“Moderate” Islam Says: “Relax! There Are Only 100 Million Jihadis”
Yeah there is an article in AFP in which there was some Gallup survey of a bunch of Muslims worldwide, blah blah blah…and of all of the surveyed only 10% believed in violent Jihad.
Well, I’ve got two things to say about that:
1. Bullshit on this article…and
2. So, anyway, that leaves a minimum of about 100 million jihadis we have to slaughter before we can begin the healing process. But something tells me that 100 million is just the tip of the iceberg.
Pass the ammo…
WASHINGTON - A huge survey of the world’s Muslims released Tuesday challenges Western notions that equate Islam with radicalism and violence.
The survey, conducted by the Gallup polling agency over six years and three continents, seeks to dispel the belief held by some in the West that Islam itself is the driving force of radicalism.
It shows that the overwhelming majority of Muslims condemned the attacks against the United States on September 11, 2001 and other subsequent terrorist attacks, the authors of the study said in Washington.
“Samuel Harris said in the Washington Times (in 2004): ‘It is time we admitted that we are not at war with terrorism. We are at war with Islam’,” Dalia Mogahed, co-author of the book “Who Speaks for Islam” which grew out of the study, told a news conference here.
“The argument Mr Harris makes is that religion in the primary driver” of radicalism and violence, she said.
“Religion is an important part of life for the overwhelming majority of Muslims, and if it were indeed the driver for radicalisation, this would be a serious issue.”
But the study, which Gallup says surveyed a sample equivalent to 90 percent of the world’s Muslims, showed that widespread religiosity “does not translate into widespread support for terrorism,” said Mogahed, director of the Gallup Center for Muslim Studies.
About 93 percent of the world’s 1.3 billion Muslims are moderates and only seven percent are politically radical, according to the poll, based on more than 50,000 interviews.
In majority Muslim countries, overwhelming majorities said religion was a very important part of their lives — 99 percent in Indonesia, 98 percent in Egypt, 95 percent in Pakistan.
But only seven percent of the billion Muslims surveyed — the radicals — condoned the attacks on the United States in 2001, the poll showed.
Moderate Muslims interviewed for the poll condemned the 9/11 attacks on New York and Washington because innocent lives were lost and civilians killed.
“Some actually cited religious justifications for why they were against 9/11, going as far as to quote from the Koran — for example, the verse that says taking one innocent life is like killing all humanity,” she said.
Meanwhile, radical Muslims gave political, not religious, reasons for condoning the attacks, the poll showed.
The survey shows radicals to be neither more religious than their moderate counterparts, nor products of abject poverty or refugee camps.
“The radicals are better educated, have better jobs, and are more hopeful with regard to the future than mainstream Muslims,” John Esposito, who co-authored “Who Speaks for Islam”, said.
“Ironically, they believe in democracy even more than many of the mainstream moderates do, but they’re more cynical about whether they’ll ever get it,” said Esposito, a professor of Islamic studies at Georgetown University in Washington.
Gallup launched the study following 9/11, after which US President George W. Bush asked in a speech, which is quoted in the book: “Why do they hate us?”
“They hate… a democratically elected government,” Bush offered as a reason.
“They hate our freedoms — our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble and disagree with each other.”
But the poll, which gives ordinary Muslims a voice in the global debate that they have been drawn into by 9/11, showed that most Muslims — including radicals — admire the West for its democracy, freedoms and technological prowess.
What they do not want is to have Western ways forced on them, it said.
“Muslims want self-determination, but not an American-imposed and -defined democracy. They don’t want secularism or theocracy. What the majority wants is democracy with religious values,” said Esposito.
The poll has given voice to Islam’s silent majority, said Mogahed.
“A billion Muslims should be the ones that we look to, to understand what they believe, rather than a vocal minority,” she told AFP.
Muslims in 40 countries in Africa, Asia, Europe and the Middle East were interviewed for the survey, which is part of Gallup’s World Poll that aims to interview 95 percent of the world’s population.
(AFP)
Fuck Islam!!
February 27th, 2008 at 6:13 pmPffffffftttt………I have yet to get one single Muslim to out and out condemn their JiHadi brethren. Their comments are neutral at best, always state that Islam is a Religion of Peace…….and many times includes the one mans terrorist, is another mans patriot theory.
“Muslims want self-determination, but not an American-imposed and -defined democracy. They don’t want secularism or theocracy. What the majority wants is democracy with religious values,” said Esposito.
Well then those here need to assimilate or move back to their fucking mud hut and drive a camel.
February 27th, 2008 at 6:16 pmThis is Islam!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=06d_1188876763
February 27th, 2008 at 6:26 pmI wonder if muhammed would have condemed 9/11?
I bet not.
Also actions speak louder than words and muslims are doing NOTHING to stop jihadis. Denounce all you want, I want to see some action!
February 27th, 2008 at 6:42 pmOh mike…that video epically fails.
Any religion can made be seen like a cult. Jesus asked his followers to give up all their possessions and subsequently family to be with him. Jesus preformed “miracles” and he was immaculately conceived. I would say thats some voodoo science right there. Christians also went about with their crusades and inquisitions to get rid of non-christians.
I’m not bashing christianity but saying all of Islam is a cult is just stupid.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:29 pmjoe,
Jesus preformed “miracles” and he was immaculately conceived. I would say thats some voodoo science right there. Christians also went about with their crusades and inquisitions to get rid of non-christians.
I’m not bashing christianity but saying all of Islam is a cult is just stupid.
If that’s not bashing Christianity, I don’t know what is. Without doubt, the most stupid retort I’ve seen posted on this site.
If you don’t believe in Christianity, fine with me. But to equate Christ to voodoo and then think you’re not bashing the faith is a sign of a deranged mind or an imbecile. I’m guessing a bunch of both.
February 27th, 2008 at 7:49 pmSigh…you missed the point. The video claimed a cult doesn’t believe in science and I was pointing out the Christianity has an instance where people believe in something that has no basis in science.
Your response is no better as I am a Catholic, I just took an objective view on it. People see the Islamic faith as foolish because of what they believe and I pointed out where people think that Christianity is foolish. Learn to see things from more than one viewpoint.
February 27th, 2008 at 8:34 pmWhen is the last time a Catholic strapped on a suicide vest? Islam=Foolish
February 27th, 2008 at 8:49 pmYour response is no better as I am a Catholic, I just took an objective view on it. People see the Islamic faith as foolish because of what they believe and I pointed out where people think that Christianity is foolish. Learn to see things from more than one viewpoint.
Catholic or Protestant is irrelevant. Anybody dumb enough to make your statement above is neither. You equated Christ to voodoo science…your words; not mine.
Instead of me trying to see things from more than one viewpoint, how about you try to do a little better job of making an analogy next time?
I think it is you confused so let me make the post of this entire thread real simple:
1,500,000,000 * .10 = 150,000,000 jihadists.
When you find that many crazed Christians willing to martyr themselves in the name of Christ, taking women and children with them, or when you start hearing of Christian leaders in the pulpits (Catholic or Protestant, no matter) threatening Israel with extermination, get back with me.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:08 pmYep, because all Muslims go around with suicide vests…
All religions have gone through their stupid, i’m gonna convert or kill you phases. Islam just happens to be going through their phase. Foolish of course, it’s just gonna make their whole religion look bad and its going to result in a lot of innocent people being killed. The worst part is it is not even the religion, it is the politics. The people in charge know what’s up, they want to fight the west not over religion but over power. The middle east crazies want power and the best way to do that is to brainwash people into thinking that Islam says its alright to kill people.
Christianity and Judaism did the same thing at one point in history along with a host of smaller religions. Don’t go around thinking Christianity is completely free of martyrdom. Christianity happened to go through that phase a long time ago and has learned from it.
February 27th, 2008 at 9:11 pmnevermind all of this, religion is to be kept personal and not imposed on somebody, and i hate those fucks who use the religion as an “excuse” for what they’ve done. plus the real jihad, as far as i’ve heard is suppose to happen in a heart and soul of a man in question, the constant battle within the person that is, not with other people. so whoever says hes a Jihadi(vests, cars, snipers etc.) they already lost a battle within themselves(they chose satan)…the rest just gotta watch out for their souls and of their close ones…where im from back in a day not a single crusade went on without our help, and the self sacrifice and spiritual strength is nothing new to christians of those days and present…seems like the “warriors of allah” are stuck in the 9-12th century though, along with a submissive mentality towards the “leaders” blindly following their suicidal orders while the leaders are kicking back sippin margarittas…fucking cattle
February 28th, 2008 at 1:02 am“All religions have gone through their stupid, i’m gonna convert or kill you phases. Islam just happens to be going through their phase.”
Me: Yeah. They have been doing that since the 7th Century non-stop. You don’t read much Muslim History do you?
“Foolish of course, it’s just gonna make their whole religion look bad and its going to result in a lot of innocent people being killed. ”
me: But it’s no big deal to you huh?
“The worst part is it is not even the religion, it is the politics.”
Me: Idiot!!! Islam is a social, political and military philosophy dedicated to world conquest and supremacy. Their politics IS their religion. The two are no seperate from one another.
“The people in charge know what’s up, they want to fight the west not over religion but over power. The middle east crazies want power and the best way to do that is to brainwash people into thinking that Islam says its alright to kill people. ”
Me: Killing people is codified in the Koran. Dipshit. Try reading it sometime.
Islamic law calls for the subjugation of Jews, Christians, and others deemed “People of the Book” under the rule of Islam. This idea is based on a cluster of Qur’anic verses that contain general and open-ended commands to fight unbelievers. Among the Qur’an’s commands to fight unbelievers are these:
“O ye who believe! Fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him” (9:123).
“O Prophet! Strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell, an evil refuge indeed” (9:73). The Arabic word translated here as “strive hard” is jahidi, a verbal form of the noun jihad.
The command applies first to fighting those who worship other gods besides Allah: “Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful” (9:5).
However, Muslims must fight Jews and Christians as well, although the Qur’an recognizes that as “People of the Book” they have received genuine revelations from Allah: “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya [the special tax on non-Muslims] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued” (9:29).
That verse is the one place where Muslims are directed explicitly to make war against and subjugate Jews and Christians – the “People of the Book…”
“Christianity and Judaism did the same thing at one point in history along with a host of smaller religions. Don’t go around thinking Christianity is completely free of martyrdom. Christianity happened to go through that phase a long time ago and has learned from it.”
Me: Another stupid ass statement Joe the idiot. In Christianity, people aren’t martyred because they blow themselves up. They are martyred because they refuse to deny Christ.
In Christianity when mistakes are made it is because early Christian leaders they wandered AWAY from Christ, not because they wandered to Him.
In Islam, those that get closer to Muhammed, become more like OBL. Those that wander away from Muhammed become more like Walid Phares.
However, the Koran, the Sira and the Hadith have not changed nor been abrogated by any reformist movement in 1400 years. Jihad is still quital. Conquest and supremacy is still the norm. Islam is no religion.
Your arguments are idiotic. They show no understanding of the dymanics of a truely peaceful religion in the present,(Christianity) vs a truely horrific cult that disguises itself as a religion of the present (Islam).
You like other liberal shitheads try to portray a decent religion like Christainity or society in past terms. You, Chompsky, Zinn and Said are all full of shit.
Islam is a cult. It is a cult of personality with a murdering child-molestor as it’s false prophet. There are over 200+ injuctions in the Hadith that support war and fighting. And all of the peaceful passages at the beginning of the Koran have been abrogated by later invectives against Jews, Christians and all non-Muslims.
Not so in the Bible. There is no such abrogation.
So you are a Catholic huh? Then you are a member Dar al-Harb to the Muslims and they will kill your ass if they get the chance,,,unless you like Dhimnitude?
You’re the kind of ignorant Dhimi fuck that is keeping hope alive for the Moose-heads. You are the near enemy that must be defeated before the West wins the GWOT against the far enemy.
February 28th, 2008 at 9:51 amEveryone in the ME knows that jihad means quital. That old Shitite idea of an internal jihad only appears in one Hadith, but not the one that is recognized by the vast majority of the Muslim world. The idea of a “lesser jihad vs a greater jihad is abrogated by the injuction by Muhammed that promises Paradise only to those who slay and are slain in Jihad. So forget the peaceful jihad BS.
And this poll only reflects the 91 million jihadis who were willing to admit that they are jihadis? What about the rest of them? It’s more like 300 million not 100 million.
February 28th, 2008 at 9:57 am@ mike3481
I wouldn’t accept that Jefferson quote that appears on LiveLeak as gospel. I’ve done extensive reasearch of Jefferson quotes from his library collection and NONE of the atheistic quotes appear in any archive. What is there are quotes exactly opposite of the ones that atheists use.
They’re lies.
Islam however, indeed a cult. But the red flags quoted by the poster are jive ass nonsense.
February 28th, 2008 at 12:31 pmOwned.
August 8th, 2008 at 2:54 pm