Moses Was Stoned
High on Mount Sinai, Moses was on psychedelic drugs when he heard God deliver the Ten Commandments, an Israeli researcher claimed in a study published this week.
Such mind-altering substances formed an integral part of the religious rites of Israelites in biblical times, Benny Shanon, a professor of cognitive psychology at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem wrote in the Time and Mind journal of philosophy.
“As far Moses on Mount Sinai is concerned, it was either a supernatural cosmic event, which I don’t believe, or a legend, which I don’t believe either, or finally, and this is very probable, an event that joined Moses and the people of Israel under the effect of narcotics,” Shanon told Israeli public radio on Tuesday.
Moses was probably also on drugs when he saw the “burning bush,” suggested Shanon, who said he himself has dabbled with such substances.
“The Bible says people see sounds, and that is a clasic phenomenon,” he said citing the example of religious ceremonies in the Amazon in which drugs are used that induce people to “see music.”
He mentioned his own experience when he used ayahuasca, a powerful psychotropic plant, during a religious ceremony in Brazil’s Amazon forest in 1991. “I experienced visions that had spiritual-religious connotations,” Shanon said.
He said the psychedelic effects of ayahuasca were comparable to those produced by concoctions based on bark of the acacia tree, that is frequently mentioned in the Bible.
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Yeah sure there is no war on god or anything. Just disregard how everywhere you look that the Bible cannot be disproved they come up wither scenario after scenario based on nothing but pure guess how things could have been done naturally without god.
They long ago surrendered disproving the Bible after all they keep finding cities and artifacts proving its stories near daily. Since the 70’s it has instead been cloud and build doubt.
March 4th, 2008 at 7:05 amPsychedelic!
March 4th, 2008 at 7:14 amWell…the only ones stoned, in this case, are these, so-called, Jewish scholars.
Dey dun been on da loco weed!
March 4th, 2008 at 7:17 am“He mentioned his own experience when he used ayahuasca, a powerful psychotropic plant, during a religious ceremony in Brazil’s Amazon forest in 1991. “I experienced visions that had spiritual-religious connotations,” Shanon said.”
Great, just what we need, a replacement for Timothy Leary.
March 4th, 2008 at 7:20 amBut what if being in your right mind is wrong? Then you’d have to be in one of your wrong minds to be right! See?
March 4th, 2008 at 8:14 amyeah, may-be this could just be an ear (tympan)desequilibrium ; my mother in law at the end of her life used to hear voices too, generally not kind ; seems that that refelected what a person reproaches to herself.
as far as Joan of Arc voices, late investgations show that she was part of the royal family ; the myth of a divine inspiration was created to impress the Brits who feared God at that time ; now a big deal has been created with that myth, it is difficult to renounce to the money business that goes with it
March 4th, 2008 at 8:19 amThe war on God is alive and well i see. this is just nuts.
March 4th, 2008 at 8:35 amEverything in the Bible happened just as described. But everyone was stoned to the gills at the time!
March 4th, 2008 at 8:43 amI think the only one that was stoned shortly after the parting of the Red Sea was the pharaoh after he watched his troops disappear.
Can’t really blame him either…
March 4th, 2008 at 9:18 amim not knocking on anyones religion here, i do believe in god but not organized religion myself, but this story doesn’t sound all that far fetched to me
March 4th, 2008 at 10:02 amI agree with Monkey on this one.
March 4th, 2008 at 10:43 amThey’ll stone you when you’re trying to be so good
March 4th, 2008 at 10:45 amThey’ll stone you just like they said they would
They’ll stone you when you’re trying to go home
They’ll stone you when you’re there all alone
But I would not feel so all alone
Everybody must get stoned
Completely ridiculous and false.
March 4th, 2008 at 11:09 amThat would explain the aimless wandering through the desert for 40 years.
March 4th, 2008 at 11:25 amWell Shit,
If Moses was stoned, and America is a Christian Nation then we need to legalize drugs… God wants it that way!
Dontcha see the connection?
March 4th, 2008 at 11:46 amas far as Joan of Arc voices, late investgations show that she was part of the royal family ; the myth of a divine inspiration was created to impress the Brits who feared God at that time ; now a big deal has been created with that myth, it is difficult to renounce to the money business that goes with it
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uh huh … Explain her ability to not only get an entire army of MEN to FOLLOW her, (basically a LITTLE GIRL), into battle but to have THEM see and trust her as their leader …
Explain her battlefield successes, as PREDICTED by her “voices”.
Explain why at least TWO major countries at that time in world history, France and England, felt the need to burn her to death and be rid of her. And France not only hasn’t been able to get over their betrayal of her, but can’t seem to recognize the curse that fell upon them all these centuries after forsaking her.
Give them time, France will find some way to “burn” Pres. Nicolas Sarkozy …
Don’t fook with Joan … She’s MY Gen. Petraeus …
March 4th, 2008 at 12:46 pmThe Joan of Arc episode is more proof of the First Law of French Warfare: French armies do better when not led by a Frenchman. Their greatest military heroes are a woman and a Corsican. And in the end they killed both, Joan at the stake, Napleon with poison.
March 4th, 2008 at 1:41 pmThis is a bunch of hooey. But I have just one comment.
You don’t need to go to the AMAZON to take psychedelic drugs to “see music.”
March 4th, 2008 at 2:10 pmdrillanwr
“Now a new book has sparked anger among historians by claiming the Maid of Orléans was not an illiterate peasant but a royal. She did not hear voices and was not burned at the stake, but escaped with the help of English soldiers and went on to live a happily married life.
In L’Affaire Jeanne d’Arc, or the Joan of Arc Affair, French investigative journalist Marcel Gay and former secret service agent Roger Senzig claim that France’s most famous virgin peasant was the illegitimate daughter of the French queen consort, Isabeau of Bavaria, who groomed her for use as a political puppet. They claim Joan was manipulated in a cover-up they call Operation Virgin.
Joan was not inspired by voices from heaven to lead troops to miraculously lift the siege of Orléans and save France from English domination. Gay says she was trained for warfare, taught languages and well-educated for her mission. After her trial for heresy in 1431, she escaped, and an unknown woman was burned in her place. She later married a French knight, Robert des Armoises.
“She spoke English and it was the English who saved her from the stake,” Gay told the Guardian. “Everything we were taught at school was wrong.”
French medievalists this week rubbished the book, saying it rehashed discredited ideas to satisfy the booming audience of conspiracy theorists intent on dismantling the Jeanne d’Arc story. The publisher said the work fitted the trend for Da Vinci Code-style investigations debunking official history.
Joan of Arc has inspired an industry with more than 20,000 books published in France, around 50 films and, recently, video games. This year forensic scientists carried out tests on Joan’s “relics” - bones and linen fragments discovered in the attic of a Paris pharmacy in 1867. Analysis showed the bones belonged to someone who died between the 6th and 3rd centuries BC and had been mummified in a way typical of ancient Egypt.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6527105.stm
if you consider that in the middle-ages there were 2 classes of people, the nobles and the villans ;
it was absolutely impossible that a villan coming from a province that spoke a dialect could speak fluentely french and english,thus was understood from the king and the troops(she was from both royal families : England and France, 1/2 sister of the king of France, the niece of the king of England), that a noble king would give her a horse and and an army,(never to a villan)and the royal etendards ; she coud also ride a horse, wore men clothes (absolutely forbidden at that time), fought with a sword… she even said twice in her trial that she had never looked after sheep… a fake was burnt at her place (she had the head covered)
the author gives his arguments (in french) :
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3b0th_laffaire-jeanne-darc_politics
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3b0th_laffaire-jeanne-darc_politics
Titic, I am afraid, each time, the britishs made it !
and Sarko be better take care, cause with the religion bias, and his blah blah and no actions, he’ll get burnt too
March 4th, 2008 at 4:04 pmSorry, I won’t be swayed …
[[French medievalists this week rubbished the book, saying it rehashed discredited ideas to satisfy the booming audience of conspiracy theorists intent on dismantling the Jeanne d’Arc story. The publisher said the work fitted the trend for Da Vinci Code-style investigations debunking official history.]]
Let’s not forget, just a couple years ago Christ’s supposed brother’s tomb was discovered … There ARE people out there trying to “revise” what is Christian history … I don’t see a hell of a lot of concern or effort being put forth to do the same for any other religion’s history.
`nuff said …
March 4th, 2008 at 5:44 pmthe difference with the “da vinci code” is that that were real investigations into the ancient texts ;
March 5th, 2008 at 1:43 amit’s also a question of “bon sens” (good sense) : as far as the “medievists” are concerned, one should know how “academists” are pitbulls on their bone ;
they don’t like that an outsider comes into their holy sanctuary and stirs their shit with a logic stic.
That’s also their “business conferences” that could come to hell ;
as far as me, I am on the side of the “bon sens” ; I don’t believe in this “divine inspiration” : it’s just a “rude” spying story : that the church and the divine royaulty orchestrated.
Now, that doesn’t ternish the valor of Joan herself as a “man of war” on the ground ;
she just was the right person at the times, her brother, the king was mental weacked person : kind of silly !