“We’re Americans, and we’re better than this. And what happens if we don’t waterboard a person, and we don’t get that nugget of information, and there’s an attack,” Kiriakou said. “I would have trouble forgiving myself.”

How did this guy all of a sudden “come to believe that waterboarding is torture and we shouldnt be doing these kind of things” while acknowledging how effective it was???

Your talking about a technique that obviously works and does not harm the individual post a few moments of torment and no physical damage!!

What is this guys agenda? Clearing the soul? Political games, CYA because it was made public yet all the while saying it was very effective…

A lot do.

If the compassionate amongst us want to end CIA interrogation I don’t see that as a problem.

The solution is to send the pukes (enemy combatants) to Marine Corps boot camp, USAF Pararescue indoct, SEAL BUDS, Special Forces combat Diver School, or a host of other sanctioned torturous schools that the ass kicking warriors of our great nation have to endure in order to wear their respective uniforms.

35 seconds? Ask a Pararescue Officer what it’s like to intentionally drown and then be revived or fail the class and get dismissed from the program.

These so called monsters don’t have the guts to get tortured, the term is not applicable to them and the reason is simple.

The scumbags have no honor, therefore they have no reason to resist, and that equals no torture in the truest sense has been visited upon their bankrupt backwoods caveman minds.

Semper Fi

Good guys don’t torture.

Actually I believe part of that article describes just how effective waterboarding is. And I don’t remember John McCain ever saying he had been waterboarded, just that he thought it was torture. It was more likely that he had toothpicks shoved under his fingernails, and if you ask me that sounds worse.

McCain gave up bogus but easily verifiable info. The NVA were more interested in breaking his will than getting useful information. In the end, he signed a ‘confession’ of his war crimes.

There is no shame in this. Eventually, EVERYONE BREAKS OR DIES.

The hard part is usually getting the subject to talk at all. Once they start blabbing, even if it’s all bullshit at first, half the work is over. You verify what you can and punish them for their lies. Soon, they won’t even think of lying.

There’s torture, and there’s persuasion. By your standards, every jock whoever gave a swirly is a war criminal. Waterboarding is not torture. People voluntarily subit to it in training all the time. I doubt they’d let anyone brand them or break their shoulders. Outside of San Fran, of course…

Mr. Kiriakou’s credabilty is ZERO. The info from this one scumbag stopped a number if not dozens of attacks? But we shouldn’t do it? WTF???????

Sir, do you understand that by attacks, you mean the MURDERS OF A NUMBER IF NOT DOZENS - HUNDREDS - THOUSANDS OF AMERICAN CIVILIANS? ‘Attacks’ are not just some etheral concept, idiot. Dead Americans, that what it means.

If you can’t cut it anymore - retirment is where you belong. Let real men protect our country while you gum your steamed prunes.

Good guys don’t treat terrorist scum like gold and stand idlely by while their fellow Americans are murdered.

Jack said-
Name one instance, any of you, where torture has led to the prevention of a terror attack.

I say-
“From that day on, he answered every question,” Kiriakou said. “The threat information he provided disrupted a number of attacks, maybe dozens of attacks.”

I say again - attacks equals murdered Americans. If you had read the article posted, Kiriakou says it works. He has direct knowledge of waterboarding’s success. You do not. Your arguement that it is ineffective is specious and vacant.

But he says the urgency in the wake of 9/ll led to a desire to do everything possible to get actionable intelligence.

“What happens if we don’t waterboard a person, and we don’t get that nugget of information, and there’s an attack,” Kiriakou said. “I would have trouble forgiving myself.”

So are you for it or against it? cant have it both ways

The vietnamese tortured people to death. we make our prisoners extremely uncomfortable for short periods of time and otherwise feed them three meals a day and give them tremendous liberties otherwise. In comparison to others we still have the high road.

to say jihadis are fighting because of our recent actions defy’s the reality. Every muslim who gets caught in the act of committing or attempting to commit acts of terrorrism, blames america or israel for their cause when in fact it is the quran that is the ultimate source of their rage.

The “infidel, Kafir, people of the book, those who incur God’s wrath” are conveniently replaced in contemporary society by ” atheist, polytheist, christian, zionist etc” We could have a history of peace , and never fighting muslims, and yet we would be condemned for everything else such as , alcohol,eating pork, women not covering up, pornography, homosexuality etc just as muslims and minorities in islamic countries are today being persecuted for such offenses. Islam is a totalitarian ideology that acknowledges no right of dissent amongst the governed.

Muslims will tell you it is our sins(torture war , lust for oil ) that are to blame, but it is an excuse to cover up the known quranic injunctions telling followers to “slay the unbeliever whereever you find them… “(9:5) and if they dont have those excuses to kill you then they use the others(Hijab offenses, alcohol, pork, homosexuality, insulting muhammed etc)

Calling this torture is meant to hold up the US to international treaties while never bothering to hold islamic countries up to the same treaties they are signatories to, for which they abuse far worse than we have. If we are tio win this war that has gone on for centuries then we may have to use certain techniques that cause temporary pain and suffering, not because we want to but because we have to. The people who think ill of us for it, are obviously willing to be dhimmi’s. I am not!

In it he said “the technique broke Zubaydah in less than 35 seconds.”

and

“From that day on, he answered every question,” Kiriakou said. “The threat information he provided disrupted a number of attacks, maybe dozens of attacks.”

Later in the interview I saw him say I’m not sure if we should use torture as it may lead to bad information from the prisoner….

Well gee, I think that Mr. Kiriakou might be confused. He did say the waterboarding led to, and I quote “The threat information he provided disrupted a number of attacks, maybe dozens of attacks.”

What was that again? a number, maybe a dozen disruptions of terrorist attacks.

Gee it looks like some good info was obtained from the prisoner.

Hmm. Waterboarding is ok with me. The sick fuck is still alive right, so shut the fuck up lefties. Personally I hope it makes him wet his bed for the rest of his natural life, but one can only hope.

Jonny Mordant just recently made a new video and it shows what true horror is and people seem to avoid and forget about it.

Apocalypse Iran

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-7c5LNaK8A&feature=PlayList&p=883D4495C9D9B2C9&index=70

It is exactly what the left and people like Pelosi, Reid, et al. should have to watch over and over again until they get it. This is not a game of politics. We are in a war with an enemy that does not acknowledge and respect empathy or compassion. They only respect strength and that is the only way to defeat them. Playing politics will get us nowhere with them.

When the Jews were forced into ovens and shower stalls to be gassed would it have helped them if we just tried to negotiate nicely with the Natzis?! Try to understand why the Natzis felt the way they did? Make sure we did everything nice. Hell no. The only way to deal with enemies like that is with force. The same goes for the terrorists and their supporters now. There is no way around it. Anyone that thinks you can play patty-cake with their islamic ideology is nuts. I always think of Iggy’s saying ~ It is what it is.

PJ ~ I agree with everything you said. Our own go through waterboarding and worse in training.