Gun Range: Transition From Primary To Secondary Weapon - Name Them Weps
Scenerio - Transitions from Primary Weapon to secondary following engagement and as reaction to empty weapon. After transition re-engage with 2 rounds then scan sectors front and rear before reholster. Very basic drill but very good practice. Good for reaction time, new equipment familiarization and muscle memory.
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Some flavor of AR tacticool and a Sig I think.
July 7th, 2008 at 12:26 pmRifle almost resembles a Bill Wilson flavor AR judging by the muzzle break. The pistol is a Sig 229. I am not a big fan of 9 mm but hey, if it goes bang and puts a hole in stuff, I won’t throw it to the curb.
I earned my nickname. I have carried a 1911 everywhere I have gone since 1988. I have been in combat with one, carried one in civilian life, and even competed with a good ole single stack 1911.
The drill he is doing is almost worthless. I would much rather see him on a range outdoors, and would much rather see him lose the chest holster for the Sig. I watched him sweep his own body every time he holsters it, as well as his left hand.
I am not doggin dude out, just noticed that he has had very little training when it comes to tuffy the tuff guy drills. If this is his actual training, then his trainers were atfu.
July 7th, 2008 at 2:14 pmI agree with Hardball1911.
July 7th, 2008 at 3:12 pmLooks like some kind of drill the shooter made up.
Generally you dont pull out a pistol, until the rifle is empty.
a second thought. Is that rifle legal?
July 7th, 2008 at 3:13 pmIts shooting 3 shots at a time.
Times change Hardball!
You can buy any compensator you want now, from damm near anyone so I dont bother trying to pick up the make of the tonka anymore.
Anyway, I went through CQB training at the MCSFBN training center in Chesapeake VI they taught us to transition to a sidearm whenever you engtered a tight space if your primary was a long rifle (like he has), that was in 92′ when I was with FAST.
I’d much rather clear a room with a sidearm than that thing anyway, more wieldy, easyer to retain and more likely to put someone down without having to burn half a mag through em. 5.56 wont tumble at under 100 yards, so you just going to punch nice little .22 cal holes through them up close.
For as far as wearing a hip holster thats all well and good, we trained with them and used them sometimes… But if you work from vehicles the majority of your training should be with a chest rig. Ya its combersume, ya you muzzle fuck yourself reguarly and ya you can’t go prone for shit… But it is neigh imposible to bring a sidearm to bear from your hip if you are sitting in a vehicle and geared up.
On that he is training with all his gear on, body armor, extra mags, camel back… Thats a big plus. His posture and grip are good and his transiton is supurb as he “punches” the front sight post onto target then rocks the cradel up to it before engaging.
Somebody taught him some gunfighting. I wouldn’t want him shooting at me anyway. From what I have seen he is the kidn of guy you want to take from behind, cause if he gets it out and up you going to get some on you…
For as far as legality JI I got guns that will rock and roll, its just a mater of money, paperwork and an intimate relationship with your local ATF shitburds. I guess you could skip the paperwork and assfuckign from the feds if you didn’t mind risking some time inside, but who wants to be worrying about that shit?
July 7th, 2008 at 7:33 pmAs I stated Poe, I was NOT dogging the dude out.
I spent eight years learning to put rounds on target fast, and then the last twelve years shooting competition and can agree that a room clearing is much better done with a short weapon. Not necessarily in 9mm, but hey, nobody can be perfect all the time.
I can tell you that a chest rig is absolutely my last resort. From a vehicle there are two different carry positions other than the chest rig that will not hinder your ability to clear a weapon. A high ride holster, common to most concealed carry permit holders, or a low drop rig that clears the bend in your waiste. Both of the other options require practice coming out of cleanly, but can be attained rather quickly. I prefer the low drop, simply because I am not as “narrow” as I once was.
I teach and have FLETC, NRA, and IPSC/USPSA instructor/range officer certifications.
The side note is that I do not necessarily fault this particular shooter. It is the toughy the tough guy types that want to emulate him and have no training that will 86 themselves.
July 8th, 2008 at 5:32 amHeh, we used to unhook the leg strap of our low holsters and flop them over so that it was between your legs in a pinch for riding around.
Worked well enough and no one shot there Johnson off.
I cant get into my high ride while riding, my elbow wont go far enough out for me to get any more than a two fingered draw on it. Cross draw shoulder rigs are more comfortable (IMO) for carry anyway.
I prefer .45 as well, thou in truth its just personal preferance. 9mm will do the job and has more capacity, I am just stubborn I spose.
July 8th, 2008 at 6:58 amI agree with HardBall on this guy.
Pistol in CQB? I’ll take 30x 5.56mm to 16x 9mm (or any other pistol round) any day and you had better hope they are not wearing bodyarmor.
I’m a 1911 guy, but a Para double stack .45, I like the beer bottle size grip on ‘em.
But that’s all my prefs, to each his own.
Recently took a practical carbine class here in the city, pretty cool and informative, but I’m no a “high speed, low drag” operator by any stretch of the imagination. A couple of interesting points they brought up: they were way down on the single point slings, even though the US Army uses them, there have been a fair number of ND (negligent discharges) attributed to them in the sandbox. They taught the African sling on the strong side (Remember this is a civilian carbine class not a war fighting CQB type stuff). Another interesting point they taught in transitioning between rifle and pistol, one way was to keep the rifle in position against your shoulder and to draw and fire your pistol. Heard mention the Spetsnaz train this way, the thinking is it will shave about a half second off the transitioning time and if you have to go to a sidearm from a rifle and if you have to do that then something has gone very wrong and you needed your sidearm a couple of seconds ago.
July 8th, 2008 at 9:22 am