“The United States spent 45 years working very hard to avoid a military confrontation with Russia. I see no reason to change that approach today,” Gates said at the Pentagon.

taking off his coat to reveal a shirt that says once a Pussie always a Pussie.

If any kind of financial aid is currently being funneled to Russia, I say stop it immediately. And don’t worry about the negative press. No matter what the U.S. does, most of the world press is going to excoriate us anyway. Let’s do something that’s right for the U.S., for once.

What do you think they took away?

Human Rights Watch said Russian aircraft dropped RBK-250 cluster bombs, each containing 30 PTAB 2.5M submunitions or bomblets, on the town of Ruisi in the Kareli district of Georgia on August 12, 2008 killing three civilians and wounding five others.

The organisation claims that on the same day a cluster strike in the centre of Gori killed at least eight civilians and injured dozens. The Dutch journalist Stan Storimans was among the dead.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4539186.ec

http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-35021820080815

The signal being sent is clear . Russia can do whatever it wants and the US will not do anything to stop them. The Russians have been supplying weapons to our enemies and we have stood by and literally said nothing. Why do you think that is.

History is repeating itself except this time Russia is much stronger economically. We once again have literally helped our enemy to defeat us politically.

This will only strenghen the resolve of Iran, Hizbollah, and Hamas who poses a much more serious threat to our continent. We have let too damn many of them in our country and they now plan our own demise from within. Plus, now, they just got bolstered by Russia’s obvious disgust for the US. What do you think will happen now that Russia has showed its true feelings about us?

Maybe we should begin looking into what has already been planned behind by the Rsskies behind our backs and with our other enemies and focus on saving our own ass.

The reality is that the US could lose any confrontation with Russia. Since we do not intend to use nukes either, we are faced with the bleak future that the Russians can force us to eat their shit and we may only be able to say, “Can I have a spoon …” The Russians are our enemies and they now
are free to further help our other enemies.

Apparently we are no longer a serious country.
Sending France, half of the ‘Socialist alliance’ that created this mess in Georgia, to negotiate a cease-fire is seriously messed up. Why expect anything better when it comes to our own hemisphere? Gates and Rice give lip service to ‘policy based on American national interests’ but I don’t see it. I’m very disappointed in them the last week.

I have been saying for a decade that we have been ignoring the wrong enemies. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if Russia was behind the insurgency in Iraq both monetarily and logistically. Iran was just the filter medium.

I guess that you should have gone there and make your miracle, I bet you would came back in POS

Now, if you want the escalation on war go on, you’ll have it on your nice moral counscience, I’ll be counting the casualties

How exquisitely French.
Better to live on your knees than die on your feet, eh, franchie?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/georgia/2563260/John-Bolton-After-Russias-invasion-of-Georgia-what-now-for-the-West.html

It’s doesn’t help to ignify the spirits, can’t see there is a raisonable proposition from you up to now, just bomb bomb, escalation till where? that China will decret war against you either, that’s a probability post OG though

Now they are threatening Poland, once again proving why Poland needs the missile shield to begin with. The missiles are conventional, not nukes. Now they are threatened by Poland and the Czech republic….Who has the history of agression and occupation… us or them?… Bullies always feel threatened when they can’t excersise their will.

IGOETI, Georgia (Reuters) - A Russian military convoy advanced to within 55 km (34 miles) of Tbilisi on Friday, a Reuters witness said, in the deepest incursion since conflict with Georgia erupted last week.

The advance by some 17 armored personnel carriers (APCs) and about 200 soldiers coincided with a visit by U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to secure Georgia’s signature on a French-brokered peace plan to end the fighting.

Initially 10 APCs moved along the main highway from the Russian-occupied town of Gori, 25 km (15 miles) from breakaway South Ossetia, before stopping in the village of Igoeti. Several APCs headed down side roads and seven more arrived later.

The exact mission of the incursion was not clear.

http://www.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=USLF7284720080815

U.S. troop withdrawal plans could be affected by the exit of 2,000 Georgian troops from Iraq

By Peter Spiegel, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
August 15, 2008

WASHINGTON — Army Gen. David H. Petraeus, the U.S. commander in Iraq, is being forced to grapple with one of the unexpected byproducts of the conflict in Georgia: His plan to withdraw American forces in Iraq was predicated on all partner nations keeping their troop levels intact.

With nearly 2,000 Georgian troops returning home in the midst of the crisis there, the coalition has lost what one senior military official called one of the largest and most capable contributions to the Iraq effort. As a result, the official said, Petraeus is now assessing whether he will have to change his plans, including possibly delaying the return home of some U.S. forces this year…

…another military official familiar with Iraq planning said Georgian troops had been central to a new push to block weapons shipments coming across the border from Iran into southeastern Iraq, setting up a base in the city of Kut and patrolling nearby border regions.

“You can’t lose the Georgian component without some impact,” said the military official, who also requested anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss Iraq troop deployments publicly. “If you had to assess the 30 countries in Iraq as a coalition force, Georgia was among the top tier, both in number and capabilities.”

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/la-fg-surge15-2008aug15,0,1217779.story

Sarozy’s ?????????? no Bush either !!!!

http://www.turkishweekly.net/comments.php?id=2959

fuck the US-EU pricks

I’m not sensing a whole lotta love ’round here…

It’s like friday night at the fights.

But seriously, what is the mood across the pond there with the russians throwing another tantrum, this time w/weapons..Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Afghanistan, Georgia,…who’s next?…Franchie? anyone in merry old Englandistan?..anywhere else?

Escuse-me Germany has a bigger voice, she is stll hosting Nato, not France

But in the case of Georgia, the problem of harming the ossetians and askasians was the reason of the delay : one couldn’t include yet a country that didn’t respect her minorities, anyway that was the official statment.

on the grounds that it would piss Russia off
might be true for the Germans, but not for us, our economy doesn’t rely on Russia markets

didn’t ‘appease’ like France hoped. Explain how further appeasement works. (check other sources than these that reproduct your voice, you’ll see that the US, have also NO intention to harm Russia)

If you’re unable to explain it just say so.

fuck you, is that appeasing for you ?
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Stevem, hi, can’t help , it’s our modus vivendi

well, dunno yet how the crise is perceived here, seems all the people are in vacation or looking at the OG, it doesn’t seems that this crise is worrying many ; though, I expect that in september the lefties will fall on Sarkozy’s back, cause, that would surely not the decision they would have undergone

I say, wait a few days to see how the things are decanting

that says, even if Georgia had been in Nato, that would have accelerated the war process with Russia

though, I have been watching a report that interviewed georgians that were flying from the fightings, seem the problem is the president of Georgia, the people said, “if they (the russians) want him, they can have him, but we ought to be left in peace”

Maybe you ought to re-read the article you posted…

French for ‘franchie doesn’t have a clue what she’s talking about and therefore can’t explain a fucking thing’.

so Im not expecting a surprise, then again sully the inept Sarkozy, Carla and me tell you “fuck you”, good for your ulcère

parles moi encore de ta morale, tu peux te la mettre au cul

Yeah… that’s what Obama’s people tell me so it must be true.

A bas les fashists, A bas les fashists, à bas les fashists….

Now… is there an actual grown-up at your house there that we could talk with instead?
Maybe one we could prevail upon to intervene and get you to put that pipe away?

did I ? I though you had no sensibility, that you are a “dur de dur” ; then sorry, though you pushed the fighting button on

we’re constantly told how ‘enlightening’ Socialism is for the masses, yeah a trick, ya know Obama’s

Now… is there an actual grown-up at your house there that we could talk with instead?
Maybe one we could prevail upon to intervene and get you to put that pipe away?

im the boss, the grown-ups as you said, either watched TV, (OG) though a bit late, or are preparing a rallye with “alpine renault” (sorry again renault)

and they let me smoke my pipe of belgian tobacco

ZZZZZ

This is a serious problem, unlike how to sell pissy wine to snobby Americans.

That’s an even better idea.
I know it’s hard for you to imagine but maybe while you sleep you’ll dream of a world behind the Socialist propaganda your government spoon feeds you and the internet links you read that reinforce it.
Y’know…. a *real* world.

The Prez loves baseball, they say. OK. How ’bout this: “GW STRUCK OUT ON 3 PITCHES.”

VERY disappointing. Wd John F’ing Kerry have done worse?

it’s a “real” world though, aren’t we the “real” policy makers ? your likely dreaming of a “pax americana”, it’s not possible anymore, time to wake up, the western movies are from another century

and my internet links were the conter points of opiniatred right bashing yours…
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zeaky, my little eagle, did you have enough buddies, ya know the wise beers in your bikes bar ?
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Gadgeot diddlo, ask sully what incoherence means, he droves the ballet

one more thing, I bet your going to apply for an EU passport next, yeah, vacations are quite good over here, BTW, there are many Georgians that live in France, and are quite happy of that,plus, they don’t spit on us.

http://info.france2.fr/monde/45556830-fr.php

it’s not easy to have a bear as neighbour, but if you’d been a bit intelligent, you would have found a way to live peacefully, knowing its habits should have been a good start for reflexion.

The fact of the matter is that American media is controlled in the same way as the Russian media.

The internet is the perfect spin tool. The facts can be changed to fit the intended target group.

In this case it was already preordained that you guys on this site would take the side of Georgia before any conflict started. Any facts that show Georgia as the guys who started this are swept under the rug. And constant posts re-enforcing this are posted endlessly until the target group is brought around completely to the intended mindset. Kind of like how the devil chases after the soul of a Jew.

Yeah franchie what happened to the link to your site?

Mike from Langley good work

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/255/story/47631.html

I don’t care, I don’t have political talks on it

“The fact of the matter is that American media is controlled in the same way as the Russian media. ”

That’s bullshit.
Prove it.

We took Georgia’s ’side’ because they are a liberal Democracy and an ally…
against an aggressor dictator regime … what… 30X its size?
A concept completely alien to the French.
Unless they are the ones in trouble of course.

http://www.financialsense.com/stormwatch/geo/pastanalysis/2008/0815.html

A concept completely alien to the French.

but we did, in that way that sarko was Bush’s ambassador,

ok, he did obtain all what you wanted, but apparently none
managed better

there is still no evidence that your government is doing more for the moment

Some excerpts from Condoleeza’s press conference in Georgia yesterday:

“…Georgia has been attacked. Russian forces need to leave Georgia at once. The world needs to help Georgia maintain its sovereignty, its territorial integrity, and its independence. This is no longer 1968 and the invasion of Czechoslovokia when a great power invaded a small neighbor and overthrew its government. The free world will now have to wrestle with the profound implications of this Russian attack on its neighbor for security in the region and beyond.”

Condi also said:

“…We’ve started work with the Georgian government and have engaged the G7, the IMF and other international financial institutions to rapidly develop an economic support package for the Georgian economy to build on its demonstrated track record and to resume its rapid growth….The package should restore Georgia’s economy and reinforce investor confidence as Georgia returns to its position as a leading economy in the region….”

And what was the Russian reply?

‘We’ll nuke Poland next.’

And not only STILL in Georgia but moving ~100 armored vehicles CLOSER to Tbilisi.

And WTF is ‘retreat to enclaves’ all about?
It sure isn’t get the fuck out of Georgia.

uh Tom, my previous sentence was : I didn’t say so, but couldn’t find an allusion in Bush’s discourse

for your info, im playing with the “objective truths” that are launched here, quite a hard work, that a child can’t make

A worthy cause indeed. One that deserves a capable defender.
Could you find one and let them talk with us?

Im sorry, none at the moment found interesting to argue with you (your person)

I applaud your optimism.
I hope you’ll forgive me that I do not share it.
I’m sure the “rest of Europe” will not “follow suit” as you correctly surmise that they must.

“Bush orders troops to Georgia”

franchie…all I see, just like most on this board, is you thumbing your nose, like you were actually better than anyone else, or had more intelligent answers than most. All I can say is “just like the French to think they’re better than us”. I’ll tell you something…I may be a dumb Redneck (and an Angry one at that), but I haven’t really read anything that makes me believe that anyone should take anything you say with a grain of salt. It’s obvious you are a socialist, I think we both can agree on that. Well we, at least most of us, are capitalist by nature. We also have a sense of pride, courage, candor, integrity, and commitment…which I know is very difficult for you to comprehend. Now I’m not one for being outright rude or obnoxious, after all, I am the Angry Redneck…I have a reputation to uphold…but please, please, quit showing everyone your complete and total ignorance. I ask this mainly to help you out…most here have already come to that conclusion. I know how difficult it must be for you to keep up your “sense of self” and if we are constantly knocking it down a notch every time you post stupid shit, full of misspelled words and answers that often don’t even make sense, I worry how you will fare…well, ok, I don’t really give a shit, but others may.

She’s on the manic side of her Bi-Polar Disorder.

But give her some slack, if franchie didn’t troll here, she’d spend ALL her time in the bathroom cutting herself.

The Angry Redneck, I respect you for your honesty, I understand that my exchanges with sully were silly, but they were also ment that way, can’t see he ever was honest with me

France has no honor. She lost that when she rounded up her Jews and gave them to the Nazis.

It ain’t (actally often at this moment) fair for the Frenchs here than on “fuck Fance’s”, and my responses are likely the same as they are on FF by most of the Frenchs : derision !!! what can you answer in front of perfidies ? “simple french” ? he is my star
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The Angry Redneck,

I respect you for your honesty, I understand that my exchanges with sully look silly, they were also ment that way, can’t see he ever was honest with me

uh something tells me that you go too much of FF, very bad influence, you won’t get sane from there

no bipolar, but some guis here have it, no doubt !!!

Thanks for your posts. Since you’re in Georgia your insight is heads and tails above the rest of us.

You once mentioned skirmishes have occurred with the two breakaway regions since July. So problems have been building. One person posted a comment saying it was impossible for major powers not to know Russia had been massing on the border, and I agree. Our satellites are fully functional. However, this is a political game, for lack of a better word, and there are rules to follow. For example, the U.S. could not have sent huminatarian aid until Pres. Saakashvili requested it. U.S. fighting troops have no business in Georgia, either, unless your government asks for them.

My heart sank when I saw the photo of Georgian men forced at gun point by Russians to clean up South Ossetia. However, like you said, the Russians are no doubt leaving “surprises” behind (like unexploded cluster bombs, etc.) When, and if, American soldiers are requested by Saakashvili, they will enter your country prepared to do the best damn job they can do to the best of their ability. This also means mapping the greater areas of risk first.

I respect your honesty, I am not condamning your country for what it is, nor you can condamn mine for what it is.

history has made them evolve separately, and it’s quite OK that we can still enjoy differences
what seems you incoherent is my discourse, though I often have no other alternative in front of perfidies : derision

though, when it happens that there are coherent opinions on the Frenchs, I usely don’t contest them

saying that I am socialist can’t be more wrong, at least seen from here, just that we are not sectaire, we may agree on some socialist ideas if they fonction in our country, but our motto is also to make money, and some Frenchs aren’t bad at that, lots of the biggest international Cies have a frenchman at the head

OK, you haven’t openned an history book !

why is then that we still have the biggest jewish community in EU ?

your “good” friends, the Poles, have sent X 4 of our left jewish community into death camps 600000 x 4 = ???

make the count, silly !!!!

If Georgia should have learned to live peacefully with the Russian bear after discerning its habits, then France should be free of riots, rapes, and general mayhem committed by radical Muslims. They’re inside your borders. You’ve been able to study them up close.

http://www.ladepeche.fr/article/2008/08/11/470574-La-Georgie-internationalise-sa-cause-mais-compromet-son-entree-a-l-Otan.html

ok we have our riots, I don’t think that living in Baltimore, Philadelphie, Washington, Chicago… surburbs is any better

Now trying to defend FranChe’s dignity?
ALL of your “exchanges” are “silly”.
Because you’re incapable of anything else.

I’ll be behind your back to point them out

If you coulda you woulda…

in another words, mind yor business, this is a free place, where I still enjoy the right of response, not like in your pseudo-democraty where apparenly the opposition is muzzled, ie 2007 riots, how many non-counted deads ?

yours is done, no response, always the same old refrain that is still available, it’s a bit boring, remove your circuit

There have been great strides in treating mental illness. The new drugs are amazing. You should look into them. The taxpayer foots the bill for everything over there, right? So they won’t cost useless mouths like yourself a cent.

And pick up Rosetta Stone while you’re at it.

what’s ou pseudo there ?

“As the Russian Dark Lord’s shadow falls across the shires of freedom once again, the response from the West has been confused, belated and inadequate: fear eclipsed courage; ignorance masqueraded as wisdom; and, in “Old Europe,” greed vanquished justice.”

http://tinyurl.com/6aol8h

http://tinyurl.com/6mhtcw

Now let’s turn Moscow and Tehran into two giant single mirror telescopes and get it over with… start huntin’ us some Klingons or Borg.

and france is a capital of riots, wtf r u talking about

instead of whinnng on a site that is aquierred to your corrupted government, you should try to help your empathetic opinionned compatriots to get a more balanced approach of neighbouring relations, and don’t forget to respect the opposition, that will likely replace you for the next elections, oh wait, your president will have a new ego crisis till then… good luck amigo

Why even bother?? Surely, Giorgi knows that Americans stopped paying attention to French notions of “a more balanced approach of neighbouring relations” after franchie’s countrymen showed their backs to Rommel’s panzers in 1940.

cant believe those bastards are putting short range missiles down in south Ossetia.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/ss-21.htm

In all fairness (and I hate Putin), President Bush probably qualifies as someone who was Putin’s friend (that “I looked into his eyes” statement.)

“France has no honor. She lost that when she rounded up her Jews and gave them to the Nazis.”

Again, in all fairness I think, sometimes, it borders on ridiculous that everytime Frenchie (who I certaintly disagree with) expresses any kind of opinion that isn’t in line with everyone here, someone brings up France’s surrender in WWII.

The reason it’s absurd is this - every time someone brings up reparations, slavery, or Jim Crow laws, the response of everyone is “I wasn’t even born yet, I have nothing to do with that, I don’t owe anyone anything, it’s ridiculous to bring that up.”

So history doesn’t carry past a generation in that sense - which I agree with.

However, with Frenchie everyone changes their tune - suddenly France’s past is very relevant, and, despite the fact that she wasn’t alive then, somehow she’s responsible for it, and whatever she says should be discredited because she’s an “appeasing” French.

It’s the same as saying - “You’re an American, so you must be racist.”

“…whatever she says should be discredited because she’s an “appeasing” French.”

Well no…. her posts are those of a moral/political relativist that happens to be french. Her ‘views’ actually do change with her ‘feelings’.
That the french have not given up their appeasing ways is actually just an aside to her liberal Socialist views which are clearly antithetical to the site and, hopefully, will continue to be so for our country.

Thanks, Giorgi, for writing that. I’ve really been heartened by the firm words recently spoken by Bush and Condi, but they’ve been smart enough not to give the game away.

Would you say that Georgia is by-and-large pro-U.S.?

Hope you don’t mind me adding this here, but Franchie from the beginning has lashed out at you. It may be that she doesn’t like the thought of someone on Georgia’s turf sharing the truth.

What is his interest ? does he work fo a “propaganda” firm ? or just a poor guy tha makes the important, because he believe that his country is powerful ? I don’t think that his history revisionsm is helping anywhere the US, because History will recover the “objective truths” over his popular vindict (that is old of a few century, a remain of anglo-saxon perfid concurrence against the Frenchs) after this neo-cons peripecy (see in their doctrin how they consider that lies are not morally reprehenible if they are ment “useful” for the agenda of their policy). I believe that these times of conter-truths will become a “shame” in the US history

What is his interest ? does he work fo a “propaganda” firm ? or is he just a poor guy tha makes the “important”, because he believes that his country is powerful ? I don’t think that his history revisionsm is helping anywhere the US, because History will recover the “objective truths” over his popular vindict (that is old of a few century, a remain of anglo-saxon perfid concurrence against the Frenchs) after this neo-cons peripecy (see in their doctrin how they consider that lies are not morally reprehenible if they are ment “useful” for the agenda of their policy). I believe that these times of conter-truths will become a “shame” in the US history

ok Im a moral-poltical-relativist-liberal-socialist, uh, you forgot “arrogant”, what’s next ?

the diffrence with you is that we can adapt and “SURVIVE”

in a century, the Frenchs still will be a reference

I doubt that your “moral” vision still will be the moral concern of your country

France has no honor. She lost that when she rounded up her Jews and gave them to the Nazis.

I recommand you to read an above post about the numbers, and american HISTORIANS, not the propaganda

BTW, each year Israel allotes the “medal of the Justs” to a few Frenchs that saves Jews during the war.

Do you know that these Frenchs were not avocating to have made what they thought “morally” right, even facing a death threat. It is Isael’s invetigations that finds out.

Now make the comparaison with the other nazy occpied countries, see who is “morally” sane !!!

You’re an American, so you must be racist.

an excellent slogan (and or cliché) for “the Frenchs are surrender monkeys”

uh, the neo-con policy makes marvels come true, can’t see that the US army department is happy, didn’t see talks from there, nor a great support

Read my entire post. I was quoting that from someone else. In fact, I was arguing against labeling you as an “appeaser”.

Two things….

You said.. “georgia was going to get overrun not today but maybe tomorrow, regardless of who’s the president”

I agree. The recent run-up of energy values and Russia’s exploitation of its own energy resources gave Russia the financial and political wherewithal to start reinvigorating its military and pursue its imperial aims now.
At this stage that is still a good deal of bluster. If it is not checked forcefully… in my opinion two or three years from now it will be much more dangerous.

You said… “Azerbaijan chose a neutral side as they got the armenian problem”

I’ve read that the “Armenian problem” has been financed by Russia. To the tune of $1 billion so far this year.

And we should try our best to practice what we preach to our own leaders as far as the French. Ignore them. As a famous American writer observed… ‘you never can prove anything to a lunatic — for that is a part of their insanity and the evidence of it.’

Good luck to you Giorgi.

Georgia is going to regret this. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon and forever.

“Round up the usual suspects.”

“Get outta here, you crazy Russian!”

Franchie “You give him credit for too much cleverness. My impression was that he’s just another blundering American. ”

Etc. Etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS0p63pylDc

georgia is just an example of punishment that will follow if any ex-soviet country chooses the political orientation other than a russian one

Yeah, that’s right but it was also a response to the missiles plan in Poland

and are you making “irony” when you said “labelling you as an appeaser” ?

“Georgia is going to regret this. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon and forever.”

“Regret” what? Blundering into being attacked?

the preacher of morals, non relative though, but that only represents the neocons’, uh, 8 %, 9 % in the US, that makes policy with Bible versets and or quotes of the net library, that suits his vision of the evils, freedom of thought, is the moral anathem’s, but he can’t see yet that he is on Uranus, ok he does, but he still twists the desesperate “objective truths”

ok sully is going to be lunatic if I get supports

Then why start one?

Pardon me for belaboring the point, but your reparations analogy is indeed imprecise. As sully pointed out, slavery and Jim Crow are things of the past, which is something that can’t be said for French appeasement. Furthermore, not all things die with the passing of every generation - lessons go unlearned, mistakes are denied and left uncorrected, and parents pass their sins and/or failures on to their children.

Old habits die hard.

NATO in emergency session on crisis in Georgia
August 20, 2008

Russia showed no signs of leaving Georgia and threatened to crush resistance as NATO leaders held an emergency meeting overnight on the crisis.

The US, Britain and many eastern European states are pressing for a tough stance, but France, Germany and others are reluctant to alienate Moscow…

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24209080-5012748,00.html

“Reluctant to alienate Moscow”?

Giorgi & sully -
What’s an 11 letter word, beginning with the letter “A”, that is used to describe this “reluctance” to “alienate” Moscow?

I think, that’s because Russia was driven into a corner. It’s a Bush’s fault. Next time US should be not so hurried. Even rats become dangerous when they don’t have a way to escape.

“Russia has informed us they intend to visit Venezuela, that is, the intention that a Russian fleet should come to the Caribbean,” Chavez said on his weekly radio program.

“I told the president (Medvedev), ‘If you’re coming to the Caribbean, we’ll welcome you,’” Chavez said, adding that the Russian naval fleet would pay “a friendly and working” visit to Venezuela…

“We very much need them here,” Chavez said of the Russian weapons. “We’ve got the helicopters, the Sukoi fighters and we’re now considering buying some Russian submarines to patrol our territorial waters,” Chavez said.

—-economic times, India

cause I din’t find yur statment on diverse news that the Nato enforcement is only of Brits’ and Neocons’

“It’s a Bush’s fault.”

Bush made Russia attack Georgia?
Get the fuck outta here with that shit.
Seriously… bring something better if you can.
Fucking pussies.

In any case, the time to deal with this conflict was two years ago or four years ago. That there was a security vacuum in the Caucasus; that this vacuum was dangerous; that war was likely; that Georgia, an eager ally of the United States, would not come out of it well; that a successful invasion of Georgia, a country with U.S. troops on its soil, would reflect badly on the West—all of that has been obvious for a long time. Cowardice, weakness, lack of ideas, and above all the distraction of other events prevented any deeper engagement. And now it may be too late.

Russia hits back at Nato warning
Last updated at 18:07 GMT, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 19:07 UK

Russia has dismissed a warning by Nato that normal relations are impossible while its troops remain inside Georgia.

Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov accused Nato of bias and of trying to save the “criminal regime” in Tbilisi.

He insisted Moscow was not occupying Georgia and had no plans to annex the separatist region of South Ossetia.

Earlier, Nato demanded that Russia pull out its troops from Georgia as agreed in an EU-brokered ceasefire plan signed by both parties at the weekend.

Russian President Dmitri Medvedev told his French counterpart Nicolas Sarkozy in a phone call that the pull-out would be complete by 21-22 August, with the exception of some 500 troops, who will be installed in peacekeeping posts on either side of South Ossetia’s border.

Some Russian troops have been seen leaving Gori, the largest Georgian town close to the South Ossetia border.

But BBC correspondents on the ground say there are still Russian artillery positions in place. In addition, there are Russian checkpoints close to the Georgian capital, Tbilisi.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7571104.stm

Yeah sure… when does it START ?

My reply to your questions didn’t post last night, so I’m testing the waters with this one-liner to see if it ends up in the spaminator, too.

You wrote: “the [Georgian] population is pro-US, always was, thats why i think french and germans act like it, the want some love too, they actually complained about it in 2004 telling our president why is he spending so much time with americans, and he answered that the US is doing more than all of europe put together….”

That’s not something you’ll read in our MSM. Thanks, again, Giorgi, for sharing the truth.

When Israel was being bombarded by scud missiles from Iraq, I used to telephone friends in Jerusalem to find out the truth. The left-leaning U.S. media was downplaying the danger.

I’ve lived in Scandinavia and can tell you their news coverage of the U.S. was always negative. They used to air documentaries of the mistakes the U.S. military made during WWII. They didn’t credit the U.S. for saving their butts at all.

The average American is really ignorant about Europe unless they’ve spent some time there. And the average European doesn’t have a clue about the U.S. They think they do, but they’re regurgitating what their very slanted media says. You’ve lived in the U.S. and so you’ve seen a balance.

I never found a European who had traveled to the U.S. who didn’t enjoy it. (I’m excluding New York and Los Angeles because they’re aberrations. I’ll get heat over this one.) Europeans need to stop spending their vacations in the Canary Islands and Majorca and visit the U.S.

This is not publicized, but foreign exchange students to the U.S. sometimes go into deep depressions after returning to their home countries. This happened to a French student I knew. His family was distraught and consultations with the family priest didn’t help.

Dominique was wasting away for the United States. He missed our very healthy freedoms and the warmth of his U.S. friends. We are very demonstrative when we like someone.

Thanks again, Girogi, for your input. I haven’t said this before, but today I’m a Georgian.

are talking about a-word ending with an “n” …noooo..there could be a better way i’m sure just push them to the northern end of the continent… russians had a popular slogan since Stalins’ death - Georgia without Georgians! i’ll say time has come for - Caucasus without Russia!
When i lived in NYC I had found very rare and interesting Russian historical books about caucasus (im sure they are well hidden in russia, written in 1800s) well, the russian general who was conquering the northern slopes of Caucasus had noted that the Caucasus represents a huge fortress with a garrison of half a million warriors…we (russians) have to keep this land as a permanent hotspot as the resistance here is always tough and it presents us(russians) with a huge opportunity to continiusly train and hone the fighting skills of our army…in past 12-14 years russians were practicing a war with chechens, then after reaching certain results they wanted to fight something more organized, like western-trained georgian army, just to see how will the fighting skills of the russian soldiers would prove themselfs…the result is clear, as far as the ground warfare goes - its a complete mess, and if not for the russias air supperiority the victory over georgia would be impossible (this is exact quote from the russian news paper Nezavisemaya Gazeta (www.ng.ru), the military section) … guys the verdict has been reached - russian ground forces are worthless, even their famed airborne troops were more or less capable, sort of on par with our regular georgian soldiers and we had about 1500 special forces of all kinds there - army, police and anti-terror units …here are some vids, like a police version of “be all you can be” georgian style :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUNjf7kvKqQ&feature=related
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWqGZCGoNcM

its sad that some of those boys are no longer with us…

i have not a doubt in my mind that after several years russians will engenier another conflict in caucasus, create a second chechnya. ingushetia and kabardino-balkaria autonomus republics are the prime candidates…as i said, they need training..and a place where the generals add another star and lieutenants become colonels and some politicians in moscow will get kick-backs from the military procurement and materiel “losses” during the conflict, just like they did it in chechnya, selling them the weapons to fight them the next day, but blame georgia turkey and even the West for supplying the weapons and helping “terrorists” - personaly i see chechens as people who have been forced to extremes - about 200,000+ of them got killed in last 12 years of conflict, anybody in those types of situations will loose his human side and will become an animal. and animals are easier to control than humans…and thats what they are trying to bring on georgians.

My letter still hasn’t posted since last night so I’m going to recreate it and send it in two parts to try to fool the spaminator!

Cops talk about a “pattern and practice” when defining died-in-the-wool criminals. Russia has a pattern and practice of lying. I have a folder full of newspaper articles from the 1990s that expose Russia’s lies while it was pretending to be a friend to the West.

Russia’s propaganda machine is in full-swing again, and its not just recently. Its young people may become as brainwashed as those during Nikita Khrushchev’s era. In the 1960s, “the young people had no idea what happened in Stalin’s time, no notion of the extent of the repressions.” (From “Khrushchev On Khrushchev” by Nikita’s son, Sergei, who is a naturalized U.S. citizen.)

It’s not a coincidence that Medvedev and Ahmadinejad are both bragging about their military capabilities for entering into sustained war. In 1995, Russia was planning to build a nuclear reactor in Iran. And during Pres. Clinton’s second term, it was revealed that Russia had secretly used billions of dollars of aid money to build up its submarine force.

What else has Russia built up that the West isn’t reporting?

In the early 1990s, a Russian communications ship berthed at a U.S. port. My spouse and I hosted a young Russian sailor for the day. He was pathetically thin, nothing but skin and bones. Just like his comrades.

Russian soldiers today are vey well-fed by comparison.

We took Andre home and fed him pizza, which he’d requested. We also took him to the mall. He was in full Russian uniform and very stern looking as we walked quickly past the shops. He stopped people in their tracks.

Driving Andre back to his ship, he saw a car with Alaskan license plates in front of us and blurted out: “That’s our country!”

This was during the cessation of the Cold War. By the way, if you really want to know what’s going on in a country, politically and otherwise, ask a Christian missionary. There’s more than one reason dictators and Communists don’t like missionaries. The truth gets out, at least to the Christian community.

Georgians hope U.S. will help defend way of life
By Jeffrey Stinson, USA TODAY
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-08-18-georgia_N.htm

Let’s keep this in mind as we move forward, folks - the Georgian people are going to need a lot more than military assistance in the weeks and months ahead:

“I love Americans,” says Tamara Tabatadze, 42, who teaches English and Russian.

She fled the devastated town of Gori in central Georgia on foot with her two sons as the Russians moved into that city last week. “I defend Americans. They are the best people I have ever known,” she says.

She’s now living in a tent provided by a French aid agency at a makeshift camp at an abandoned Soviet military base just off George W. Bush Street.

She’s wearing clothes donated by Tbilisi residents. She and about 140 other displaced people get running water from an outside trough. There are portable toilets but little else. None have cars or money to get the few miles into the city.

Republican presidential candidate John McCain may not be able to travel to Georgia just now, but two of his surrogates headed off today to do some intelligence gathering of their own on the Russian invasion.

Sens. Joseph I. Lieberman , I-Conn., and Lindsey Graham , R-S.C., both closely involved in the Arizona’s senator’s campaign, are traveling to Poland and the Ukraine as well to gauge reaction.

“We are going to Tbilisi, Warsaw and Kiev to meet with the leaders of these important American allies and to discuss the Russian invasion of Georgia,” Lieberman said. “This is a moment in history when it is vital for the world’s democracies to stand in solidarity.”

http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=news-000002939217

When Congress gets back next month, it will consider a proposal to extend Georgia $1 billion in emergency aid. The White House likewise stated that emergency assistance to Georgia would amount to “a substantial commitment” from the U.S. for humanitarian, reconstruction and military aid..

Here’s to you, your countrymen and your homeland

The days of Russian revanchism in Georgia are coming to an end.

Great story. Thanks for sharing it.

“By the way, if you really want to know what’s going on in a country, politically and otherwise, ask a Christian missionary….”

True. My middle daughter is doing Christian missionary work now.

Wow! Thanks for the link to that USA Today article. I’m going to request that the staff consider posting it. (I’ve posted it again below.)

I’ve written this before, but you’ll be interested to know that the average Iranian was very pro-American before Khomeini took over in January 1979. The average Iranian was also pro-French but they weren’t crazy about the Brits or the Germans at all. (I used to live there.)

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-08-18-georgia_N.htm

Thanks for the reply. All the best to your daughter’s missionary activities.

When I lived in Europe, anti-Americanism was at an all-time high. Pres. Nixon was called “Hitler” on the front pages of many publications. (Sound similar to today’s slurs against Bush?)

Most Europeans believe Nixon started the Vietnam war. I’m sure your daughter’s aware of this falsehood. It’s a wonderful thing to correct an enlightened European by saying, no, it was Pres. Johnson, a Democrat, who started the Vietnam war. (Pres. Kennedy greatly increased the number of military “advisors” in Nam.)

That one correction sometimes opens the door to exposing other falsehoods about the U.S. :o) :o) :o) :o)

what is the point ?

our AFGANISTAN war needs the russian accommodations

then again, what is the most important for us ?

fight against Russia or fight against the islamists ?

don’t make a tempest in a cup of tea, evident choices have been made, that’s also where 10 of our brave soldiers die for

http://www.nato.int/docu/pr/2008/p08-049e.html

lmao…

“We also welcome our [NATO-Russian] cooperation on military interoperability, theatre missile defence, search and rescue at sea, and civil emergency planning.”

Thanks… I just added that to my ‘things I don’t give a fuck about’ logbook.

It’s clear that France has added Georgia to their own.

Actually, that was the Nato worry

explain why your military heads don’t voice for an intervention against Russia… bravo Condi, your good comedian LMAO

France is just following the orders

NATO’s foreign ministers reiterate their support for Georgia
http://www.nato.int/docu/update/2008/08-august/e0819a.html

It’s not in the article, but NATO made it clear in no uncertain cowardly terms that any assistance from the alliance would be non-military in nature, i.e., humanitarian assistance and civilian reconstruction projects only. So far, the U.S. is the only country that has explicitly stated that it will provide military assistance to the Georgians following the cessation of hostilities.

“I’m franchie and I approved this message.”

..at the bottom of your posts… you could run for political office as a Dhimmicrat in this country.

uh, you forget that they are only emergency propositions

for the next adhesion, it will be discussed next december

in the eventuality of a positive decision, it’ll take a few more months of discussions to define the project, and a few more years to realise it

“I’m franchie and I approved this message.”

and I am not running for your Dh office, sully suffice

And your continued and worthless attempts to treat Georgia as some odd form of ‘collateral damage’ to Afghanistan really are sickening. And bringing the 10 dead French patriots into your ‘argument’ to attempt to justify it morally is even worse.

You’re a sick person franchie.

you got plenty of reserve I see,

naturally I realised it was the same link, in the “actualities”

and don’t try to twist the sense of my message, “vade retro satan”

you can’t even catch that

you can’t even catch that”

i seem to have trouble understanding the great truths behind this statement … maybe its a french version, or an attempt at reverse-psychology in order to defend ones ignorance and lack of any logic behind a single sentence by presenting an argument for sake of an argument full of infamous french snobbism

Two words:

Rosetta Stone.

though thank you to let me know the bottom of your heart,

guess, I had already an idea

At night you lie awake
seeking new forms of torture:
word games and idioms
that will make you sound smarter.

Hit us with your best shot
and do it at your leisure,
you’re our little cabbage now
but soon you’ll be…..

Does anyone have the last line?

I get back from a short vacation and see this thread still thriving?! I really feel the need to add my 2 or 3 cents, depends on how many beers it takes for me to finish…

First, I have to compliment you on your endurance…you are the energizer bunny of bullshit. However, this word salad that you comment in (just a bunch of words tossed together) is extremely difficult to understand. Granted, I’m just a dumb ole redneck from the south, so I may not know an educated argument from, well, yours.

Second, it seems that you feel it’s important to throw in some of your native tongue into most of your comments. Now, I really don’t know if you feel it makes yourself sound more intelligent, better than us, or maybe you just do it out of habit…so maybe you won’t mind if I use some of my favorite expressions, in my native tongue of course.

Understanding exactly what you’re saying is as hard as trying to steer a herd of cats.

Lastly franchie, and I mean this sincerely…you couldn’t pour rain out of a boot with a hole in the toe and directions on the heel.

I like that image, though I got a good feeder on my circuit

I’m just a dumb ole redneck from the south, so I may not know an educated argument from, well, yours

No, you are not, you are an authentic gentleman, I haven’t seen many in the past week

I didn’t mean looking more intelligent, it’s that that my biquering partner pushed it in that way

franchie

Like I mentioned earlier, this isn’t a thread anymore, this is: Pat’s Café Américain

It was twisted when it got here.

Pretty typical Lib fare from franchie of the same type over on DailyKos, Democratic Underground and mybarackobama.

If they thought of it and were able to type it, then by gosh it must be true. Because they’re brilliant and there it is in black and white.
Never a thought that Socialism/Communism is a dead end because it consistently fails.
Same with moral relativity.
Same with appeasement of people that want to kill you.
On and on and on.
If the facts don’t fit, make new facts.

I’d recommend checking in with him often because he tends to post new stuff at irregular intervals when he is in the field.

Seems the Georgians haven’t lost their sense of Irony…..

“To the Russian embassy in Tbilisi they brought old refrigerators, toilets, rolls of toilet paper, irons, bottles of vodka,….”

SEE!! Told you that Ukraine could defend itself by lining the border with cases of vodka!!!
During the Cold War, we said we weren’t worried about a Russian invasion…. they’d land and buy McDonalds franchises or convenience/liquor stores… the PAKI’S beat ‘em to it though.

Hahahahaha. I pulled up the baldilocks link. What a riot. So the Russian looters took forks and spoons and toilet paper, etc. God bless the Georgian people for carrying on and showing the irony of the situation.

Oh! I read Mikhail Gorbachev’s op-ed in the New York Times. I didn’t realize at first that it had been written by him, and I was thinking that it sounded like something straight out of Pravda! Little did I know how right I was.

Gorbachev lied all the way through. He said — get this — that Russia had wanted a cease-fire all along but Georgia’s president had consistently refused.

I’ve been wondering about your national anthem. Would you feel comfortable sharing some of the lyrics (in English)?

Also, I heard that the Georgian language is one of the oldest in the world.

you are one of my last discoveries here, and I don’t regret it

though, might be of short life, Im not eternally wanting to handle the same ol debates, that go nowhere, with the same contradictors, especially that stubborn and biased
sully, with his obsessions of socialism & tutti quanti of evil that France is supposed to be

Also to Giorgi, I wonder why, as a French, I should accept his country in our EU community, seems that she hasn’t the requierred criteriums : he dislikes us as much as URSS, and if it is true that his views are the real representation of his contry’s, then I’ll make sure if I can empech it with my vote, I’ll do it

to thoses, that find me funny, , I had my times of untertainment too.

especially I also thank the soldiers that help to make that world a bit sane, I went on that site, because of John Cunningham, that I knew from somewhere else, that I found funny, interesting, kind

to sully, you already lost, your morals (?) are from 2 cenuries ago ; I’ll put you in my mental zoo

I noticed you’ve been calling Giorgi “the brave peasant” (le brave paysan).

You’re a provocateur. And you have an agenda. You began attacking Giorgi soon after he began posting comments on this site. I’m convinced that you are pro-Russia and pro-Pravda (meaning, pro-Communist). That’s probably where you spend the rest of your time when you’re not on this blog.

Like Giorgi, I have French friends I like very much. We speak openly and honestly. They’re not disengenuous like you.

Either tell us what your true intentions are or find another blog where they’ll accept your bullshit. Grow up. By the way, that’s the end of the poem.

Many russian artists, writers, scentists, sportmen… are great and or genius

Plus, I know St Petersburg, which is one of the most beautiful towns in the world

me, seen as stupid by your standards, I don’t mind, too fuckin one side viewed !!!

“Passer pour un idiot aux yeux d’un imbécile est une volupté de fin gourmet” Georges Courteline (Billie dico )

see you in a couple of years, how your doing with your Bush avenue

Yeah. You caught me. I am stubbornly biased against Socialism and France. More so Socialists and the French though.
France is a lovely place. Till you go there. It has that delightful combination of arrogance and stupid that you just can’t find in many other places. And clearly they believe it fine enough to export.
Hmmm… same as Socialism I suppose.

“to sully, you already lost, your morals (?) are from 2 cenuries ago…”

Well actually ‘my’ morals are MUCH older than that.
And unlike you, they are the same morals I had yesterday.

“I’ll put you in my mental zoo”

I KNEW you had one of those. You should try spending less time in the primate section. (You’ve picked up that nasty habit of throwing feces.)
K?

Please clarify, who is the brave farmer? I thought it may be (mis)directed at me, but, again, it’s difficult to tell and I definitely don’t like t ass-ume anything. If so, please let me assure you that the stubbornness you mention is actually conviction, and I’ll give you the bias. I am extremely biased. I’ve watched the moralistic fiber of this country go to shit over the past few decades and am no longer willing to be a quiet passenger in the liberalistic bus to hell. I served proudly in our military, not for anything more than the desire to protect and defend the rights Americans are born with.

I hold people, everyone, accountable for their actions, words, and policies. I’m no longer willing to be a member of the silent majority in America and will use my voice, or my stubborn, biased debate, to reach anyone that is willing to read. Whether one agrees with me, thats up to them, but I will have my say, my 2 cents. I’m guessing you probably feel the same way…you know you’re not going to change my mind, or anyone elses on this site. Everyone has a unique viewpoint, whether they are right or wrong…in my view, there are a lot of wrong ones out there, but I’m stubborn and biased.

And, just for future reference, I’m of the “high tech redneck” type…

Please clarify, who is the brave farmer? I thought it may be (mis)directed at me, but, again, it’s difficult to tell and I definitely don’t like t ass-ume anything. If so, please let me assure you that the stubbornness you mention is actually conviction, and I’ll give you the bias. I am extremely biased. I’ve watched the moralistic fiber of this country go to shit over the past few decades and am no longer willing to be a quiet passenger in the liberalistic bus to hell. I served proudly in our military, not for anything more than the desire to protect and defend the rights Americans are born with.

I hold people, everyone, accountable for their actions, words, and policies. I’m no longer willing to be a member of the silent majority in America and will use my voice, or my stubborn, biased debate, to reach anyone that is willing to read. Whether one agrees with me, thats up to them, but I will have my say, my 2 cents. I’m guessing you probably feel the same way…you know you’re not going to change my mind, or anyone elses on this site. Everyone has a unique viewpoint, whether they are right or wrong…in my view, there are a lot of wrong ones out there, but I’m stubborn and biased.

And, just for future reference, I’m of the “high tech redneck” type…

C-SPAN covered an 8/13 panel discussion at the American Enterprise Institute. The panel included Lt. Col. Ralph Peters, Fred Kagan and Lt. Col. Bob Hamilton who, up until 8/3, was the Pentagon’s Defense Cooperation Officer in Tbilisi. Interesting stuff and available now in the C-SPAN archives.
They identified Abkhazia as Russia’s main goal. 9000 troops and 350 armored vehicles into Abkhazia in a day.
Kagan also said ‘the Russians had gotten tired of watching American equipment destroy Russian equipment over the years and wanted to destroy some American stuff.’

“instead they were ordered to retreat ??? ”

To defend the Capital?

Do you really believe you had a chance against Russia?

and you’re not one sided at all, no sir!

Listen up, Franchie. What do you think gives you the right to have a forum where you can take out all of your frustrations on other posters here any old time you feel like it?

You sit around all day long living on this website looking for people to argue with, baiting people and drawing them in to your arguments which are merely a cover for the frustrations in your life that we all experience and deal with in various ways.

My advice to you is to start being nicer. Stop arguing so much or you will find that your comments don’t even appear on these forums. Your contribution financially to the site is very much appreciated, but it does not buy you the right to stir up shit and get into fights with every other person who comments on a thread you are watching.

I have never said anything before because I either was too busy or didn’t give a shit. But everyone is a little tired of the Troll.

Sometimes you have very nice things to say, and given the on again off again relationship America has been having with France, Sarko is great, you would do your country a great service by representing the French in a positive light here.

PS: My ancestors are from Navarre which is on your southern border with Spain, so I suspect somewhere back down the Bash line there have been some good times in France.

I sure hope these aren’t the mercenaries from Chechnya.

“French, British and US officials are drafting a UN security council resolution in New York stiffening the terms of a Russian pullout, and agreement was reached to deploy the first western monitors in Georgia.” (Guardian)

It’s nice to see the three countries working together. Vive le France, Hail Brittania, and God bless the U.S.A.

Now, I got on my nerves because of what certain persons say about us, that are totally BS (guess who)

I went tonight in a Chilian restaurant, meet there people
that were Argentinians, Italians, germans… we all spoke
together, no matter the countries policies, we were people
who talk about their life, where we are going…

BTW, the chilian rosé is OK, I can’t anwser to each comment,
my USB key is limited

so, I don’t want to undermine anyone,

sorry angry redneck, you never was in the bad frame

NEXT SARCASTIC WORDS TYPED BY FRANCHIE

EDITED OUT BY LFTBHNDAGN BECAUSE FRANCHIE HASN’T LEARNED HER LESSON

I suspect among the first things we’ll provide Georgia after things stabilize is a full-up air defense network, from CRAM to Patriots, and everything in between.

Of course, no matter how good it is, if the Russians launch enough missiles some will get through. But if we have aircraft, manned and unmanned, taking out all the launchers they can find, that might even things out a bit.

I’m certain that future training and equipping of the Georgian military will focus more on conventional warfare. Motivated, well trained and equipped soldiers holding easily defended terrain are almost impossible to dislodge, especially if they have air superiority.

From the little I can gather about the actual fighting, one of the problems for the Georgians was that the Russians had absolute artillery superiority. Putin’s Air Force underperformed, but the arty made up for its inaccuracy with numbers. Although that could be said about every other part of their invasion.

Counterbattery radar and MLRS would make short work of their tubes, though.

Russia’s humiliating retreat begins. Poor showing by their military.

“We just got to have the balls” We do. Our leaders do not.

“…Where are the ‘International Solidarity Movement’ protesters who like to attack Israeli troops and police and to serve as ‘human shields’ to protect the Palestinian ‘victims’ of Israeli self-defense? Why are they not rushing to Ossetia and Georgia to stand up to the Russian troops, throwing rocks at them and singing Kun-Ba-Ya?”

“Where are the leftist human shields blocking the path of Russian military vehicles the same way they block Israeli Defense Forces operations? Are they afraid they will not be served the same nice gourmet lattes they get when Israeli forces apprehend them for hooliganism in the West Bank?”

“Why are leftists not organizing ships to break the Russian blockade of the Georgia coast the same way they are trying to provide sea-borne aid to the Hamas in Gaza? Where are the Rachel Corries and why are they not challenging Russian bulldozer crews? Why are the Anarchists against the Wall not hopping planes to Tbilisi to challenge Russian construction crews erecting walls in Abkhazia and Ossetia? Why are the Israeli leftist professors not holding pro-Ossetian poetry readings and solidarity rallies in Tbilisi?”
(Front Page News, Steven Plaut, August 21, 2008)

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=DC49AA2C-FE1D-4FFB-BB15-E61BB0110F76

It would be nice if we also had a thread relating to news about Islam.

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2008/08/christian-convert-burned-alive-in-saudi.html

The UK’s first Sharia-compliant prepaid MasterCard was launched on August 12, 2008. It charges no interest and receives no credit.

http://europenews.dk/en/node/13039

The UK’s Sharia Gold Card Scam

“Not only does the money donated by the company (10%) to “charities” entail the risk that it will flow to Islamists as well as terrorism, it also encourages the West to be more compliant to the implementation of the rest of Sharia as well. Frog in the pot on slow boil, as I see it. But here is another reason why the West and Muslims themselves should avoid the whole deal, it’s a BIG RIP OFF.”

http://tundratabloid.blogspot.com/

Thanks for keeping us informed. We’re learning things that our media either doesn’t know about or isn’t sharing. I’m excited about Israel helping you.

Umm… Just a guess… cuz they’ll get shot?

From what I’ve heard, the guided missile destroyer USS McFaul (DDG 74) and the US Coast Guard cutter Dallas (WHEC 716) are underway and the USS Mount Whitney (LCC 20) is on stand-by.

USS McFaul
http://www.navysite.de/dd/ddg74.htm

USCGC Dallas
http://www.uscg.mil/lantarea/cgcDallas/

USS Mount Whitney
http://www.navysite.de/ships/lcc20.htm

This just in: The USS Mount Whitney (which is the flagship of the US Sixth Fleet) has been given orders to sail to Georgia. This is a good move on many levels.

embedded Russian photographer war pictures from the ground out of Georgia

http://www.navoine.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=551

1. “The US currently gives Russia close to $1 billion a year in aid, mostly to help secure Russia’s nuclear weapons and materials.”

2. “LONDON- Russia is considering arming its Baltic fleet with nuclear warheads for the first time since the cold war, warned senior military sources late August 17.”

http://fredfryinternational.blogspot.com/2008/08/why-its-ok-to-stop-paying-1-billion.html

Am I being a nitpicker, or should Pelosi have picked a bi-partisan team? I know the Georgians appreciate anyone coming to their aid right now.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,409024,00.html

Ditto. I’d love to have some links to your info. I’m still up and about and will check back in case you read this.

This time i think, considering extencive connection of our govt with the west especially the US, it looks like as if it were the russians who actually got trapped. their plan was to depose our current pro-western leadership and install a puppet (Igor Giorgadze - ex-security chief, wanted for an attempt to blow up our ex-president in 1996, now lives in Moscow) this pln suffered a fiasco, so then they went for plan “B” and that is to harass the locals so the people would be forced to depose their govt themselves for this shit to stop. russian Forign Minister Lavrov have actually vocalised this doring an interview. their plan “B” also flopped. the only russian plan that will ever work will be to leave us alone and not to interfere with our daily lives and politics.
Now I am sure that the flotilla of 7 NATO warships in our teritorial waters is sending the clear signals for russians as to who is the “real player” in the region.
now I wonder how will the russian people react to the massive investments recall form the russian economy, how will they react when the info on real losses in manpower will surface. how about the steadily falling oil prices - the main source of cash for the “Mighty Russian Federation”. i think is a prime time for some nasty ass propoganda on them russians. now it will be the liliPutins turn to fight for the power and against his own people. karma is a bitch.

TBILISI, Georgia (CNN) — Most Russian troops have withdrawn from eastern and western Georgia, but they still maintain some checkpoints in the country, a spokesman for Georgia’s Interior Ministry said Saturday.

Georgian police were resuming control of the city of Gori after Russian troops departed, and internally displaced people were returning, said Shota Utiashvili, an Interior Ministry spokesman.

Russian troops no longer controlled a key east-west highway, Utiashvili said, but they maintained checkpoints in the Black Sea port of Poti. The port is outside of of South Ossetia, a Georgian separatist region that is at the heart of the conflict.

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/23/russia.georgia.withdrawal/

my mail box is in profile “My soup is” blogspot.com

What does “polichinelle” mean? My dictionary says it means “punch.”

I’m probably using the word in the wrong context, but Giorgi informed us there are Russian diversionary forces left in the forests. They stole Georgian army uniforms. That could definitely pack a punch, so to speak.

by the way most of the armed personel on the pics are not russians, mostly chechens, kossacks, and ossetians (the BMP2 with writinigs on it, and riding LandRover) - they all wore a white band on the elbow … russians just looted and bombed the cities

A journalist recently denigrated the “used” helmets, canteens, and boots the U.S. ostensibly gave Georgia, and also the “ancient” U.S. tanks. I wrote a comment refuting his information but I don’t think it posted.

The U.S. is always updating and creating new military equipment. The U.S. tanks given to Georgia could have been 10-years-old or two-years-old and would have been in excellent working order. The helmets and canteens are sometimes sold in American surplus stores, so obviously they’re constructed to last for years.

However, a veteran told me that U.S. military personnel are free to keep their boots. Georgian soldiers would have received new boots from the U.S. It’s no wonder the Russians stole them off the feet of the dying Georgian soldiers.

Regarding the photos, your heart must be breaking right now. We really appreciate the time you’re taking to fill us in on what the media isn’t bothering to report.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulcinella

Polichinelle is convenient for qualifying a political character, ie who you know… quite a few nowadays

also we say “avoir un polichinelle dans le tiroir”
try a guess

Ohhh. Yes, it makes sense. Punch was a character often mentioned by American journalists in the 1970s, I think. I wonder why that analogy has fallen out of disfavor? It’s either considered passe or so many of our (Democratic) politicans fit that category that it would be redundant to keep mentioning it.

Did I understand correctly? Did you mention that you have a business in your home? I work from my home as well and am able to pull up this blog frequently.

A friend of mine who’s a war vet recently told me that the Russians are “landmine happy.” I wonder how many they’ve laid in Georgia besides this one.

“The Kremlin’s plan now appears clear: to maintain a significant military presence in Georgia, capable of choking the country’s economy and shutting down its major trade routes. It also allows Russia the option of a future invasion, should it want one.” (Guardian)

The truth comes out.

“Avoir un polichinelle dans le tiroir” sounds like an idiom, in which case I’d be completely lost.

Polichinelle is also a very cool piano work by Rachmaninoff. I hope you’ve heard it!

the polichinelle in the drawer, the baby youv got when been pregnant, isn’t it a cute expession ?

yes I work at home, at the moment, in vacation on the ligne
Maginot

Tom, I don’t know that piece of piano, I’ll investigate when I’ll be back

my laptop sucks, well the connection

Yes, I understood. “Punch” is the English nickname for Polichinelle. Some English speakers use “Punchinello.” The Wiki link really helped; thanks.

I like your idiom. We say, “Wisdom is proved right by her children.” (It’s an old adage from the Bible.)

I know the Cote d’Azure but not the “ligne maginot.” What part of France are you in? What’s the weather like?

How did your son and wife enjoy the U.S.? What did they think were the pros and cons (positive and negative)? Did they bring back a lot of photos? What state(s) were they in?

Georgia National Anthem:

Dideba zetsit kurtheuls,
Dideba kvehnad samotkhes,
Turpha iversa
Dideba dzmobas, ertobas.
Dideba tavisuplebas,
Dideba samaradiso
Kartulmkhne ersa!

Dideba chvensa samshoblos,
Dideba chveni sitsotskhlis,
Mizans diadsa;
Vasha trphobasa, sikvaruls,
Vesha shvebasa, siharuls,
Salami chesh maritebis,
Shuk gantiadsa!

In English, please?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1-4uUOtW9U&feature=related

ill translate it later

ligne Maginot is situated in Lorraine-Alsace, actually ; Im in the department of Moselle, (Lorraine province), at the Luxemburg borders.

Lots of excellent wines there too, the “blanc perlant”, the “Rosé”, the “pinot rouge”. I bought a few boxes of the different’s.

Tomorrow, we plan to visit the 3 hours trip Maginot line of Hackelberg, trains, refectories, machines halls, head-quaters…

My son and his wife enjoyed their travel to the US, around San Fra, where they attended to their friends’ marriage, then northern California, and Oregon coast

I haven’t seen yet their photos, they are actually too busy to sort them out ; as soon as they came back they had to go to their work, plus they have made built a new house, so their week-end is used to paint the walls, and clean a bit what will be their future garden.

I enjoyed your letter very much. I’ve traveled to numerous European countries but never made it to France, to my regret. Thanks for sharing.

America’s west coast is very beautiful. I’m glad your son and daughter-in-law made it to Oregon because there’s a different atmosphere compared to the Bay Area (San Fran). People in Oregon (and Washington) are more laid back, more hospitable compared to fast-paced Californians, although northern CA is great.

You talked about war memorials. Your family must have gruesome stories to tell from WWII. My in-laws spent two days skiing to Sweden from Norway in the deepest winter to escape Nazi pursuit.

Speaking of wine, I wish we had a wine icon! If I was able to use the icons, which I can’t (my software isn’t compatible, I guess), I’d give you a beer!

Silver Fox is my husband. I, Billie, wrote the letter to you but the Fox’s name carried over automatically in the user name box when it shouldn’t have. We have two different email addresses.

Having massive problems with our computer. It was almost impossible to pull up the blog today.

I’m looking forward to the translation. I read that Georgia’s language is the oldest in the world, and it was the second country (after Armenia) to adopt the religion of Christianity.

billie

My husband said the words that were written are from the both of us, and he wants to give you a beer, too!

Note: My in-laws’ story was published. Their Norwegian pastor had denounced the Nazi occupiers from his pulpit more than once and torn their banners off the walls of his church. The underground had to hide him in a coffin for a couple of weeks before the end of the war.

He later became a member of Parliament.

You’re really educating us. Thanks for taking the time.

Do you ever read Pat Dollard’s “Deep Thoughts” page? He mentioned today that he’s leaving on a trip overseas. It all sounds rather mysterius and important. Can’t wait for his posts.

It’s not every aspiring First Lady whose comfort zone is a war zone, but such is the case for Cindy McCain, who left Monday on a mission to Georgia to assess the civilian casualties caused by the Russian invasion.

Slaw.

“It’s not every aspiring First Lady whose comfort zone is a war zone, but such is the case for Cindy McCain, who left Monday on a mission to Georgia to assess the civilian casualties caused by the Russian invasion.”

Thanks for the link. Think it’ll get even a passing mention from the MSM?

I’m going to translate for them: Russia, kiss my ass.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2068133/posts

le renard argenté est une rareté très précieuse, take a good care of him

Je vous en prie. Ecrir un lettre bientot, s’il vous plait.

When your son’s photos are developed, will you be able to post them here?

T-Bagg posted photos yesterday that he took while on a helicopter flight. You can still see them at “Deep Thoughts.” He used something called Photobucket.

“Bonjour” to your family.

first, one of mines : the General Patton medaillon on a monument in a Thionville square

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/9831/p1020242ub1.jpg

I believe he freed Lorraine (?)

A relative of mine who was in the Norwegian underground was one of the first to be killed by the Germans. There’s a monument in Norway dedicated to him.

I got goosebumps looking at that memorial to General Patton. Where is it located? Merci beacoup.

You must have monuments dedicated to French heroes, too. When you get time, I’d like to see them. ;o)

Another round of beer, bartender! To the lady from France!

woa,the Gal Patton memorial is in center of Thionville, the capital of Moselle

yes there are also many french memorials, to resistants that were shot. you could find them in a small village or in a middle of a forest, De Gaulle and General Leclerc have theirs too in many cities.

Lately Sarko celebrated the anniversary of the massacre of a quater of the population of “Maillé” village : 124 persons killed by the nazis, the same day Paris was liberated

Silver Fox, I suppose you were not talking of our famous Metro

about my family’s war memory, unfortunately, when they still could have been able to talk, we didn’t worry to ask them questions. Most of the elders don’t like to remind these times. Though I know that my mother participated in helping people who were fleeing from Paris by giving them food. She also had the courage (or the unconsciensness)to ride on her bicycle (30 km under planes fights and bombings) until the town of Fougères (that was almost destroyed by bombs) where her sister lived, in order to see if she was still alive.

I read about Maille village where the Nazis went on a rampage as Paris was being liberated. It was in the news here recently, at least on the net. One of the survivors was sharing his experience.

Are the German tourists considered useful idiots in France? Meaning, are they not very well-liked to this day? Probably the younger generation considers their presence in a whole different light.

Silver Fox laughed when I told him about your Metro remark. He’s got something to share with you.

You’re right; I wasn’t talking about the French Metro. But don’t take it personally.

I wanted to add to a previous comment. The French underground saved the lives of a lot of downed American Air Force. They protected them and spirited them out of France.

LOL! VERY funny. A good fit, too….I thought I was going to be cole slaw this week because of all the mistakes I made. Thanks for responding.

Also the Germans are nice and polite persons as individual tourists, but in groups they likely are “invaders”, the youngers easily get “besaufen” (drunk) and would through insults at us.

Silver fox

http://www.maginot-hackenberg.com/accueilanglais.htm

clik on the side links you also get some videos.
I had a post about the cartoons decorations in the tunnels

http://mysoupis.blogspot.com/2006/08/la-ligne-maginot-1930-1935.html

dont’t forget to click on Dr Alzheimer ’s, he has interesting links on the subject

I noticed that the fortress held out against the Germans until late June 1940. Of course, as Americans, we’re proud of Gen. Patton’s Third U.S. Army for breaching it in Nov. 1944 and it was nice to see that tribute.

The Soup is your blog? Is that your self-portrait, the woman with black hair and glasses?

Belgium was the weak link ; she was supposed to resist longer to a german invasion. that’s where happened the “blizt krieg” ; with this action the Germans cheated the Maginot line and invaded France through the north

Silver Fox works with tourists. He can spot a German 100 feet away. Each country has it’s uniqueness and peculiarities, and he’s developed an eye for them.

The Germans are loud, travel in large groups and always wear backpacks. The French dress as if they’re going mountain climbing (in a tropical climate!), and the young Brits usually have their eyes, noses, and/or lips pierced and wear military-style boots with shorts. (They also wear devil-worship t-shirts.)

Canadians are very loud and dress like they’re still in the 1960s. Scandinavians are very haughty. Once, a Norwegian woman, who didn’t know Silver Fox speaks Norwegian, said something derogatory about him to her teenage daughter. She didn’t want her daughter practicing English on him because she didn’t consider him part of their social class.

Silver Fox responded in Norwegian and startled the daylights out of her. I’ll let you guess what he said.

Would you like to know what nationalities leave tips when traveling in Hawaii? Not the Germans, Canadians, French, Brits, Japanese, Scandinavians, or Californians. However, people from the U.S.’s midwest, Texans, and Native Hawaiians always tip.

Silver Fox said “takk” (Norwegian for thank you) for sharing why the French don’t tip. (The Japanese don’t have that custom either, but for a different reason.) It is an American custom, though, and a very important one.

What’s a curiosity to us is that Americans are supposed to know other countries’ customs when we travel, but most foreigners to the U.S. usually don’t bother. Maybe foreigners think they know everything about us because of the Hollywood movies?

Since Hollywood is so biased and ultra-liberal, that’s not a realistic way of learning about the average American.

Russia wants the oil, plain and simple. And the pipeline has only been fully functional for about a year.

We’re turning the Russian/Georgia thread into something a little more international. I hope the staff doesn’t mind.

So the Maginot Line was a line of defense stretching beyond Alcace, France to Belgium. I think Belgium will always be your “weak link,” and not just because it’s currently the EU headquarters.

Belgium is caving big time to the radical Muslims. I understand that non-Muslim girls in Brussels have taken to wearing head scarves as a way of protection from being raped by Muslim men.

Also, Catholic bishops have allowed hordes of illegal Muslim immigrants to take over their churches. The illegals live 24/7 on their premises and hang banners with Allah’s name from their pulpits and church walls, both inside and out.

I have four links verifying the above info. and two will have to be sent in a separate comment as my system is editing them out.

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2008/06/rape-in-gare-du-midi.html

http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/2008/06/brussels-less-and-less-women-on-street.html

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1051/print

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1053

Allah Takes Over Catholic Church in Belgium:

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1053

Belgian Church Organizes Illegal Immigrants

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1051/print

Fortunately, oil is flowing through the BTC Pipeline again. It’s somewhat of a miracle that it escaped Putin’s vandalism.

uh, Belgium isn’t even a state anymore, the Flanders want their “independance”

The Wallons are brave and humorist people, it’s a pity that they have no real “patry” ; lately they wanted to be tied to France, though if they must adopt french policy on immigration and religions, they’ll get a bit hitted

Does that looke like a good definition of Walloon? They want to become tied to France because of the common language?

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/08/20/ian-buruma-on-belgium-the-death-of-a-nation.aspx

What percentage of Muslims occupy Georgia, and are they grouped in a specific area?

What does Russia want us to do? Cry?

I say lets boycott their ass until the poultry is running out their ears.

Open the bomb bay doors Ted!

Do you have something like our Second Amendment, where you have the right to keep and bear arms? You once wrote that you went to the police station and requested a gun to protect your family in case the Russians invaded your city.

By the way, how do you like the NATO armada in your waters?
Pretty cool, huh?

If Russia imposes quotas on the importation of American chicken, how in the hell does that raise prices for US consumers? An increase in the domestic supply of fowl–which is what would happen if producers lose a market to send their produce–would trigger a glut of domestic supply and reduce prices…substantially. The Rooskies can talk out of their asses all they desire, but they ought to stick to shit they can manipulate. Dumbasses.

Yoo-hoo, are you there? I’ve been meaning to ask you if you’ve ever visited the U.S.?

in one of these stores an old woman stopped me and predicted me that my ship would get in trouble in the mexico golf. Indeed, we had a storm along Cozumel, the ship broke its anchor and was turning around with big bangs on the bottom of the sea, quite a nightmare !

there were no more captain or ship staff on board, neither passengers, they were all gone on a Mexico trip, just a few poor girls like me and a few old stewards that were not allowed to quit the ship.

I can tell you that I tried to remember my old prayors.

At the next passengers removing, I left the Cie, and started my working and student life on the very french soil

“…[I] got surprised that the american women didn’t look all like pallywood stars.”

I don’t know about pallywood (Wikipedia defines the word as “a portmanteau of ‘Palestinian’ and ‘Hollywood’”), unless you’re referring to the high ratio of Jewish people in Florida.

If you want to talk about Hollywood, it’s the worst instigator and perpetuator of stereotypes in the world. Ultra-liberals without scruples have dominated the industry for decades; they’re anti-family, anti-military, anti-Christian, anti-Jewish, pro-illegal drugs, and they’ve relegated non-whites to stereotypical bit parts. (The latter problem is improving.)

This propaganda goes around the world and is damaging to the average American who, by the way, isn’t thin and blonde with big boobs. Unless you go to L.A.

as I said Hollywood was the reference to learn about american culture in the sixties-seventies (musics too) ; we had in mind that the people look like as the actors in the movies.

Do you ever post comments on the Deep Thoughts thread? Pat’s been extending it to two days at a time. It’s a good way to start the morning (for you, it would be evening!), say bonjour to the regulars, read some informative or silly links, and carry on conversations on every conceivable subject.

Somehow I missed your comment “Hollywood was the reference to learn about american culture in the sixties-seventies (musics too).”

Yeah, I know, and everyone looked and talked like James Dean or Doris Day. NOT. And the ’70s was the birth of so-called realism and the start of the movie industry’s anti-patriotism wave.

Your average American doesn’t have a clue that he/she has been prejudged, according to movie industry standards, before they travel overseas. I have a couple of interesting first-hand experiences that I’ll save for another time.

well, about the voices of J. Dean or Doris Day, dunno, we had them translated into a french version

otherwise, I was also saying that the Marshall plan had a “cultural” part too, promote the american dream

Pat’s traveling and will be giving updates soon. Meanwhile, do you have some news about the Georgia/Russia situation?

Iranian television broadcast some American westerns and dubbed the voices into Farsi. (It’s really amazing how a voice change adds a whole new dimenstion to an actor’s persona.)

An illiterate Iranian woman who lived near me swore that the westerns had been filmed by Iranian actors because the dubbers were so precise.

“Tbilisi was in Persian hands for 2 centuries.”

Does Georgia have many Farsi speaking citizens?

I hope you get the missile defense systems soon.

Are you and your family well? Do you get to be around any of our troops?

European leaders decide not to decide on measures against Russia

September 1, 2008, 6:28 PM (GMT+02:00)

Ahead of their emergency summit meeting in Brussels on the Georgia crisis, Sept. 1, twenty-seven European Union leaders backed away from practical measures against Moscow, stating only that EU-Russian relations will be under review “in various areas.”

DEBKAfile reports that, after getting away with recognizing the independence of Georgia’s breakaway regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia – which Russian president Dmitiry Medvedev said Monday was “irrevocable” - Moscow is now pressing for regime change in Georgia.

Foreign minister Sergey Lavrov warned that for the West to support Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili would be a historic mistake, and called for an arms embargo “while a different government turns Georgia into a normal state”. He again suggested that US military ships had carried arms to Georgia as well as humanitarian supplies.

Russia, Medvedev declared, would no longer accept a situation whereby a single country, like the US, “sought global domination.”

Regarding the call by some EU members for sanctions against Russia, German foreign minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier warned Europe would only hurt itself if it were to “get emotional and slam doors.”

He spoke for the majority who are wary of alienating Russia, an important trading partner and major energy supplier.

Russia supplies the union with a third of its oil and 40 percent of its natural gas.

Germany relies on Russia for 34 percent of its oil imports and 36 percent of its natural gas consumption. Slovakia, Finland and Bulgaria depend on Russia for more than 90 percent of their gas.

This dependency will increase as winter approaches.

A ceasefire ended the fighting which erupted Aug. 7 when Georgian troops attempted to retake South Ossetia. Russian forces pushed into Georgia to repel the attack and have refused to return to their pre-war positions.

i wonder if this decision on not to decide on anything is cunning european carrot on the stick trick for russia…kinda like a good cop - bad cop tandem of the US and the EU ..only time can tell if this will not turn into a message for russians to do whatever they please