If he had made for my gun, or been clubbing on me with my PR24 I could see shooting him. But for stealing my tazer, that is known non-leathal? Shooting a guy is not the proper way to save face.

More proof that the reliance on these less than lethals leads to cops that lack the basic “hands on” mele abbility to deal with perps when they fail, so then end up using deadly force on those that don’t rate it.

I’m with Poe, The cops didn’t kill them man because he was threatening their lives with THEIR non lethal weapon, they killed him because they were pissed that he was more effective with their weapons than they were.

However to use a perp getting ahold of one as the reason for using deadly force is a “cop-out”. If he was resisting arrest and they were rolling around and fighting DF wouldnt not be justified, but as he had a tazers, which are considerably less dangeorus than a fist fight, he gets shot?

I Got nothing… I am real forgiving when it comes to cops and shootings, I have been where you have a split second to make a decision that can cost lives that bean counters and other pricks can take all there sweet ass time to decide if it was the right one… But this just seems fucked up.

In my case you are mistaken, bigtime.

And we are not blaming the cops for this guys actions, I don’t blame the cops for him stealing some plant stands.

I do question how a lone unarmed individual vs. three cops ends up dead though. If thats demeaning to the cops so be it, because that is the worst outcome for everyone invlolved. There needs to be accountability and an explanation of how that shit went down…

I don’t mind that they offed the guy, so don’t try to sell that our concern was stray rounds or shoot to wound crap.
If you are going to do it, you do it right. I think BirdDog was just being sarcastic about the knee thing.

Regardless of what someone’s reason for disobeying a lawful command may be, inebriation, failure to understand the language, just being disobedient… None of those motives matter in this case as failure to comply does rate the use of deadly force.

If failure to comply rates a tazing and getting in a scuffle rates a tazing… Then how does it balance out that tazing a cop rates a deadly force response?

Without getting to “Murthaesque” here I just want to make sure they were professional about it. Asking questions like that is not a witch hunt, it is making sure you have people out there doing the job that are capable of it, because if they are not its a danger to them and the public.

What I see is two cops who when a tazer failed were unable to apply the “hands on” part of police work effectivly enough to prevent an asskicking by a lone individual or even retain there LTL’s. Then, to make it worse, a third cop who arrives on the scene that instead of using his training and following procedures skips right to the end of the to-do list and engages with deadly force.

Thats a whole lot of ball dropping in a real short timespan…

In either case, I don’t understand how anyone could read this short article that lacks an accurate report of the events leading up to the shooting, and judge the officers as wrong right off the bat.

Coulda, shoulda, woulda. “If I was there!”. You weren’t.

He may of been stomping em Brach, but you can’t shoot a perp for that. Course if he was standing up and kicking them I want to know how he was shocking them as well as the X26’s they carry in pheonix only have the one cartridge and after that you have to press shock with it. Which is how I assume he was using it as its kinda hard to shock two of anything with one set of darts…

I am not saying these cops were in the wrong, I dont think anyone is. But for anyone to read the article and not wonder how 3 cops and one unarmed perp ends up with a police shooting and not want an explination of how that came to be baffles me. Saying “well he had one of our tazers” is a double standard as how are they going to justify continued use of them on perps if using one on a cop rates deadly force?

they do have a dead man for sure now.