Ahead Of U.S. Trip, Britain’s Prince Andrew Attacks Bush On Iraq
LONDON (Reuters) - Britain’s Prince Andrew launched a sharp attack on Tuesday on President George W. Bush for failing to listen to Britain during the conflict in Iraq.
In a newspaper interview ahead of a 10-day visit to America to support British business, the prince, who is fourth in line to the throne, said the aftermath of the Iraq war had left Britons with a “healthy skepticism” towards what is said in Washington.
“If you are looking at colonialism, if you are looking at operations on an international scale, if you are looking at understanding each other’s culture, understanding how to operate in a military insurgency campaign — we have been through them all,” he said. “We’ve won some, lost some, drawn some.”
“The fact is there is quite a lot of experience over here which is valid and should be listened to,” he told the International Herald Tribune.
The prince, who also carries the title Duke of York, said that while Britain remained America’s number one ally, the post-war situation in Iraq had prompted many here to wonder: “Why didn’t anyone listen to what was said and the advice that was given.”
“(There are) occasions when people in the U.K. would wish that those in responsible positions in the U.S. might listen and learn from our experiences,” he said,
He added that it was, after all, the Americans who had asked for advice: “It’s not as if we had been forcing that across the Atlantic.”
Prince Andrew served in the British Navy for 22 years and saw active service as a helicopter pilot during the Falklands war with Argentina in 1982 in which more than 1,000 people were killed.
He described that experience as one that changed him “out of all recognition” and given him “a different view of life”.
Now, as a full-time trade envoy for Britain, Andrew said he realized “the real people who are actually making the United Kingdom what it is are the people who are doing business.”
He also used the interview to praise his ex-wife, Sarah Ferguson, whom he divorced in 1996 after a 10-year marriage which he said “didn’t go quite according to plan”.
“We have managed to work together to bring our children up in a way that few others have been able to do and I am extremely grateful to be able to do that,” he said.
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That’s a bit rich for a country that could not even hold one city
February 5th, 2008 at 1:02 amin Iraq, Basra, and had to negotiate terms with rag-tag Al-Sadr
for a safe retreat out of the battle zone.
**** *** Limey would be the phrase that comes to mind.
Tell it to someone who cares, like the invaders of Londonistan. The Duke is a dick.
February 5th, 2008 at 1:15 amOn second thought, the Duke isn’t a dick, the Duke is a dork.
February 5th, 2008 at 1:17 amA few thoughts:
1. The statement is obviously a political gesture to reassure some key people–probably Europhiles–that he isn’t at the beck and call in Washington.
2. It has the tone of “why doesn’t the child listen to its mother,” which went out of style around 1945.
3. Whatever historical experience Britain might have, prior to the current action in Iraq, no Western power had had to mount a widescale counterinsurgency in decades, meaning that, whoever went in was going to have to relearn hard lessons. And frankly, we have the most contemporary experience with counterinsurgency. We fought in Vietnam, probably the longest unconventional war ever fought in the modern age. We had extended action in Beirut. After that, we ran covert war in modern in history in Afghanistan against the Soviets. We also dealt with Somali, Bosnia, the Balkans, and Kosovo. And after 9/11, we worked with indigenous forces to take out the Taliban. We also happen to maintain the largest and most experienced peacekeeping force in the world, the USMC, and the largest unconventional warfare force, the US Army Special Forces.
4. The extensive British experience obviously wasn’t on display in Basra, which under the British Army’s administration, was in shambles for quite a while.
5. The present results that we’re achieving seem to demonstrate that we know what we are doing now. And we learned it all on our own, thanks.
6. Consider your work in Iraq back-payment for hauling your asses out of the fire during the Cold War (including the Falklands War, where you had to rely on the US for refueling, because Britain those types of units) and those aforementioned peacekeeping missions in your backyard.
February 5th, 2008 at 1:28 amWasn’t it the British Navy that let it’s sailors be taken captive in international waters? I’m pretty sure that the other warships close by didn’t fire a shot.
Also sounds like political speak for we are surrendering our national identity in the name of international business.
February 5th, 2008 at 1:50 amwho is this guy? what power does ne carry? what has he done? the answer is nothing! he talks shit when his country is being overrun by muslims. churchhill is rolling over in his grave. what a disgrace his country as become
February 5th, 2008 at 3:21 amStay home, Limey faggot.
February 5th, 2008 at 3:31 amChurchill once said, “the traditions of the Royal Navy are rum, the whip and sodomy”. I think we all know which this guy liked the best.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:14 am“making the United Kingdom what it is are the people who are doing business”
freedom is for sale in britain
February 5th, 2008 at 5:36 amWhat cross bunnies you all are!
Put it this way - you couldn’t get a more attentive and loyal ally than Great Britain. And yet, we think your foreign policy pretty much stinks. So just pause and imagine what the rest of the world thinks. What Prince Andrew said was very mild. Essentially, don’t assume you have all the answers; listen once in a while.
Some points in return …
Dave M.
Most folk here think we shouldn’t have been there in the first place.
David Marcoe
On your point 6. We don’t owe the USA anything. You have many bases here and I think it helped Ronald Reagen having such a strong ally in Margaret Thatcher.
Devdok
You make a good point, but the opposite one to the one you intended. We didn’t fire a shot, no-one lost their lives and we didn’t start a war with Iran. It’s about having more tools in your box than a sledgehammer.
Trapper
We are not overrun by Muslims, they make up a tiny percentage of the population. But don’t let facts get in the way of your opinions now …
Dr. Gruber
February 5th, 2008 at 5:57 amI can see how you got your doctorate … $80? $90?
FDR didn’t go along with everything Churchill suggested either.
“We’ve won some, lost some, drawn some.”
Yeah, like Bloody Sunday (Derry Jan 30, 1972)
February 5th, 2008 at 6:11 am[[Dave M.
Most folk here think we shouldn’t have been there in the first place.]]
Rather sad to see how most folks there have degenerated to uneducated rasism.
[[David Marcoe
On your point 6. We don’t owe the USA anything.]]
Infact you owe us for the same things that old Europe owes us for, i.e. you not sex toys for Nazis or slave labor for Communists.
[[I can see how you got your doctorate … $80? $90?]]
Dont know about Gruber but I got mine the old fashioned way.
February 5th, 2008 at 6:23 amI’m glad Pat posted this story so I could say, “Who gives a shit!”
February 5th, 2008 at 6:49 amYeah im gonna have to drop a giant who gives a shit on this story. I have no idea who Prince Andrew is so the opinions he holds means nothing as well.
February 5th, 2008 at 7:48 amYo! Andrew!
TOUGH SHIT!
We are about to finish the job - And you???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcxKIJTb3Hg
February 5th, 2008 at 7:55 amLftBhndAgn
Surely you don’t really think that you “… are about to finish the job” in Iraq? Mission Accomplished?
February 5th, 2008 at 8:07 amHe obviously doesn’t think he needs any cooperation during his visit here. His diplomatic tactics leave a lot to be desired if he really does want to accomplish something during his visit to the “colonies”.
He’s a wanker.
February 5th, 2008 at 8:14 amLftBhndAgn - In what sense are you about to ‘finish the job’? There’s still hundreds of thousands of US troops in Iraq that won’t be withdrawn until a Democrat gets into the white house!
I don’t agree with Andrew’s tone, but in a way he’s got a point. We engaged in brutal supression of Iraqis back in the days of the empire, including the use of chemical/biological weapons, to punish tribes who rebelled. It didn’t work, and you could certainly learn a lesson from that.
February 5th, 2008 at 8:17 amafter all the only one who is paying is my nation,the iraqis>
February 5th, 2008 at 8:21 am@ London calling
“You make a good point, but the opposite one to the one you intended. We didn’t fire a shot, no-one lost their lives and we didn’t start a war with Iran. It’s about having more tools in your box than a sledgehammer.”
I think the issue you’re missing about that whole episode is the fact that naval, military personal allowed themselves to be kidnapped in neutral waters without putting up any sort of resistance, or hell, even just run away.
What does this tell your enemies? “oh, yeah, sure. grab some of our guys, it’s cool. Just bring em back when you’re done.” In actuality, Iran declared war on you guys by kidnapping British citizens in neutral water for no apparent reason other than to stoke A’jad’s ego.
If the British government had any balls, it would’ve taken Iran’s actions as an act of war and acted accordingly. If they had made some sort of military action against Iran for that whole episode, they would’ve been completely justified.
“Give em an inch and they take a mile”
That’s a phrase too much of our Western world has forgotten in the mulitcultural, apathetic malaise brought about by our Liberals ideologue pushers.
February 5th, 2008 at 8:25 amFor those of you who don’t know who Price Andrew is:
He’s a decorated war hero. The exact opposite of George Bush.
He fought in the Falklands war, which the British fought (and won) alone.
February 5th, 2008 at 8:26 am@ London Calling…again
“Surely you don’t really think that you “… are about to finish the job” in Iraq? Mission Accomplished?”
Well, since you seem to think that we’re nowhere near the end of finishing in Iraq, could you tell me what that would look like?
Since the surge, violence has been down(not eradicated, but then hey, people get killed everyday in every country in the world. Why does Iraq have to be any different?) The Iraqi government is doing okay. I remember some stories a few months back about Iraqis who fled the violence are coming back to the country.
And the biggest indicator of things going well is the fact that there isn’t 24/7 news coverage of the place. “no news is good news” is quite applicable when you have a liberal media who would rather eat their own intestines than to give Bush(or any Republican for that matter, other than McCain) any kind of good coverage. Hell, if a military guy sneezed on an Iraqi and gave him the flu, the media would be on that like white on rice. “Bush sends sick soldiers over to kill Iraqis” “Bush’s secret plan to kill everyone in world, pg. 2″
So, since you don’t think we’re anywhere near accomplishing victory in Iraq, you implicitly suggested you would know what that would look like and that we’re not there yet(or may never be) So, please do share with us what needs to be done in Iraq. Then let your government know, so they can go accomplish what we have, apparently, failed to do. Or rather, let us know, we’re the only ones who would actually do something.
February 5th, 2008 at 8:38 amLondon Calling
Mission Accomplished? No.
Not at least for the next 15 years.
Military fighting? Closer then any leftist would ever want to admit.
With OR Without you, its getting done.
February 5th, 2008 at 8:38 amIn what sense are you about to ‘finish the job’?
In the sense that the coalition forces have toppled Saddam and replaced his brutal dictatorship with a democracy. In the sense that the insurgency has bungled and lost the war for hearts and minds. In the sense that all original goals have been achieved and the extra task of crushing al-Qaida to Iraqi managable levels is clearly in sight.
Thanks to all coalition forces who made this possible, including the Brits who did well and deserve honor despite the fact that “the majority of folks” in the UK dont think the liberation of 27 million human beings is a worthy goal.
February 5th, 2008 at 8:42 amLondon Calling says about the recent embarrassment of the Royal Navy “We didn’t fire a shot, no-one lost their lives and we didn’t start a war with Iran. It’s about having more tools in your box than a sledgehammer.”
And those “tools” are what? Crying sailors who collaborate with their captors and then want to make money from it when they get home? That episode was a disgrace, and showed Iran and everyone else that they can have their way with you. You should have been outraged by this, but instead you’re proud? Lord, whatever have they put in your drinking water?
London Calling also says “We are not overrun by Muslims, they make up a tiny percentage of the population. But don’t let facts get in the way of your opinions now …”
So why are you allowing this “tiny percentage of the population” call the shots on so many important things, like your freedom of speech? Sadly, Brits seem to have decided that if you don’t utter the phrase “Islamic terrorists” they’ll all just evaporate. Or at least revert to doing their blowing people up to places beyond your borders, as was good enough for you until 7/7. You’re sunk, mate, and don’t expect North America to come to rescue this time, because you clearly don’t have the will to survive this time around.
February 5th, 2008 at 2:03 pmI tried to be more passive before and say who gives a shit about this, but actually i do.
Im getting sick and tired of the attitude of the world body. No fight seems worth fighting anymore. If you would listen to half the population overseas and here in America. liberating 27 million people isnt worth the effort according to them. Coalition forces are not going to win the war, according them. We’ll just sit back and let Islam take over our European countries, according to them.
Well I say wake the fuck up! Where would all the AQ killers be right now had the Coalition not gone into Iraq and ended their worthless lives? on the streets of London, Maybe back in Spain or New York? Im just getting sick of getting labeled as a crusader or war monger just because i believe we should do something to prevent our own destruction. And I have come to this conclusion, anyone who is against fighting the war on jihadists should just sit down, shut the fuck and let someone else take charge and save the day yet again. Then you can thank all of those involved later
February 5th, 2008 at 2:29 pmDear london calling: enjoy your language and your fish and chips.If it wasn’t for the U.S. you would be speaking kraut and eating boiled cabbage right now.
It is amazing that you inbred homos were able to produce a Winston Churchill.
February 5th, 2008 at 2:41 pm[[He’s a decorated war hero. The exact opposite of George Bush.]]
Since GWB flew fighters in the ANG your claim of “exact opposite” is bull shit. Bush never saw combat but could have gone to war if his squadron had been sent. Andrew wasnt front line infantry.
February 5th, 2008 at 3:16 pmPoor Brits. They’re so sensitive. Here we got a country who is surrendering their sovereignity to towel-heads who want to kill them and some spoiled rich boy wants to criticize us? Wow…really impressive…NOT…
In two wrld wars we saved Europeans from their German enemies. In the Falklands war it was our logistics support that enabled the Brits to get their fuel and supplies to the Falklands in the first place.
Seems like the US and the Brits are still joined at the hip. Personally, I prefer it that way. But I think the Brits are dead wrong on the GWOT and Iraq.
You wanna be a puss, no problem. Go join Code Pink.
You want to survive another 20 years then join us. Otherwise we don’t need your council.
I don’t care if Andy got the VC…he’s still wrong. Go back to your mum you twit.
February 5th, 2008 at 3:21 pmLondon Calling -
Ah, nothing better than when an elitist snob reveals their true colors. On what substantial evidence do you base the supposition that hurling coarse epithets like “Limey faggot” indicates a lack of education on the part of the hurler? The evidence provided by the prejudice of a snob who clearly turns a deaf ear to the shouting fact of life that the most educated, sophisticated and privileged of us all speak in such a coarse manner with both frequency and relish, is all the evidence you rely on, clearly.
And as for the accuracy of my arrows, your opening salvo, “What cross bunnies you are!”
demonstrates to all that my aim ( “Limey faggots”) is true. Ghey. Very ghey.
Don’t get me wrong. I’m not overall against the British. The best blowjob I ever got was from a London girl. No kidding.
February 5th, 2008 at 3:51 pmThe best blowjob I ever got was from a London girl. No kidding.~~Dr. Gruber
Are you sure was a girl? hard to tell the difference over in poof land anymore.
February 5th, 2008 at 4:09 pmDon’t even bring up the Falkland war
disgrace..HAHAHAHA!
Yeah, that was your finest hour LMFAO
February 5th, 2008 at 4:12 pmBTW, In no way does any of this animosity extend itself to the Brits in the Sand box!
February 5th, 2008 at 4:20 pmdeathstar: “He’s a decorated war hero, the opposite of George Bush” is a statement of fact. Your defense - “George would have been a hero, honest, if he’d ever fought anyone” is as pathetic as the silly name you use to disguise your identity.
The Iraq war has cost half a million lives, and replaced one brutal Sunni dictator with a coalition of brutal Shiite militia leaders. And the war was supposed to be about WMD, not bloody regime change!
Still, it has been educational, reading the neo-nazi ravings on this odd little site. It will be interesting to monitor it now and again, to see how loudly you people whine when you realise that China owns most of your country, because dumb George has borrowed half a trillion dollars from them - just to kill a few barefoot peasants armed with AK-47’s.
It’s costing you more than a million dollars to kill each Taliban - and those boys will outlast you. Like the Vietnamese they’re fighting to defend their country and kick out the foreign invaders. They’ll never give up. But you will, just like you did in Vietnam.
Pakistan can feed millions of new recruits into Afghanistan. You can’t borrow enough Chinese dollars to kill them all.
February 5th, 2008 at 4:38 pm“just to kill a few barefoot peasants armed with AK-47’s”
The little boy genious…lets see, the only gun you’ve held is your little dick and that was so mommy could wash it.
“still, it has been educational, reading the neo-nazi ravings”
Neo- nazi ravings, LMAO, really…LMFAO
I’m …. Dave Morgan, BWAAAAH!!!
February 5th, 2008 at 4:54 pmHey Dave Morgan, why dont you fuck off!
500,000 killed in Iraq? I see you buy into the Soros funded report.
February 5th, 2008 at 4:59 pmBarefoot Peasants sure can do alot of damage. And these “barefoot Peasants” sure seem to have a way of making the Europeans shake with fear as well.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:01 pmJim: Genious is actually spelled ‘genius’. Not surprising that you would be unfamiliar with the word.
Kurt(the infidel): Why would your parents name a right-winger such as yourself “the infidel” Didn’t they know you well? Or at all?
Your detailed rebuttal of the points I made must have tired you both. Take some of the medication and have a lie down.
I’ll come back and visit again when the Democrats have won the next election, and started pulling the troops out. Should be fun.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:20 pmمرحبا (Hello)…BWAAAAH!!!
February 5th, 2008 at 5:24 pmDave Morgan why are you qouting a figure that is wrong, a half million? maybe a sixth of that, that half million figure came from a far left sponsered censues that has been deemed very wrong.
Those few barefoot peasants with ak-47’s murdered 4000 U.S. citizens,cost the U.S. economy billions of dollars in damage, and would gladely do it again becuase some asshole believes that by doing so left-wing nutsuckers like yourself are gonna cry, giveup, bendover and take it and do whatever the hell they say.
those barefoot peasants are not fighting for a country, they don’t wear a flag on there shoulder, they are fighting becuase they believ by doing so they will be able to implement islamic law worldwide.
You may not realize the threat, you probably already forgot about the 7/7 bombing and the fact that these people hate you and wouldn’t have a qualm about making 7/7 or 9/11 for that matter look like child’s play in the wake of a mushroom cloud.
you go ahead and try to appease the thugs, and lowlifes of the world see how far that gets yah. I for one am glad that there are those willing to stand up send those jihadie assholes on to see allah becuase that my friend is truley the only way your gonna get them to stop.
you can’t deter terrorist, how do you deter those who have nothing to lose and wan’t to be made a martyr? you can’t ,but death does significantly hamper there operational effectiveness.
as the old saying goes if your 20 and your not a liberal you have no heart, if your 40 and your not a conservative you have no brain.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:25 pm“Not surprising that you would be unfamiliar with the word”
Is that it? Just matching the IQ of my adversary….
Yea, come back when you grow some balls Eunuch
February 5th, 2008 at 5:36 pm@Dave Morgan
“deathstar: “He’s a decorated war hero, the opposite of George Bush” is a statement of fact. Your defense - “George would have been a hero, honest, if he’d ever fought anyone” is as pathetic as the silly name you use to disguise your identity. ”
me: Rather arrogant of you to say. In addition to not knowing much…you’ve obviously never taken a basic IT class have you?
“The Iraq war has cost half a million lives, and replaced one brutal Sunni dictator with a coalition of brutal Shiite militia leaders. And the war was supposed to be about WMD, not bloody regime change!”
Me: Half-a million? Damn you really are an idiot. That’s pure bullshit stats. Civilian casualties as a result of collateral bomb damage have been very small. Civilian casualties as a result of terrorists attacking them have been on the order of 20-30K.
Civilian casualties by Saddam’s WND attacks are probably on the order of 500K - 1 mil. Nice try at Sorosian propaganda slick.
“Still, it has been educational, reading the neo-nazi ravings on this odd little site. It will be interesting to monitor it now and again, to see how loudly you people whine when you realise that China owns most of your country, because dumb George has borrowed half a trillion dollars from them - just to kill a few barefoot peasants armed with AK-47’s.”
Neo-Nazis? LMAO. I see they don’t raise alpha males in Brit-land anymore do they? And of course anyone with a working moral compass (unlike you dick-boy) is going to be called names. Just tells us we’re on the right track.
Barefoot peaseants? LOL. Most of the jihadis are well-educated and middle or upper class. There is no class distinction in jihad however. And even the jihadis wear shoes.
These same so called “peasants” attacked the US on 9-11, Britain and Spain and are running roughshod over Africa, the ME and the Far East.And they’re taking over your country and the rest of Europe as we speak. And they’re laughing at your arrogant ass.
For your information dipshit, we own our country not China.
China nor anyone else tells us how to run our country.
It’s costing you more than a million dollars to kill each Taliban - and those boys will outlast you. Like the Vietnamese they’re fighting to defend their country and kick out the foreign invaders. They’ll never give up. But you will, just like you did in Vietnam.
me: I’m sure some Brits thought that of the Germans and Japanese in WWII. Turns out they were wrong.
It only costs about 7 cents to kill one Taliban. One shot one kill. The cost of one bullet.
The Talibastards won’t give up because there are too many Westerners like you. If all of them were warriors like us in here…this war would be over sooner.
There’s no parallel to VN, except that there are too many pussies like you left in the gene-pool. Not enough abortions unfortunately.
As to giving up? You’ll give up long before we will.
“Pakistan can feed millions of new recruits into Afghanistan. You can’t borrow enough Chinese dollars to kill them all.”
me: Pakistan is feeding millions into Europe dumb ass. They know Britian is weak and are quietly kicking your ass.
Borrow Chinese money? LOL We have the means and the money to carry the war to the enemy. We don’t need the Chi-coms or anyone else to continue the GWOT.
Go on back to your pub, little man. Tell Randy Andy America said to go piss off.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:38 pmYea, we all saw how well their “approach” worked long-term in the South…
February 5th, 2008 at 5:50 pmNo way am I going to get into a pissing contest over some anti-American limey’s distorted points of view….”barefoot peasants”! Only a little fucktard faggot would underscore his lack of comprehension or respect of the enemy…and I’m sure the little Puss would say it’s not his enemy..Fucking eat shit and die on the spot MF
February 5th, 2008 at 5:58 pmHello Firebad.
The figure of half a million is an estimate, true. Estimates vary from about 80 thousand to over a million. Take your pick which you believe.
The barefoot peasants with AK-47’s didn’t kill 4000 USA citizens at the twin towers. That attack was carried out by some Saudi Arabians, armed with plane tickets and box cutters.
You’re right - they’ll do the same thing again, as soon as they can. That’s why the Afghan and Iraq wars have been such disasters, from a western point of view. They have created many more Islamic terrorists than previously existed. Iraq had none at all, since Saddam eliminated all the Islamic radicals he could get hold of.
Jim: I don’t thing the medication is working. Have another word with your vet.
Anyway, must rush off now. I’m watching the primaries. Obama seems to be doing terribly well. Early days, though.
p.s. Why do all you people hide your real names? Surely you should be proud of your names and ashamed of your opinions - not the other way round.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:58 pmHave to get the last word in again…That’s a psychosis you may need to have checked…ah, I’m sure you have … Thats what the whole meds thing is about…Takes one to know one, I gotcha…
Blueboy you need to just run along now and play doll house with your sisters before you get a good whiff of my testicles…
February 5th, 2008 at 6:10 pmDave Morgan:
No. Your stats are wrong. You liberal socialists keep making shit up, printing it without any research and of couse suckers like you read it and believe it. We’ve done several blogs on the stats. You’re dead fucking wrong. Probably one of the reasons whay everyone is laughing at your ass.
“The barefoot peasants with AK-47’s didn’t kill 4000 USA citizens at the twin towers. That attack was carried out by some Saudi Arabians, armed with plane tickets and box cutters.”
me: No shit sherlock. That’s just the point. All these so called “peaseants” are overrunning your country and you aren’t smart enough to stop them.
BTW dumbass, I have yet to see a pic of bare-footed dead Taliban. They all waer shoes. And they are led by middle-calss losers. The jihadis come in all classes fuckstick. The jihad is a Koranic idea for ALL Mooselems regardless of class.
AQI is made up of mostly educated middle and upperclass types. Peaseants? Try again.
“p.s. Why do all you people hide your real names? Surely you should be proud of your names and ashamed of your opinions - not the other way round.”
me: Like I said…you obviously don’t know much about IT do you? Besides we like the nom-de-guerres. Gives us a chance to fuck with the Islamic scum and the liberal trash like you.
February 5th, 2008 at 6:14 pmJim: Before I get a whif of your testicles?
I don’t know what a ‘whif’ is, but I certainly don’t want to have anything to do with your testicles, so I’m off!
Bye Jim!
p.s. Obama just won another! Mist be a happy day for you lot.
February 5th, 2008 at 6:20 pm@Dave Morgan
Hey stupid. Here’s a link to total civilian deaths in Iraq. The lion’s sahre if bother to look is due to car bombings and other terrorism by MUSLIMS…
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/
What the above fails to mention is that gunfire and execution deaths are AQI and other Muslim on Muslim stats.
In six years they fail to rise to the level that they were at under Saddam.
Contrast those stats with civilian deaths under Saddam which are estimated to be about 125 on a daily basis including 600,000 Kurds.
http://wais.stanford.edu/Iraq/iraq_deathsundersaddamhussein42503.html
However, if you choose to continue to suck George Soros’ dick, by all means don’t swallow too hard.
February 5th, 2008 at 6:28 pmALL CLEAR
Good job boys !
February 5th, 2008 at 7:21 pm[[And the war was supposed to be about WMD, not bloody regime change!]]
Wrong again old bean, when congress voted for the liberation of Iraq, among the reasons was to bring freedom and democracy to Iraq.
So shove it up your a-hole poofda. And your fag, “war hero” prince can also.
February 5th, 2008 at 8:14 pmdag, yo. ya’ll were busy while I was @ work. Now I gotta catch up!
@ David Morgan
“The figure of half a million is an estimate, true. Estimates vary from about 80 thousand to over a million. Take your pick which you believe.”
In your first post, you did not call those figures an estimate, hence people will assume you are stating it as hard fact(i.e. 8 million die a year because of smoking vs. an estimated 8 million die from smoking) Chose your words better, imo, to get your point across.
“The barefoot peasants with AK-47’s didn’t kill 4000 USA citizens at the twin towers. That attack was carried out by some Saudi Arabians, armed with plane tickets and box cutters.”
I thought there were a couple Jordanians and an Egyptian guy in the mix too. And actually, it’s more likely the peasants are wearing sneakers, using a crappy Nokia phone to blow up a roadside bomb made with parts from Iran.
“You’re right - they’ll do the same thing again, as soon as they can.”
you’re right, which is why we need to stop ‘em.
“That’s why the Afghan and Iraq wars have been such disasters, from a western point of view. They have created many more Islamic terrorists than previously existed. Iraq had none at all…”
So, how many terrorists existed before Afghanistan and Iraq we invaded? Do you have the numbers on that? Otherwise, that’s just a liberal talking point. They already hated us before Iraq and Afghanistan(i.e. Iran hostage crisis- late 70’s; bombing of Marine Corps barracks- 80’s; first WTC bombing - 90’s; and finally 9/11 - 2001) So this malarkey about us creating more terrorists is silly.
Will our enemies use Iraq and Afghanistan to promote their cause? Sure. But even if we don’t do anything to them, they’ll still find some excuse. We are fighting a tough and determined enemy. If only they actually had a country and would not use cowardly, horrible tactics, they would be a honorable foe. However, they prefer to strap bombs to mentally challenged women and go blow them up in market areas to kill civilians. And somehow we’re the bad guys….
“since Saddam eliminated all the Islamic radicals he could get hold of.”
Yes, Saddam had his issues with AQ and Islamic jihad and whatnot, but you’re telling me Saddam would not be interested in supplying them with WMDS(not just nukes, which he was working on making again, but chemical/biological stuff) for them to use on US and it’s allies? Maybe, but not something that should be chanced.
“p.s. Why do all you people hide your real names? Surely you should be proud of your names and ashamed of your opinions - not the other way round.”
And you can prove that’s your real name, how? For all I know you’re actually a 14 year old chubby girl named Wanda Cannon. It’s the internet. People can lie on the internet and it is not easy to verify in most situations. I could say I’m Shateegra Cauklauger and you have no way of disproving me.
Anyway, time to check out the rest of the site. Catch ya’ll later.
Sincerely,
Shateegra Cauklauger
February 5th, 2008 at 9:50 pmSuperb commentary and investigative skills as usual mate! While our country goes unscathed on the home front under the Bush administration; The Liberal/Socialist fucks will continue their onslaught of hyperbole against his success in the War on Terror, while at every point they continue to ignore his success in contrast to their own failures caused by their Socialist/Populist agendas!
“When a leadership has conceded its Sovereignty of Law to the rule of Foreign/Sharia Law (even in the smallest of neighborhoods), it has failed its Country in whole!”
Prince Andy should go Fucketh himself and the Horse he Rodeth in on! (I’m guessing it’s an Arabian? Isn’t that what the pompously ignorant ride?).
February 5th, 2008 at 10:10 pmHello cross bunnies, one and all.
My criticism is not directed at the troops, who I’m sure are doing a brave and valiant job. I also have no clue what else they could be doing to improve the situation – frankly, they’re pissing in the wind. My points are that a) we shouldn’t be there in the first place and b) we made a god awful mess of the occupation. I rejoiced along with everyone else when Saddam and his evil regime fell. If you think that this was an altruistic act to pass on the benefits of democracy to the people of Iraq, then we have failed magnificently. The ugly truth is that, for the average citizen, life is now WORSE than under Saddam. We destroyed a large part of the civil infrastructure from the air, and then protected nothing but the Oil Ministry from looters. Basic amenities like electricity, water and sanitation are still not up and running properly and many hospitals are desperately short of supplies. It’s a mess we created that wasn’t there before.
Some of you folk will give comments like these a nice label like “anti-American”, but this just gives you the excuse to ignore it, or throw insults and then ignore it.
February 6th, 2008 at 7:48 am… Yes, London Calling and I are one and the same.
February 6th, 2008 at 7:51 amToo many bloggers have missed the point. Prince Andrew is a mature man and entitled to have an opinion. Protocol may demand that he not have any, but he is only voicing an opinion common in the Anglosphere.
February 13th, 2008 at 3:48 amSince WW2 the American military has always been about “management”. Their brillance at Logistics has ensured that they can ship as much equipment as needed anywhere in the world and bomb any one that they please. But like the guys who designed the Ford Edsel and re-branded Coca-Cola–they often don’t think it through. In WW2 American leaders were so dismissive of British experience that they sent their airman to certain death in the Schweinfurt and Regensburg raids, were humbled at Kasserine pass and lost thousands of merchant seamen by refusing to adopt the convoy system.
In Vietnam they ignored the advice of old Malaya campaign experts with humiliating results.
When an older (albeit frailer) family member gives advice based on his own experiences, it may be worth listening.