Of course, the UN will stop them…cough, cough…

I wonder how Ezekiel 38 & 39 can be described in this scenario?

It might be too late, actually.

Hey guy, I don’t have enough brain power to find the info myself, that or I’m to lazy. But either way, I rely on the Dollard nation to collect it for me. And a fine job they do.

Hey guy, I don’t have enough brain power to find the info myself, that or I’m too lazy. But either way, I rely on the Dollard nation to collect it for me. And a fine job they do.

Bash: Three Words, Duck And Cover

I remember watching that movie as a kid and it scaring the bejesus out of me….:P

It won’t be made in Hollywood……but a movie about us being forced to pull out by a liberal regime, and a Nuclear Israel vs Iran showdown that shows it’s consequences for the people there and around the world could definately do some good to wake people up around the planet. I wish THAT movie would be made…..when can you get some people on that Pat?

Ahmadinejad is no Hitler

Germany was/is a world power. Iran was/is not.

Ahmadinejad is a school teacher.

Hitler rose from nothing and became the leader of the most powerful nation/state and military since Rome.

This comparison doesn’t fit.

You also do realize that the United States did not have a huge nuclear arsenal when it ended WWII don’t you? If memory serves we had something like 3 nukes when we bombed Japan. The PERCEIVED ability to do more destruction was enough to stop an almost suicidal nation from continuing the war. Keep in mind, they were willing to just about sacrifice everything to keep fighting. Hence the fact that they were training their women and children to fight with sharpened sticks to protect the homeland. Also, recall the kamikaze.

Point is, it really won’t take long for Iran to supercede Germany as a world power. All it would take is ONE nuke going off. At that time, nobody would know Iran’s capability and that might be enough. Recall how surprised everyone was when North Korea operated its first nuke test. Western intelligence thought they were years away from where they actually were.

Comparing countries is irrelevant - their goals were/are the same - domination of the world and destruction of the Jewish people

Ahmedinejad is as willing as Hitler was to do the unthinkable without remorse

Any country that can use a nuclear weapons against another has world-changing power

Ahmedinejad is a trained terrorist, Islamic fanatic and ruler of a country that seeks nuclear weapons to continue to terrorize the world - the size of his military is irrelevant once he has nuclear weapons

If anything, Iran is a bigger problem to the world than Germany, certainly more deadly to Israel.

He believes terrorists and terrorism is a power that can dominate nations. It took 18 terrorists to execute 911. Years ago he predicted 100,000 terrorists could bring the world to his knees. Over the years he has greatly increased his homegrown terrorists, well on his way of reaching the 100,000 mark if not surpassed already.

Another party of the equastion is controlling global oil supplies. A 1/3 of the global oil supplies pass through the narrow straights of hormuz off the Iranian coast. An oil tanker doesn’t stand a chance against a short range missle.

I don’t know if he truly believes he’s the 12th Iman. I do known he is hell bent on aquiring power. Much like Hitler & Stalin. Only this time Ahmedinejad is aquiring nukes and several 1000 terrorists working under his command.

I believe the information in this article is why the Prez has not attacked Iran. He is committed to keeping our country peaceful. No more days like 9/11. He’s done it but the problem remains.

Iran is weak. I think it is all bluster was my point.

Sorry dude, I missed that. I agree, that just as Saddam did, Ahmedinejad talks big, but can we really afford not to take him seriously as far as nukes are concerned?

Bluster or not, why not take them at their word? If we reward their behavior we just get more of it. Hitler said the same things and he certainly was serious. How do you ‘know’ that Ahmadinejad isn’t serious? Their behavior certainly looks consistent with their fanatical rhetoric to me: financing Hezbollah, allied w/Syria, pursuing nukes (e.g. the heavy water plant at Arak - which indicates a weapons-grade plutonium production intent, and the enrichment facilities at Natanz, which are too small to support a commercial reactor’s enriched fuel requirement but about right for weapons production).

First of all this is some think tank guy who built a simulation model to examine effects of a hypothetical engagement. These simulations are notoriously inaccurate because they make assumptions - and the assumptions are up to the modeler or whoever is sponsoring the research. I see the following flaws right off:

1. Iran does not presently have a functioning nuclear weapon. If they did it would have been preceded by a test. It’s one technological hurdle to enrich the uranium — it is quite another to make a functional bomb .. even of the Fat Man / Little Boy variety (WW-II)

2. Once a warhead is developed it has to be married to a delivery vehicle. That combination has not been tested. You wouldn’t want to put a nuke on an untested missile and have it blow-up (low order) on the launch pad.

3. The entire scenario is a 1 vs 1 pairing. If you read the fine print in most of our treaties with NATO, Japan, Australia, etc. you’ll probably find the fine print that an attack on this ally is the same as an attack on the US and we reserve the right to reply in kind.

4. Any use of a nuclear, biological, or chemical weapon on US soil or against US forces would free the US to reply in kind i.e., they use a chemical weapon ( a weapon of mass destruction)on us, we use a weapon of mass destruction against them. Our choice of the weapon of mass destruction would be pretty narrow since we have eliminated chemical and biological weapons from our arsenal.

5. The report asserts “Walker concludes that Cordesman’s analysis spells out “the end of Persian civilization, quite probably the end of Egyptian civilization, and the end of the Oil Age.” I disagree. Saudi Arabia, the USSR, Mexico, Canada, and the US all have huge proven reserves. At worst what we would see is a huge spike in prices followed by expansion of production in other fields.

Capt, USAF (Ret)

The comparison between Germany and Iran fits to a T. Same anti-semite rhetoric. Same Aryan supremecist philosophy…same division of the world into two parts…one supremecist, one not.

If Germany had the nomb they would have used it. Iran will do the same.

The Iranian government end-game is to force the re-appearing of the Mahdi in order to bring about a Muslim Armegeddon and a new World Order.

Anyone who doesn’t take Iranian threats seriously is eith a delluded moron, or is ignorant of Islam or both.

BTW, you sound like that Nazi puke Hauser. He was full of shit too.

Your analysis completely leaves out the crux of the matter. Whic is Shia Islam and the Iranian theocracy’s world views and apocrophial end-game.

Not until western governments and militaries study Islam, its military and startegic vision, will those governments and militaries be able to translate tactical advantages in the battle space to startegic gains across the entire GWOT.

You people in the military got the tactical thing down pat. But you have no strategic vision, because you lack the necessary knowledge of Islam to do gain that insight.

If you can’t define your enemy, then you violate the base tenants of strategic warfare as well enumerated by Sun Tzu which is to first know your enemy.

How, you going to know your enemy when you don’t even bother to study his philosophy and motivations and military doctrine?

Ever hear of MADD? Let me guess it doesn’t apply here because they are ALL crazy in Iran.

Must be nice to play God and want to create Holocausts on regular Iranian citizens.

Bush is following the proper course here.

How about those 8 million Ukranians Stalin killed? Don’t count? How about the 3 million Cambodians under Pol Pot. Don’t count?

Finally Nazism was strictly a German phenominon. It can’t be exported

His threats to Israel Dan are garbage. They hold NO water

First its a simulation which makes it suspect unless you know what went into. Second it will be a long time before they have a SRBM or ICBM capable of delivering it (ask N. Korea) and third the Israelis could conserve their warheads because we would be using ours.

Well, for instance, just a few days ago…. “Death to America” seems pretty clear to me. They use it like an “applause” sign:
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1784.htm

I’m not sure that a “long time” is actually very comfortably long. Look at the time scale of their development of the Shahab missiles: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahab

Ya but we’re developing stuff too … try this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airborne_laser

Yes, but the last thing I want is to go into a war on anything like an equal footing. I want overwhelming force and minimal casualties and destruction on our side, total destruction and massive casualties on their side. The worst thing is to be “proportional” - it just prolongs the conflict, kills more people, and they don’t understand that they were defeated, unlike Germany and Japan.

Tel Aviv however… Perhaps McCain is privy to some info when he recently suggested the American embassy move to Jerusalem..

Man, you are one dumb fuck. MADD works for non-jihadis, it don’t work for the jihadist mindset.

And you need to crawl back in your hole Hauser. Get lost.

I got the drift of both you and the article. What you are missing is the vision that Iran and frankly Islam has laid out for the world. Supremacy, conquest and slavery.

In addition to which, when Iran uses Islamic apocrophal imagery they mean exactly what they say.

The technology to deliver those nukes, they already posses.
All it would take is one Kamakazi mission to deliver it.

There’s no MADD doctrine in Islam. To kill or be killed in jihad (quital) is their highest goal. They don’t need rockets to hit us or the Israelis, they can deliver a strike in other ways too.

The end game here is real simple. Cause as much chaos and destruction in the world as is possible…until the whole world is against Iran. Then their Mahdi will return (or so they think).

In order for MADD to work, you’d have to have a government of people who are more interested in life than death. We had that with the USSR, we do not have that with Iran.

Anyone who thinks that Iran is all bluster is full of shit.
Iran is after the same things that Muhammed and Hitler were after: World conquest and domination of an Aryan race of people with everyone else as its slaves.

Hitler failed. Iran, indeed Islam itself is picking up where they left off in 1683 and trying to accomplish Hitler’s goal of annihilation of the Jews.

Bomb Iran…now…

In fact, Iran is counting on MAD working working *against* us - once they have nuclear weapons we will be even more reluctant to attack them, giving them a freer hand. The battle goes to the bold.

The death to America stuff has been going on for a long time with those yahoos. I just yawn and laugh. They are dreaming and they know it.

Get lost doogey. Take your antisemetic rant elsewhere.
And don’t use the God term bud. You’re a Nazi…God is a foreign concept to punks like you.

Be gone.