between the current US foreign policies vis-vis the GWOT and old Britain’s yen for worldly conquest.
The man is yet another victim (cough, cough) of Cranial Rectal Inversion.
November 25th, 2007 at 11:57 amThis guy should be excommunicated. What a @#$%bird. No wonder the British masses are so anti-US, with “leaders” like this.
November 25th, 2007 at 12:04 pm“It is another thing to go in on the assumption that a quick burst of violent action will somehow clear the decks and that you can move on and other people will put it back together — Iraq, for example.”
Wow! Its not like we have left Iraq in shambles, we are working hard with Iraqis to rebuild it.
November 25th, 2007 at 12:53 pmGreat article by a definite historian–
Why You Can Believe all Those Warnings About The Death of the West:
November 26th, 2007 at 2:09 amhttp://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OTliNzFlYzk0YWE2OTk5MjU1MWI0NWVhMjc5Nzk0NDI=