WB*Graphic* Americans Did This? Story Doesn’t Add Up, You Decide…
This video has been making the rounds with the explanation seen below, but the story doesn’t add up to the video…you decide…
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Claim:
Family Members and Friends Killed as They Waited for Relative’s Release
On May 20, 2008 in the village of Al Mazraa, near Baiji, Salahuddin Province, Iraq-
Eight relatives and a neighbor on their way to a homecoming party for a detainee released from Camp Bucca were shot and killed by American soldiers as they waited on the road outside the neighborhood. American soldiers were conducting raids in the area, so neighbors had warned the family to stay away from the area until the patrol was over.
As the two car convoy was waiting nearby, an American helicopter nearby opened fire on the vehicles. As the vehicles were hit, the drivers attempted to seek cover, but both vehicles were repeatedly shot and disabled. The helicopter landed but instead of assisting those shot and needing medical help, the American soldiers killed any survivors and then wrote numbers on the foreheads of some. Several children including a young girls body are clearly visible, and the wounds suffered by the men are horrific. The vehicle is clearly shot with many rounds and the seats and road is covered with blood. Iraqi police were called to the scene to remove the bodies, and some video footage was taken. It is clear that these people were unarmed civilians.
I’m only 1min30seconds into video,and even I can tell that the holes in the car are from 7.62 rounds. Apaches and Super Cobras have 20mm cannon. WAAAY larger holes would have been made. True, that Chinooks will usually have M240’s midship and the occasional ramp mounted M2. Blackhawks M240’s or mini-gun. And littlebirds use miniguns. With the rate of fire from a minigun (about 2,000 rounds/min) that car would have looked like swiss cheese, not just a few holes in the freakin’ trunk. Even a M240 at 700-800 rounds/min would have tore up that car. This is BULLSHIT from the get go.
June 26th, 2008 at 6:00 pmLook at the car.. Look at the angle in which the bullets entered the car.
No Helicopter did that.. Its clearly NOT 30mm cannon fire.. and the angle clearly shows it wasn’t fire from above.
Wounds on the bodies look to me like the car was ambushed from the side. the people where pulled out and shot at close range. The fire on the car is chaotic and inaccurate in nature. A blind marine with one arm would group better.
The wounds to the lower jaw on several are consistent with the person being executed on their knees with a round through the top of the head from behind and exiting the jaw. The poor kids where shot standing probably with a pistol to the side of the head.
This is AQ trying to insight more violence.
June 26th, 2008 at 6:04 pmIt’s amazing the way the helocopter was able to get so low that all of the rounds went into the side of the car. I didn’t notice too much damage to the hood or roof. In fact, the moon roof isn’t even shot out. I guess the helocopter must have landed on the street before it started shooting.
June 26th, 2008 at 6:06 pmI am calling complete BULLSHIT.
We have all seen the ridiculous number of steps a Helo has to go through to get clearance to engage (to the point of some bad guys getting away), they will not engage if weapons are not present or children are present. The bodies all appear posed. There is little to no blood on the ground where the bodies are. All the bullet wounds are from small caliber rounds and are localized to the back of the vehicle. Even if it was a Kiowa attack, they would use rockets and the vehicles would likely have been on fire even with a guns attack(we have seen the practice runs they make with miniguns). A helo would not have landed. That turns them into large sitting targets.
It looks as if this was more of a case of the vehicles being approached by gunman from the rear and opened fire on. And then the bodies and vehicles dumped at that spot.
Besides the MSM would be all over this if they could prove an atrocity. Just more internet Jihadi propaganda bullshit.
June 26th, 2008 at 6:13 pmYeah, this reeks of an insurgent/terrorist ploy to play our media and theirs into hysteria.
June 26th, 2008 at 6:17 pmThese bodies have clearly been staged. That many casualties would have had that dust caked up like mudpiles around the bodies. The only evidence of any bleeding his from the cranium of the one child. This could have drained after the child was put in that spot due to effects of gravity.
June 26th, 2008 at 6:25 pmDefinetly concur with the above mentioned observations as well.
Complete bullshit!
The people who did this are cold blooded murdering cock suckers. Our troops would not do this. Makes me sick…
June 26th, 2008 at 6:28 pmCOME ON, MURTHA, YOU TWISTED BASTARD. WHERE’S THE ACCUSATIONS AGAINST OUR TROOPS? HELLO…HELLO…ARE YOU THERE, TRAITOR?
This is so staged it’s ridiculous. No way a gunship shot those poor people. They’d be in pieces…chunks…arms and legs all over the place. PLUS they wouldn’t all be within a few feet of each other. They’d be spread out all over the damn place…unless of course the locals had gathered them up for the photo op. But, as I said, they’d be in pieces.
June 26th, 2008 at 6:31 pmPallywood in Iraq.
June 26th, 2008 at 6:31 pm|Bullshit! The windshield is still there!
June 26th, 2008 at 6:44 pmIm guessing if you replaced “Americans did this” with “Al-Qaida did this” you would be close to the truth.
June 26th, 2008 at 7:35 pmThe victim’s car was stop by gunman, then the victims were hosed down with .30 cal. automatic weapons fire while they sat in the car.
No way a U.S helicopter’s weapon’s system did this…
…to paraphrase “Dirty Harry”…The car looks too damn good!
June 26th, 2008 at 8:01 pmu all smell that
its smells like bullshit
June 26th, 2008 at 8:42 pmYup. Is Bullshit.
June 26th, 2008 at 10:56 pmLiveleak-
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June 26th, 2008 at 11:21 pmNice try. You ever notice how liars and drug addicts will always try to spin big ol tales about stuff that is just so outlandish they know you probably don’t beleive them, but they keep on lying and spining yarns about comeplete BS because their used to dealing with and being friends with very stupid people who sometimes beleive their lies.
This is one of those complete bullshit stories. And they think they can get by with it because their so used to lying to everyone and making shit up comes completely natural to them.
Lying haji bastards.
June 27th, 2008 at 12:39 am“the American soldiers killed any survivors and then wrote numbers on the foreheads of some.”
When pigs fly…
June 27th, 2008 at 12:57 amand now for some reason the user has taken the clip off of liveleak
June 27th, 2008 at 1:57 amPure BS. What REALLY happens when one of our helo gunships strikes a vehicle, is shown in the thread: Apache Gunship Takes Out Insurgent Truck With 30mm In Iraq - Awesome
June 27th, 2008 at 4:45 amI wonder what really happened. the people didnt seem to broken up about it! I wonder if this family were deemed traitors?
June 27th, 2008 at 6:32 amJust another product of an ill informed Iraqi populous. the Lady standing over the body 10m in front of the vehicle is telling everyone that the Occupiers Killed her son and he was not doing anything wrong. The police on the other hand were not telling the public anything to quell their anger over the young.
7.62 apears to be the ammo being used, but the rounds came from the rear and some of the wounds on the people were wounds scene as though they were being shot from the front and I also noticed that the wounds were not the wounds tipicly seen from a distance. They look like AQ was sending a meesage. One question i’d like to find out is why was the family member being released. did he turn over info. on AQ?
This has all of the makings of a reprizal hit
Any soldier who has fire upon a live target from any distance beyond 150m would know that a bullet damage is much greater the futher away one is from the target, due to bullet drop and a loss of straite flight. The reason i use 150m is that is as close as one would want to get from a suspect V and personal.
Also one other observation, most of the rounds appear to level with the trunk and windshield. There were alot of head and foot injuries which mean they were ambushed or not expecting the attack. In most cases when a Cordon and Search is being executed the people stay indoors and are warned, prior to any OP.
So ill call BS on this being a ambush by US soldiers and an even bigger BS! for an ATK Helo assault on this V.
But this is just my observation. which doesnt mean much.
June 27th, 2008 at 6:33 amhow about bullet holes guys, if it was a helicopter wouldnt the roof be perforated, plus the hatch of the car has bullet holes that look like whoever was firing it was from the gorund, a neat straight hole, no downward grazes or marks on the car…clearly a nicely staged provocation, just as things getting better tey try to make the americans look bad..forget the fact that they blow each other up by thousands, were those suicide bombers from the US military as well? even if it was true, shit, its a war zone, imagine the scenario where the insurgents might have had the same gataway car, so the helicopter fired on a suspected vehicle fitting description…but this vid is not that case, small 5.45-5.56-7.62 mm bullet holes anything higher than .50 cal would have ripped the bodies apart, with the car…
June 27th, 2008 at 10:40 amRemember that video that was posted here a while ago of the Saudi dog cock sucker that had the wire around his neck being electrocuted by the Iraqi cops?
That video needs to accompany this one.
June 27th, 2008 at 11:11 amDead is dead.What the fuck does it matter
June 28th, 2008 at 12:56 pmIs there any translation for this?
June 28th, 2008 at 2:31 pmI learned a lot by reading the comments posted here. Thanks for taking the time. I saw a video recently of a Muslim cleric instructing his flock. Muslims are allowed to lie for three reasons: war; friends; and family. (People with close ties to Muslim communities say the list is longer than that.) You’d think the press would be trained in Muslim moral ambiguity, especially as applies to terrorists, and wouldn’t take at face value what they hear. You’d think U.S. military would be consulted on a regular basis, or even hired for input. I guess I’m naive.
June 28th, 2008 at 5:25 pmGRIZZ, dead IS dead. It does matter. It is called propaganda and Bullshit. The original poster of the video stated that American troops in helicopters did this.
It is nice to have the folks here able to notice the difference between staged and actual evidence. This was a staged incident, and my guess is that the female talking that the occupiers did this was referring to the occupying Iranian and AQ shitheads.
June 28th, 2008 at 5:58 pmI guess AQ had a beef with this family. Won’t waist time talking about ballistics, some pretty sharp folks already did.
June 28th, 2008 at 8:06 pmI guess the boys from iran know how to win hearts and minds.
One of the most difficult videos I’ve ever viewed… It’s a horrific scene and one that merits justice!
I can guarantee that that justice will not be based on the accusations mentioned in this Bullshit story… I’ll refrain from bothering with the debunking, because most of the debunking was done in the first few responses to this video…
Look at the roof and “IT’S A NO BRAINER!”
June 29th, 2008 at 2:19 amNo chance helicopters and their weapons did this.
June 29th, 2008 at 7:21 amThe guy shooting the video is probably one of the mad jihadis shooting AK’s just moments before.
Many of those holes were too small, or shot from very close range, for AK’s.
And wouldn’t troops in a helo be hovering directly in front of a vehicle to stop it?
The bodies were placed all together…this is not a scene of chaos, it is a set-up.
I made sure to watch the vid before reading the comments, and I’m glad I did because everyone so far has already pointed out the obvious - angle of attack, the size of the holes in the vehicle, etc. No helicopter was involved in this attack, if if there even was one. Complete bullshit.
BTW, can we get a “bullshit” emoticon maybe? Seems to me we’ll be using it a lot…..
June 29th, 2008 at 8:20 amI call bullshit. anyone ever seen a helicopter fire? the bullets are not indiscriminately fired from them but they also do not come out in a perfectly straight line either. that car would have been riddled from top to bottom if it was a helicopter. and not to mention the bullet holes in the people are not big enough.
anyways,
good job as always Bash. thanks for allowing a platform for truth to come out with these videos people post then purposely lie to everyone about the context.