Hitler usually concluded this historical speculation by remarking “You see, it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the Japansese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?”

In the end it was his opposition to Christian ideals that doomed Hitler, had he not been as radical a leader he may have been more successful. Hitler was a very provincial thinker, can’t really say he was that intellectually gifted, passionate yes, a great thinker no. He ultimately destroyed whatever he touched, I’d say he had a failure complex much the same as radical Islam. The further down the road the Islamist’s go, the worse their decisions will be.

After all, the Arab Muslims all get along fantastically, don’t they? Oh, wait…

Funny how that works. I think the same thing distiguished the French Revolution from the American version. France tried to “dechristianize” even rewriting their calendar…I think September was then “grape harvest” and July was “heat” and lets not forget that during the French Rev. instead of most days having a saint as in the Roman Catholic calendar of saints, each day had an animal (days ending in 5), a tool (days ending in 0) or else a plant or mineral (all other days) associated with it. It culminated with the French celebrating the “Goddess of Reason” in Notre Dame and of course this was done by force and there was that little thing called the terror when it all erupted in a blood bath. Funny how people tend to conveniently forget the role Christianity plays in history.

http://media1.terrorismawareness.org/files/TheIslamicMeinKampf.pdf

I’ve never really been aware of the connection between Nazism and Islamism except that some of theWaffen SS foreign muslim divisions were used in various theaters of the war. It’s an interesting history that needs to be brought to the west’s attention. It is said that 8,000 SS leaders escaped to the middle east after the war. Now I know how they got the Baathist party and Hamas gets their goofy salute.

http://www.oldwardogs.us/files/PaliNaziSalute.jpg

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Tedders, you forgot that the german army wasn’t completely infeoded to Hitler, there have had a few attempts to assassinate him ; the gestapo had all the power, even to eliminate a colonel that didn’t want to optemperate.

I learnt anyway something tonight about Hitler’s enclinments for religion ; till now I had the impression that the cult of Nature and naturism were more in the nazy imagination.

I don’t think that the religious thing had something to do with his fail, or you have good sources that I ignore.

From: http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id11.html

“The preoccupation with animal protection in Nazi Germany was evident in other social institutions and continued almost until the end of World War II. In 1934, the new government hosted an international conference on animal protection in Berlin. Over the speaker’s podium, surrounded by enormous swastikas, were the words “Entire epochs of love will be needed to repay animals for their value and service”. In1936 the German Society for Animal Psychology was founded, and in 1938 animal protection was accepted as a subject to be studied in German public schools and universities.”
Many individuals in Nazi Germany genuinely believed in the “rights” of non-human animals, yet they simultaneously were capable of cruel behavior against members of the Jewish faith. Not only that, but they went as far as using animal protection as a justification for their inhumanity to the Jewish people, as explained by Arluke and Sax.

Goebbels, Nazi Minister of Propaganda, noted:
“The Fuhrer is deeply religous, though completely anti-Christian. He views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race… Both [Judaism and Christianity] have no point of contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end, they will be destroyed.”

Hitler wanted Nazism to replace Christianity. Blind social Darwinism instead of Christian morals.

The point I was trying to make about Hitler’s opposition to Christian ideals was that without the wholesale murder of civilians, a very un Christian thing to do, his legacy might not be regarded as the standard of evil that it is. Surely if he had not treated his prisoners and refugees as badly as he did more of them would have been willing to fight for him instead of against him. I’ve seen it written that if the WWI corporal had been killed in 1938, he would be considered a modern day Bismark. Hitler loved nature, animals, was a teetotaler, pro gun control advocate and was a vegetarian (not to far from today’s Democratic party!), yet was one of the biggest mass murderer’s in history. The Nazi regime, particularly Goring passed many of the forestry and game management laws that are still on the books and enforced today. The Nazi regime was first organized eco terrorists group if you will!! LOL They make Green Peace and Peta look like school kids!!

I knew about the interdiction of smoking cigarets, that is also why today Germany still didn’t pass the law about prohibition of them in public places, that reminds too much the nazy era.

I didn’t know that they pushed so far the “animals rights, though Germany’s best advertising is also “Delikatessen”, that didn’t start after WWII but is a tradition.

about Hitler’s aversion for the catholic church, I am a bit surprised, isn’t it Bavaria the Catholic land that supported his accession to power, the Munchen putsch ?

Also the roman catholic church in the person of Pia XII didn’t voice against the nazys, and even helped some of them to escape to latin America.

the article you provided has some info, but it focus them for an agenda, saying that theactual pro- peta and “greens” came from that nazy ideology, I am not saying it’s wrong, but too reductive

This article is great stuff. Religion of peace my fanny.

Pia XII has past all his nonciature exercice in Germany pre-WWII and still had good relations there

Hamas and Hizbullshitta all emulate the Nazis. They don’t march in the traditional British fashion; they goosestep and render the Nazi salute.

The idea of an Aryan race lives in the Muslim idea in the Koran that “the Arabs are the best people”.

The very basic tenets of Sharia (e.g.)emanate with the assumption that Allah has chosen the believers (i.e., the Muslims) to rule the world. It might sound fascistic, but make no mistake: the Qur’an is absolutely determined to hand over the rule of the world to the followers of Islam: more specifically, to the Bedouin Arabs. Because Islam = Arabism. In the Qur’an (3:104, 3:110) Allah says that Arabs are the best of people ever created.

All non-Arabs are considered to be “untermenschen”.

More examples of the Nazistic ideas of Islam are:

1. A Muslim must not be killed for killing an infidel (Hadis and ibn Kathir’s interpretation of verse 5:45 ).
2. Believers and non-believers are not equal…6:50, 28:61, 32:19, 35:19-22, 38:28, 39:9, 40:58, 45:21, 59:20, 67:22, 68:35.
3.The husband’s permission is required for a wife to work (Doi, p.117).
Beating a wife is allowed (Doi, p.130).
The wife must worship the husband. Unbridled freedom of modern women is not good (Doi, p.132).
Muslim women can’t marry unbelievers under any circumstances (Doi, p.138).
The guardian of a woman must be a male. A woman cannot be married by herself. A widow can marry by herself (Doi, p.141).
4. Stoning to death for adultery (married person, man or woman) (o12.2, p.610).
5.Fornication: scourge 100 stripes and banish 81 km for 1 year (for unmarried persons) (o12.2, p.610).
Men scourged standing, women sitting (o12.5, p.611).
6.Stone the adulterer/adulteress even in severe cold or illness (o12.6, p.611).
7. Sodomy and lesbianism considered as adultery; same punishment; kill both for sodomy (p17.2, p.665).

More can be found in the commentaries listed below:

Reliance of the Traveller (Umdat al-Saliq) translated by Nuh Ha Mim Keller.
Sharia the Islamic Law by Abdur Rahman I. Doi.
The Hedaya (commentary on the Islamic Laws) translated by Charles Hamilton.

Hey, don’t take my word for it. Read it yourselves.

the term “chosen” seems a “semitic” evidence, the “chosen people” applies also for Jewishs

“with the assumption that Allah has chosen the believers… ”

the term “chosen” seems a “semitic” evidence, the “chosen people” applies also for Jewishs”

The subject is Nazism=Islam. What’s your point?

“my point was alone semantic”

You gave no meaning to the data provided. Let’s hear you discuss the points made here with some data backed up by references….if you can…

When I say references, I mean, the Qu’ran, Sira or Bukari’s Hadith or from the three commentaries I listed above.

It seems that the term “chosen” is a commun reference in the 3 monotheist religions ; together they referred to Abraham as the 1rst “elected” person on earth by God, then renewed with the alliance and Moise

the Messie was a divergeant in that big story

the muslims had also their divergeant (don’t remember the name though)

“l’hébreu ou l’araméen ou le chaldéen” were the original languages whereas these religions sprout

While christianism took its expension through the greek language and then latin, the jewish religion kept its original languages, funny though that the ones who invented islam were also tribes that had the same languages.

wether it is a misunderstanding in the translation of the original texts or not, it is a bit funny that all these enlightened persons say that they were the very chosen

Frenchie/Franchie, I didn’t know that referencing history…examples include the dechristianization of France during the French Rev. and it’s manifestations like the calendar, the “Goddess of Reason” worship in Notre Dame Cathedral, the oathes forced apon the clergy, and any other number of historical facts were considered “bigoted spirit”. Yikes. And yes, I do tend to look at the “fantaisist details”…the devil’s in the details ya know.

I don’t mind you quoting our fantaisist details, the intention that you set behind them is what I found inacurated, and that didn’t explained the point

You’re not being very semantic. Your arguments are outside the points of the discussion. Other than stating the obvious, what else do you know of the subject? Again, we have made copious references to the Qu-ran, Hadith, the Sira and the three doctrinairre commentaries accepted in Islamic jurisprudence to backup the point that Islam=Nazism.

Stringing together neat adjectives doesn’t make you “semantic”. Either you know the subject material and can discuss it from a knowlegeable POV or you can’t. Which is it?

So far, your comments do not reflect a knowledge of the subject material at all.

http://www.amazon.com/Hitler-Myth-Image-Reality-Third/dp/0192802062/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1210167898&sr=8-1

enjoy!

I already knew that. She knows it too. She’s just stringing words together in a futile effort to sound like an intellect. It’s rather absurd.

But yeah, you’re right. It’s a waste of time talking to her.
If sematics is the “assumed or explicit set of understandings used in a system to give meaning to data”,
then Frenchie has failed to add to the knowledge base on this subject.

It’s not even semantics, KL, its “tardery”.

Kl, I am not your obliged reader so far of piggy stories, might be your too complicated for me

Blah, blah, blah…Again, you’ve added nothing to the conversation. And you did not answer my original question either.

Face it frenchie, you’re out of your element on this topic.

As to knowledge of Islam, go back and read my post on the topic. Or any of my other posts on the topic. Or don’t.

Gotta run. Work calls….

11 charlie…out…

“you might get out of the office when your “chosen” one will get elected, that’s may-be the alone positive thing I am able to forecast for the health of the humanities at the moment”

What another absurd comment? Really now WTF are you talking about? You still haven’t answered my original question, and you’ve changed the subject again.

No very semantic, Frenchie.

Ta ta. gotta run, the Marines are calling my name.

Oh, and Semper Fi to any Devil Dogs within ear shot.

Out

Despite its political nature, Islam continues to shelter under the rubric “religion”, a vague, sentimental term used to forestall rigorous inquiry into the thing itself. Amoung elite circles today, “religion” connotates quaint mythologies and rituals of more primitive, and therefore morally unimpeachable peoples. The exception of course is Christianity (the white man’s perennial instument of tyranny). The orientalism directed by the scourge of honest scholarship…Edward Said is more alive today in the minds of his intellectual progeny than anywhere in the more serious Western scholarship of days gone by.

While on the one hand, Islam possessses the dynamism and staying power of a major religious faith, it shares the political objectives of modern totalitarian projects such as Communism and Nazism. Islam seeks the conquest and submission of all to a particular political and legal regime called “Sharia Law”.

Nazism is pale by comparison.

Poor girl. All bluster and no facts….tsk, tsk. You still haven’t answered my question. That’s because you don’t know the material.

For anyone else, the best article on Nazism and Islam can be found on FronrPage Mag. Very nice article that lays out the case and discusses how the duality of Islam matches up well with the duality of Nazism.

Not sure of the author. This is one of the articles. If I find the other, I’ll post it.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=4EDEB0E8-C6B0-4147-883D-D37738482652

A couple more links for GP’s.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=2F3D0002-45DD-48C3-8EEF-E1ECA1DA52A8

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/816232/posts

http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/nazis.html

http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/4411

Gotta refute your garbage again.
franchie

“just that Dan, autoproclamed himself iman heil Hitler, doesn’t mean that he is right, he picks “chosen” details in history to rise them as “proofs” to support his hysterical anti-islam propaganda ; ”

Really? Those comments I made come from Islamic folk…They’re not mine. LOL You can tell that to Abul Kassem and Ibn Warriq. Besides “propaganda is your stock-in-trade not mine. You can’t handle facts or intelligently discuss the subject. until you study Islam.

What you label “propaganda” are the words of former jihadis.
You can take that issue up with them.

“though he forgets that, may-be, the real ennemy is next door, ready to blow him up, cause radical islamists and terrorists aren’t anymore the apanage of the alone islam, Aq is more intelligent than his basic interpretations of the koran, they are already the invisible man”

No frenchie. AQ is just one face in the jihadi crowd. He is not the nexus of the Third Great Jihad. He’s just one player (or is it play-uh?”

The real nexus of the Third Great Jihad is Islam itself.

Try studying more and talking less and your comments might sound a tad less absurd.

Even in regards to genocide?

That’s right. What would you call waht’s going on in Darfour, Nigeria, Soamalia, Ethiopia, Phillipeans, and Bosnia?

Or how about Afghanistan before we got there?

Everywhere Islam is fighting the jihad…there is subjigation, conquest, genocide and ethnic cleansing going on.

So, yeah.