Yet these weak human minds can discern the workings of the universe and extend our collective understanding of it?

Einstein was a great scientist, whose views in the realm of physics should be respected, but he was neither theologian, nor philosopher. His understanding of religion and of philosophical issues is so simplistic, that it verges on childish, but, by his own admission, he was no authority on the matter, either. You don’t go to a physicist on issues of religious studies, as you wouldn’t go to chemist for a medical checkup. Their jobs may be connected to those other fields, but that doesn’t make them experts.

I AM will not allow Himself to be put in a box. FOr example, Genesis says male and female he created them in his own image… so God personifies both male and female attributes and He told Job the earth was round and Abraham the stars were not numberable…. so we error by not knowing the Scripture - even Einstein.

Einstein’s world —> cosmos

his perception of religion wasn’t of a dogmatic one, but more as a spiritual empathy for the universe ; a bit of the same spirit that inspired our Cromagnon ancestry in rupestral caverns

Our understanding of the true nature of matter is limited. We have gotten down to the level of quarks but lack the equipement to keep going and thusly some are suggesting an entire new way of looking at matter needs to be developed. Science for decades also beleived that light traveled at a constant velocity and now we know that’s not true either. And because of this, Einsteins theory of relativity is also being reanalyzed as well.

Lastly, our understanding of universe is only scratching the surface. Everything from how the sun works to the workings of the gravity are still a mystery. When I finished grad school I had more questions about how the universe works than when I started and this is actually quite common.

We owe a tremendous amount to Einstein but just because he held a certain opinion regarding the afterlife and the Creator of the universe doesn’t sway mine whatsoever.

I go to a United Reformed Church and I brew my own beer and would make my own cigars if tobacco grew in California. John Calvin, one of the fathers of the Reformed perspective on scripture was at times paid in beer.

C.S. Lewis

“You must realize that Newton is the inventor of calculus and advanced mathematics and half of physics is named after him”

yeah, as each stupid French that attended school

“And BTW, why is it that the mythical Cromagnon man went extinct, along with Neanderthal and every other supposed transitionary organism, but yet their ancestors and decendents both seemed to survive?”

a guess, the human creation occured 6000 years ago

though according to a french stupid fellow : in the middle of XIXth century, Alcide d’Orbigny assured that the Earth had almost crossed 24 to 26 successive creations, followed with equal numbers of catastrophes that each time made the whole animal life disappearing… kinda fantasy though

I think scientists look for logical solutions for everything, it is in their nature and their minds demand proof. That doesn’t necessarily preclude faith, but it can’t help either. When I was young, I felt that way, ‘where’s the beef?’. I wanted proof, but I think really I just wanted justification for being nihilistic.

It seems illogical, but as I have gotten older I feel like I need Jesus more and more, the more I learn, the more I need Him.

Once I got past me, me, me, (still working on it really) and found that I could lay down my heavy load by having faith, made me stronger than before. If that is childish, then I suggest everyone start acting like kids again.

I often pray:

Dear Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell. Lead all souls to Heaven, especially those most in need of Thy mercy.

That would include Einstein…

Help me out here bash or drill. That’s some pretty sanctimonious shit out of a moral relativist lib that’s posted previously that it doesn’t believe in God ….in a posting on religion and God.

“steve m, when was the last time that you had a proper thought ? ”

Help me out here bash or drill. That’s some pretty sanctimonious shit out of a moral relativist lib that’s posted previously that it doesn’t believe in God ….in a posting on religion and God.
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In that smog-filled realm of moral relativism I find those who live and worship there more often than not suffer from a
form of Tourette’s Syndrome that causes the inflicted to spout-off such “sanctimonious shit” …

Unfortunately, there is NO cure for the ailment.

However … I would favor a detailed explanation of the term “proper thought” from the Underverse of moral relativism?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9j-OlodOhn4&feature=related

would that keep you busy for a while ?

Well there you go franchie… how bout it???
All your morals come from Google and Wikipedia too??

apart his librarist mind, I hardly found a quote that wasn’t of Steve M

I must I missed Marc Twain for that one

comme toi, même mal, même remède :

http://plato.stanford.edu/contents.html

na, the vid is thae woman that you have in your salon

There are no assumed parts of science? I don’t think so.

Alltel underverse is OK by you ?

“You must realize that Newton is the inventor of calculus and advanced mathematics and half of physics is named after him” - Franchie

This most beautiful system [The Universe] could only proceed from the dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being.” - Isaac Newton

You must realize physics and calculus are just some of the Lords tools…He created them. It’s his handy work. Some folks have just been clever enough to “discover” them.

..I feel sorry for you Franchie…sitting there in that little boil on thew ass of europe you dwell in. Just because you have no belief in God, does not negate his existence. We who do realize something that isn’t apparent to you for your Darwinist head is limited by it’s own arrogance, blindness, and human secularism. Consider that we who do beleive, if we are wrong, in the end have lost nothing. If you are wrong in the end you have lost everything, and for all eternity as well. It’s your decision. Some people like to claim they beleive Jesus existed and that he was a good teacher, a prophet. But you cannot have it that way. When you examine His claims you either have to accept that He was who He said he was, or that He was a liar and/or a lunatic. It’s one or the other. I suggest while you sit there pondering your gaullic navel, in that once great part of the world, that you actually open and study The Word, read the New Testament. Study the life of Saul of Tarsus. Read C.S. Lewis…Ask yourself - Why would the remaining apostles suffer persecution and death they way they did when they could have easily just denied the whole “Christ” thing to spare their lives?…

“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this the judgment”…oops sorry Franchie, there I go again..quoting someone else.

“You must realize that Newton is the inventor of calculus and advanced mathematics and half of physics is named after him” - Franchie

do the polish preachers don’t need glasses ?

where did I made this “proper thought” ?

BTW, I am not apologing atheism or so, just that Einstein’s expression of a cosmic religious feeling could fit my “proper thoughts”

Oh, I did see your site and I must say that if my dog had a face like yours I would have to shave his ass and teach him to walk backwards.

Polish preachers?…Though my ancestry is Polish, I am not.

might be the universal gravitation

No you don’t.

And when it comes to a ’shooting war’ on “proper thought”, you shoot yourself in the face every time.

“And when it comes to a ’shooting war’ on “proper thought”, you shoot yourself in the face every time.”

a rotten apple proper thought

you followed my blog, you know all about my proper thoughts,

Do you know, Noah had a nice supply of on the Ark.

I am sure it made the cruise all the better

Now, like I asked, let’s hear your justification for moral relativism.

My apologies for my dog comment. It was uncalled for.

bon soir

To me that comment speaks of scientific Creationism, not evolution.

Johannes Kepler, Sir Issac Newton and Blaise Pascal were all scientific creationists.

Kepler I believe speaks for the aforementioned when he said of his scientific discoveries: “O, God I am thinking thy thoughts after thee”.

If great scientists like Kepler, Pascal and Newton believed in the partnership of Christianity and science, then what’s the problem today?

Perhaps it is because scientists are now their own gods with evolotion being just a metaphysical doctrine decked out in a lab coat; with no need of any god except maybe gaia.

Yeah, Mother Earth will save you alright. Here’s the reason for existence in science devoid of God:

“We no longer feel ourselves to be guests in someone else’s home and therefore obliged to make our behavior conform to a set of prexisting cosmic rules. We establish the parameters of reality. We make the rules….We are responsible for nothing outside of ourselves for we are the kingdom, the power and the glory forever and ever. (Jeremy Rifkin Algeny pg 244)”

So much “vain bablings” in evolution.

your are forgiven

amigo ?

Make no mistake Moe, it takes more faith to believe that life arose from non living chemicals than to believe that a supernatural being was involved in life. At the end of the day you must believe in the afore mentioned if you don’t believe in God, it’s the irreducible point. Either God, or non living chemicals and fanciful non-existent processes are responsible for life on earth. Life which varies from bacteria to mankind. Don’t you find it interesting that we as humans sit around and contemplate our own existence and purpose? We are unique in creation, no other organism does such a thing.

I saw the movie Expelled two weeks ago and although I am all to aware of the persecution towards those who don’t believe in evolution, which is present in institutions of higher learning, this movie will forever put to rest the notion that atheism is not a religion. Choosing to believe that is no God is still just as much a belief as mine that there is. Ben Stein also does a great job showing the profound lack of evidence to support evolution.

The world has been sold a bill of goods and so deceived into thinking that evolution and the big bangs are facts. In addition Stein also shows the relation between Darwin and Nazism and the same can be said for Communism. Equating man to animals makes it morally possible to purge the human gene pool of less desirables. That is precisely what the Eugenics movement sought to give us, a truly dark day in American medicine.

As a chemist I can tell you that evolution and the big bang violate every law of thermodynamics and every time Steven Hawking opens his mouth he comes up with an even more fanciful explanation because the previous one didn’t work out.

If you don’t want to live an existence like Pascal proposed with his wager that’s fine. But don’t come up with nonsense to support a preconceived notion and tell me it sound science.

Mark Tanberg

Glad to know someone is listening.

http://www.antievolution.org/features/wedge.html

convenient strategy for a politicy though !

None argued that such an “intelligent design” explained what the people could not understand till the 18 th century.

from then science became an open-field for researches based on logic, doubt, repetition of experiences that corroborate a dicovering.

“the relation between Darwin and Nazism and the same can be said for Communism. Equating man to animals makes it morally possible to purge the human gene pool of less desirables.”

yeah, but Inquisition, and Torquemada fellows in south America, made also the so called “creation belivers” look not very christians

that said, evil is found in both theories

look for a missing link ?

http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/benton2.html

http://www.antievolution.org/features/wedge.html

convenient strategy for a politicy though !

None argued that such an “intelligent design” explained what the people could not understand till the 18 th century.

from then science became an open-field for researches based on logic, doubt, repetition of experiences that corroborate a dicovering.

“the relation between Darwin and Nazism and the same can be said for Communism. Equating man to animals makes it morally possible to purge the human gene pool of less desirables.”

yeah, but Inquisition, and Torquemada fellows in south America, made also the so called “creation belivers” look not very christians

that said, evil is found in both theories

look for a missing link ?

http : // www.actionbioscience. org/evolution/benton2.html

intellignt design vs materialim

http://www.antievolution.org/features/wedge.html

convenient strategy for a politicy though !

None argued that such an “intelligent design” explained what the people could not understand till the 18 th century.

from then science became an open-field for researches based on logic, doubt, repetition of experiences that corroborate a dicovering.

“the relation between Darwin and Nazism and the same can be said for Communism. Equating man to animals makes it morally possible to purge the human gene pool of less desirables.”

yeah, but Inquisition, and Torquemada fellows in south America, made also the so called “creation belivers” look not very christians

that said, evil is found in both theories

All I can do is pray for the blind to see and be thankful that God has chosen to reveal himself to me…in things like… my cats paw, a clownfish, the SKY, American troops, with no fear of their own death invading Baghdad and releasing little Iraqi boys being held in prison by an evil dictator.

I find it also significant that the renewing with a “creation credo” coincided with the Reagan times

if you wanted to recall that the marines had to come in Europe in 1944, yes. They weren’t aware they were giving there life in a religious crusade though, but more in fighting a monster that ruined any “good” geopolitical project

yeah, I know that the evolutionary transitions link is the fighting horse argument for the Creationists… I am on the wrong computer, I’ll bring more argument links later on.

http://www.sullivan-county.com/nf0/fundienazis/25_answers.htm