Comments on: Bashage Award! Customer With CCW Wastes Would-Be Robber https://pat-dollard.com/2008/05/bashage-award-customer-with-ccw-wastes-would-be-robber/ The latest in policital news and the war in Iraq Fri, 25 Jul 2008 03:40:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: John Goodrow https://pat-dollard.com/2008/05/bashage-award-customer-with-ccw-wastes-would-be-robber/#comment-157374 John Goodrow Fri, 09 May 2008 21:35:45 +0000 https://pat-dollard.com/2008/05/bashage-award-customer-with-ccw-wastes-would-be-robber/#comment-157374 Shopping for a CC pistol right now. Debating between a small 357 pocket pistol and a compact semi-auto, any thoughts? So many guns, so little money. Shopping for a CC pistol right now. Debating between a small 357 pocket pistol and a compact semi-auto, any thoughts?

So many guns, so little money.

]]> By: VA Flagwaver https://pat-dollard.com/2008/05/bashage-award-customer-with-ccw-wastes-would-be-robber/#comment-157379 VA Flagwaver Fri, 09 May 2008 21:45:39 +0000 https://pat-dollard.com/2008/05/bashage-award-customer-with-ccw-wastes-would-be-robber/#comment-157379 I have a Sig 232 as my CCW and I love it!! It's compact and very reliable. I have a Sig 232 as my CCW and I love it!! It’s compact and very reliable.

]]> By: Maynard https://pat-dollard.com/2008/05/bashage-award-customer-with-ccw-wastes-would-be-robber/#comment-157380 Maynard Fri, 09 May 2008 21:46:45 +0000 https://pat-dollard.com/2008/05/bashage-award-customer-with-ccw-wastes-would-be-robber/#comment-157380 Of course there was some innocent crown royal in the way! :gun: :beer: :roll: Of course there was some innocent crown royal in the way! :gun: :beer: :roll:

]]> By: TBinSTL (just typical) https://pat-dollard.com/2008/05/bashage-award-customer-with-ccw-wastes-would-be-robber/#comment-157409 TBinSTL (just typical) Fri, 09 May 2008 22:37:24 +0000 https://pat-dollard.com/2008/05/bashage-award-customer-with-ccw-wastes-would-be-robber/#comment-157409 :arrow: John Goodrow How are you planning to carry and how big are you? It makes a real difference. I'm heavy but have smallish hands(sorry to dissapoint ladies) I carry in the small of the back with a horizontal holster for good concealment with a decent sized gun. Usually that's my Browning HP that I have customized myself. Some people don't like 9mm but I'm good so I can rely on shot placement. I'm ok with small revolvers but recoil can be a bitch with a small grip if you have large hands. :gun: :gun: :gun: :beer: :arrow: John Goodrow
How are you planning to carry and how big are you? It makes a real difference.
I’m heavy but have smallish hands(sorry to dissapoint ladies) I carry in the small of the back with a horizontal holster for good concealment with a decent sized gun. Usually that’s my Browning HP that I have customized myself. Some people don’t like 9mm but I’m good so I can rely on shot placement.
I’m ok with small revolvers but recoil can be a bitch with a small grip if you have large hands.
:gun: :gun: :gun: :beer:

]]> By: John Goodrow https://pat-dollard.com/2008/05/bashage-award-customer-with-ccw-wastes-would-be-robber/#comment-157422 John Goodrow Fri, 09 May 2008 23:06:36 +0000 https://pat-dollard.com/2008/05/bashage-award-customer-with-ccw-wastes-would-be-robber/#comment-157422 :arrow: TBinSTL (just typical) I'm about 5'8" 170. I was considering the ultra-light Smith and Wesson 357 for a pocket pistol but the grip is too small and only holds five rounds. Now I'm leaning toward a Para Ordinance Hawg 45. The Beratta Px4 storm has caught my eye too but not sure how concealable that would be. :arrow: TBinSTL (just typical)

I’m about 5′8″ 170. I was considering the ultra-light Smith and Wesson 357 for a pocket pistol but the grip is too small and only holds five rounds. Now I’m leaning toward a Para Ordinance Hawg 45. The Beratta Px4 storm has caught my eye too but not sure how concealable that would be.

]]> By: a Golden BB https://pat-dollard.com/2008/05/bashage-award-customer-with-ccw-wastes-would-be-robber/#comment-157425 a Golden BB Fri, 09 May 2008 23:09:36 +0000 https://pat-dollard.com/2008/05/bashage-award-customer-with-ccw-wastes-would-be-robber/#comment-157425 Mark one up for the good guys. However, had that happened here in Indiana the customer would probably be going to jail. You can't carry a firearm into an establishment that has a liquor license. :evil: To Mr Goodrow I carry a full frame .45acp, Ruger P90. I'm only 5'8" 145lbs, it was pretty funny to go places when friends started plinking. Their eyes got real big when I'd pull it from concealment. They're like, "How the f*** did I not see that?" I like the knock-down drag-out of a .45. No matter where you hit someone they're goin' down, knocked senseless. Giving a precious moment to reassess and evaluate the situation. Whatever you get, practice, practice, practice. My #1 thing is to draw from concealment and hit a 4in spinner at ~20ft. Mark one up for the good guys.
However, had that happened here in Indiana the customer would probably be going to jail.
You can’t carry a firearm into an establishment that has a liquor license. :evil:

To Mr Goodrow
I carry a full frame .45acp, Ruger P90.
I’m only 5′8″ 145lbs, it was pretty funny to go places when friends started plinking.
Their eyes got real big when I’d pull it from concealment.
They’re like, “How the f*** did I not see that?”

I like the knock-down drag-out of a .45.
No matter where you hit someone they’re goin’ down, knocked senseless.
Giving a precious moment to reassess and evaluate the situation.

Whatever you get, practice, practice, practice.
My #1 thing is to draw from concealment and hit a 4in spinner at ~20ft.

]]> By: Mike Mose https://pat-dollard.com/2008/05/bashage-award-customer-with-ccw-wastes-would-be-robber/#comment-157431 Mike Mose Fri, 09 May 2008 23:13:09 +0000 https://pat-dollard.com/2008/05/bashage-award-customer-with-ccw-wastes-would-be-robber/#comment-157431 calling 911 is like calling the clean up crew. calling 911 is like calling the clean up crew.

]]> By: a Golden BB https://pat-dollard.com/2008/05/bashage-award-customer-with-ccw-wastes-would-be-robber/#comment-157434 a Golden BB Fri, 09 May 2008 23:17:21 +0000 https://pat-dollard.com/2008/05/bashage-award-customer-with-ccw-wastes-would-be-robber/#comment-157434 I use an in the waist holster and cross draw. The upper frame riding right in the fold of my leg at the groin. I use an in the waist holster and cross draw.
The upper frame riding right in the fold of my leg at the groin.

]]> By: Kevin M https://pat-dollard.com/2008/05/bashage-award-customer-with-ccw-wastes-would-be-robber/#comment-157438 Kevin M Fri, 09 May 2008 23:19:30 +0000 https://pat-dollard.com/2008/05/bashage-award-customer-with-ccw-wastes-would-be-robber/#comment-157438 :arrow: John Goodrow I don't have one, but I have heard RAVES about the Kimber Ultra Carry II .45 cal. Kimber is a very high quality manufacturer, and the .45 cal has, so I am told, the best stopping power of any round. I am no expert, but if I intend to shoot somebody I want a 12-gauge. If that is impractical, the .45 is my round of choice. :arrow: John Goodrow

I don’t have one, but I have heard RAVES about the Kimber Ultra Carry II .45 cal.

Kimber is a very high quality manufacturer, and the .45 cal has, so I am told, the best stopping power of any round.

I am no expert, but if I intend to shoot somebody I want a 12-gauge. If that is impractical, the .45 is my round of choice.

]]> By: Birdddog https://pat-dollard.com/2008/05/bashage-award-customer-with-ccw-wastes-would-be-robber/#comment-157460 Birdddog Fri, 09 May 2008 23:46:56 +0000 https://pat-dollard.com/2008/05/bashage-award-customer-with-ccw-wastes-would-be-robber/#comment-157460 I am going to use some of my tax check to get my CCW. :gun: I am going to use some of my tax check to get my CCW. :gun:

]]> By: Bill https://pat-dollard.com/2008/05/bashage-award-customer-with-ccw-wastes-would-be-robber/#comment-157467 Bill Sat, 10 May 2008 00:00:58 +0000 https://pat-dollard.com/2008/05/bashage-award-customer-with-ccw-wastes-would-be-robber/#comment-157467 Smith & Wesson M&P is my carry. I have a Kimber Ultra CDP II and that only holds 7 rounds. Notice in the story there were about 10 rounds exchanged. I like the 17 in my M&P 9MM Acoustic Suppression has to count for something. If he's ducking he's not shooting. :gun: :cool: Smith & Wesson M&P is my carry. I have a Kimber Ultra CDP II and that only holds 7 rounds. Notice in the story there were about 10 rounds exchanged. I like the 17 in my M&P 9MM
Acoustic Suppression has to count for something.
If he’s ducking he’s not shooting.
:gun: :cool:

]]> By: Sully0811 https://pat-dollard.com/2008/05/bashage-award-customer-with-ccw-wastes-would-be-robber/#comment-157486 Sully0811 Sat, 10 May 2008 00:40:38 +0000 https://pat-dollard.com/2008/05/bashage-award-customer-with-ccw-wastes-would-be-robber/#comment-157486 The only thing I have to say about the whole magazine size, caliber, hole size debate is Shot Placement is greater than all of them put together. Go with a weapon you're comfortable shooting that you can get rounds on target on time. Then buy a box of +p+ or hydra-shocks. As for the story, good to go. More ammunition to throw in the face of the anti-rights crowd. The only thing I have to say about the whole magazine size, caliber, hole size debate is Shot Placement is greater than all of them put together. Go with a weapon you’re comfortable shooting that you can get rounds on target on time. Then buy a box of +p+ or hydra-shocks.

As for the story, good to go. More ammunition to throw in the face of the anti-rights crowd.

]]> By: Tommyknocker https://pat-dollard.com/2008/05/bashage-award-customer-with-ccw-wastes-would-be-robber/#comment-157521 Tommyknocker Sat, 10 May 2008 02:02:32 +0000 https://pat-dollard.com/2008/05/bashage-award-customer-with-ccw-wastes-would-be-robber/#comment-157521 It sucks that my small town here in CA. will NOT issue a CCW permit to anyone. We have a liberal police chief that lives in another town...how screwed up is that? Just in case I ever DID get a permit, I have a CZ 75 Rami in 40 S&W... It sucks that my small town here in CA. will NOT issue a CCW permit to anyone. We have a liberal police chief that lives in another town…how screwed up is that? Just in case I ever DID get a permit, I have a CZ 75 Rami in 40 S&W…

]]> By: One Shot https://pat-dollard.com/2008/05/bashage-award-customer-with-ccw-wastes-would-be-robber/#comment-157529 One Shot Sat, 10 May 2008 02:10:56 +0000 https://pat-dollard.com/2008/05/bashage-award-customer-with-ccw-wastes-would-be-robber/#comment-157529 JG, if you are serious about stopping a bad guy, use something that starts with a "4". Then, use a heavy weight Speer Gold Dot as it is one of the few projectiles that can meet every last one of the FBI test protocals. Learn to make a decision that you can live with the rest of your life as quickly as possible and then learn to shoot deliberately. Do not stop pulling the trigger with deliberate and well-aimed shots until the bad guy has ceased his actions. JG, if you are serious about stopping a bad guy, use something that starts with a “4″. Then, use a heavy weight Speer Gold Dot as it is one of the few projectiles that can meet every last one of the FBI test protocals.

Learn to make a decision that you can live with the rest of your life as quickly as possible and then learn to shoot deliberately. Do not stop pulling the trigger with deliberate and well-aimed shots until the bad guy has ceased his actions.

]]> By: TBinSTL (just typical) https://pat-dollard.com/2008/05/bashage-award-customer-with-ccw-wastes-would-be-robber/#comment-157567 TBinSTL (just typical) Sat, 10 May 2008 03:04:43 +0000 https://pat-dollard.com/2008/05/bashage-award-customer-with-ccw-wastes-would-be-robber/#comment-157567 The only gunleather that I have found that works well with a full size(especially double stack) gun is like this one. I have a Para Ordnance that is <i>almost</i> concealable with this style of holster. https://www.gunleather.com/cart/shopexd.asp?id=25 If you wear a jacket most of the time you have other options. BTW my ParaOrd was built to my specs by an "old school" Marine armorer who builds guns for a lot of famous shooters including Ayoob. It is not only carryable(barely) but is also the weapon I used to compete with in Action Pistol. The only gunleather that I have found that works well with a full size(especially double stack) gun is like this one. I have a Para Ordnance that is almost concealable with this style of holster.
https://www.gunleather.com/cart/shopexd.asp?id=25

If you wear a jacket most of the time you have other options.

BTW my ParaOrd was built to my specs by an “old school” Marine armorer who builds guns for a lot of famous shooters including Ayoob. It is not only carryable(barely) but is also the weapon I used to compete with in Action Pistol.

]]> By: rightangle https://pat-dollard.com/2008/05/bashage-award-customer-with-ccw-wastes-would-be-robber/#comment-157819 rightangle Sat, 10 May 2008 16:27:40 +0000 https://pat-dollard.com/2008/05/bashage-award-customer-with-ccw-wastes-would-be-robber/#comment-157819 Good news reporting, I liked the end: "they (workers at Sinkers) have plans to protect themselves in the near future." Good news reporting, I liked the end: “they (workers at Sinkers) have plans to protect themselves in the near future.”

]]> By: Kirk https://pat-dollard.com/2008/05/bashage-award-customer-with-ccw-wastes-would-be-robber/#comment-157852 Kirk Sat, 10 May 2008 17:19:25 +0000 https://pat-dollard.com/2008/05/bashage-award-customer-with-ccw-wastes-would-be-robber/#comment-157852 Maybe this will help: I've found the Glock 36 & 30 in .45ACP to be excellent and easy to carry under a T-shirt, (good in hot weather), using the following equipment: C-T.A.C. Holster (inside-the-pants) by Comp-Tac; Wilderness Tactical Instructor Belt (1.5-inch "5-Stitch"), and for a magazine carrier, I like the Eagle Industries Folding Knife Sheath which will carry 13-Round Glock .45 magazines as well as the Glock 36/30 mags, (vertical or horizontal). For the Glock 36 mags I like the 1-round extension for the reload only, with the original mag length for concealment. With the 1-round mag extension, Wolf extra-power magazine springs are essential. http://www.comp-tac.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=28&products_id=61 (Comp-Tac). http://store.thewilderness.com/product_info.php?cPath=43&products_id=1186 (Wilderness Tactical belt). http://www.eagleindustries.com/prd_detail.asp?ProdID=522&CatID=83&SubCatID=77&offset=20 (Eagle Industries). Hope this helps. Maybe this will help: I’ve found the Glock 36 & 30 in .45ACP to be excellent and easy to carry under a T-shirt, (good in hot weather), using the following equipment:
C-T.A.C. Holster (inside-the-pants) by Comp-Tac; Wilderness Tactical Instructor Belt (1.5-inch “5-Stitch”), and for a magazine carrier, I like the Eagle Industries Folding Knife Sheath which will carry 13-Round Glock .45 magazines as well as the Glock 36/30 mags, (vertical or horizontal). For the Glock 36 mags I like the 1-round extension for the reload only, with the original mag length for concealment. With the 1-round mag extension, Wolf extra-power magazine springs are essential.
http://www.comp-tac.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=28&products_id=61 (Comp-Tac). http://store.thewilderness.com/product_info.php?cPath=43&products_id=1186 (Wilderness Tactical belt). http://www.eagleindustries.com/prd_detail.asp?ProdID=522&CatID=83&SubCatID=77&offset=20 (Eagle Industries). Hope this helps.

]]> By: RVN68MIKE https://pat-dollard.com/2008/05/bashage-award-customer-with-ccw-wastes-would-be-robber/#comment-197421 RVN68MIKE Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:53:25 +0000 https://pat-dollard.com/2008/05/bashage-award-customer-with-ccw-wastes-would-be-robber/#comment-197421 I carry a .45 in a US shoulder holster under my left arm and always have. Only difference from wearing same outfit while in the service is the shirt is on the outside now! No one has ever suspected I'm carrying. I carry a .45 in a US shoulder holster under my left arm and always have. Only difference from wearing same outfit while in the service is the shirt is on the outside now! No one has ever suspected I’m carrying.

]]> By: RVN68MIKE https://pat-dollard.com/2008/05/bashage-award-customer-with-ccw-wastes-would-be-robber/#comment-197426 RVN68MIKE Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:56:56 +0000 https://pat-dollard.com/2008/05/bashage-award-customer-with-ccw-wastes-would-be-robber/#comment-197426 PS I shoot Black Talon, teflon coated hollow-point. PS I shoot Black Talon, teflon coated hollow-point.

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