Anatomy Of Hussein’s Violation Of The Logan Act
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OBAMA TRIED TO STALL GIS’ IRAQ WITHDRAWAL
by Amir Taheri - (NYPost)
WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.
According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.
“He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington,” Zebari said in an interview.
Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops - and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its “state of weakness and political confusion.”
“However, as an Iraqi, I prefer to have a security agreement that regulates the activities of foreign troops, rather than keeping the matter open.” Zebari says.
Though Obama claims the US presence is “illegal,” he suddenly remembered that Americans troops were in Iraq within the legal framework of a UN mandate. His advice was that, rather than reach an accord with the “weakened Bush administration,” Iraq should seek an extension of the UN mandate.
While in Iraq, Obama also tried to persuade the US commanders, including Gen. David Petraeus, to suggest a “realistic withdrawal date.” They declined.
Obama has made many contradictory statements with regard to Iraq. His latest position is that US combat troops should be out by 2010. Yet his effort to delay an agreement would make that withdrawal deadline impossible to meet.
Supposing he wins, Obama’s administration wouldn’t be fully operational before February - and naming a new ambassador to Baghdad and forming a new negotiation team might take longer still.
By then, Iraq will be in the throes of its own campaign season. Judging by the past two elections, forming a new coalition government may then take three months. So the Iraqi negotiating team might not be in place until next June.
Then, judging by how long the current talks have taken, restarting the process from scratch would leave the two sides needing at least six months to come up with a draft accord. That puts us at May 2010 for when the draft might be submitted to the Iraqi parliament - which might well need another six months to pass it into law.
Thus, the 2010 deadline fixed by Obama is a meaningless concept, thrown in as a sop to his anti-war base.
Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and the Bush administration have a more flexible timetable in mind.
According to Zebari, the envisaged time span is two or three years - departure in 2011 or 2012. That would let Iraq hold its next general election, the third since liberation, and resolve a number of domestic political issues.
Even then, the dates mentioned are only “notional,” making the timing and the cadence of withdrawal conditional on realities on the ground as appreciated by both sides.
Iraqi leaders are divided over the US election. Iraqi President Jalal Talabani (whose party is a member of the Socialist International) sees Obama as “a man of the Left” - who, once elected, might change his opposition to Iraq’s liberation. Indeed, say Talabani’s advisers, a President Obama might be tempted to appropriate the victory that America has already won in Iraq by claiming that his intervention transformed failure into success.
Maliki’s advisers have persuaded him that Obama will win - but the prime minister worries about the senator’s “political debt to the anti-war lobby” - which is determined to transform Iraq into a disaster to prove that toppling Saddam Hussein was “the biggest strategic blunder in US history.”
Other prominent Iraqi leaders, such as Vice President Adel Abdul-Mahdi and Kurdish regional President Massoud Barzani, believe that Sen. John McCain would show “a more realistic approach to Iraqi issues.”
Obama has given Iraqis the impression that he doesn’t want Iraq to appear anything like a success, let alone a victory, for America. The reason? He fears that the perception of US victory there might revive the Bush Doctrine of “pre-emptive” war - that is, removing a threat before it strikes at America.
Despite some usual equivocations on the subject, Obama rejects pre-emption as a legitimate form of self -defense. To be credible, his foreign-policy philosophy requires Iraq to be seen as a failure, a disaster, a quagmire, a pig with lipstick or any of the other apocalyptic adjectives used by the American defeat industry in the past five years.
Yet Iraq is doing much better than its friends hoped and its enemies feared. The UN mandate will be extended in December, and we may yet get an agreement on the status of forces before President Bush leaves the White House in January.
McCain’s Camp Dares The MSM To Look At And Cover This
McCain spokesman Randy Scheunemann
At this point, it is not yet clear what official American negotiations Senator Obama tried to undermine with Iraqi leaders, but the possibility of such actions is unprecedented.
It should be concerning to all that he reportedly urged that the democratically-elected Iraqi government listen to him rather than the US administration in power.
If news reports are accurate, this is an egregious act of political interference by a presidential candidate seeking political advantage overseas.
Senator Obama needs to reveal what he said to Iraq’s Foreign Minister during their closed door meeting.
The charge that he sought to delay the withdrawal of Americans from Iraq raises serious questions about Senator Obama’s judgment and it demands an explanation.
Exhibit “C”:
Obama camp hits back at Iraq double-talk claim
Barack Obama’s White House campaign angrily denied Monday a report that he had secretly urged the Iraqis to postpone a deal to withdraw US troops until after November’s election.
In the New York Post, conservative Iranian-born columnist Amir Taheri quoted Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari as saying the Democrat made the demand when he visited Baghdad in July, while publicly demanding an early withdrawal.
“He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington,” Zebari said in an interview, according to Taheri.
“However, as an Iraqi, I prefer to have a security agreement that regulates the activities of foreign troops, rather than keeping the matter open,” Zebari reportedly said.
The Republican campaign of John McCain seized on the report to accuse Obama of double-speak on Iraq, calling it an “egregious act of political interference by a presidential candidate seeking political advantage overseas.”
But Obama’s national security spokeswoman Wendy Morigi said Taheri’s article bore “as much resemblance to the truth as a McCain campaign commercial.”
***In fact, Obama had told the Iraqis that they should not rush through a “Strategic Framework Agreement” governing the future of US forces until after President George W. Bush leaves office, she said.***
In the face of resistance from Bush, the Democrat has long said that any such agreement must be reviewed by the US Congress as it would tie a future administration’s hands on Iraq.
“Barack Obama has never urged a delay in negotiations, nor has he urged a delay in immediately beginning a responsible drawdown of our combat brigades,” Morigi said.
“These outright distortions will not changes the facts — Senator Obama is the only candidate who will safely and responsibly end the war in Iraq and refocus our attention on the real threat: a resurgent Al-Qaeda and Taliban along the Afghanistan/Pakistan border.”
Last Tuesday, Bush announced plans to remove 8,000 US troops from Iraq in the coming months and send 4,500 to Afghanistan by January.
Obama said the president was belatedly coming round to his own way of thinking, but also accused Bush of “tinkering around the edges” and “kicking the can down the road to the next president.”
(AFP)
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So if he is guilty, what happens? Nothing? We can’t jsut make him inelligible for office… That would cause a race (or left v right) civil war and I have not yet armed myself sufficiently for that.
September 16th, 2008 at 10:11 amSo if he is guilty, what happens? Nothing? We can’t just make him ineligible for office… That would cause a race (or left v right) civil war and I have not yet armed myself sufficiently for that.
September 16th, 2008 at 10:12 amYep. “I did not have sex with that woman!” I mean err, “I did not have sex with that Iraqi!” I mean, “I did not engage in intercourse with any foreign government without the authority of the US Government in relation to any controversy with the US with the intent to influence their conduct with the US”
Wow, so long winded it actually sounds like Barry….
§ 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.
Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.
1 Stat. 613, January 30, 1799, codified at 18 U.S.C. § 953 (2004).
September 16th, 2008 at 10:14 amHmmm, just a little more fuel for the fire:
From the Majority opinion in United States v. Curtiss-Wright Export Corp (http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0299_0304_ZO.html)
September 16th, 2008 at 10:22 amJohn McCain needs to be hammering Bambi in his political ads over this offence, as well as Bambi now depending on his teleprompter crutch.
September 16th, 2008 at 10:23 amI would say this is above his paygrade. Seems he’s content to lie, cheat and steal which means he’s not fit to serve in the Corps let alone serve as president.
September 16th, 2008 at 10:26 amAs time goes by, Obama makes blunder after blunder and sends his mouthpiece out to make it worse! This confirms to anybody with any sense that Obama is dangerously INCOMPETENT!
September 16th, 2008 at 10:30 am
Indeed. The only place appropriate for this POS is the brig. In a tiny hole, at the bottom of a well.
September 16th, 2008 at 10:37 amWho is going to prosecute this dick, answer No one.
September 16th, 2008 at 10:37 amHow does a citizen file a complaint at the Attorney Generals office?
September 16th, 2008 at 10:40 amForget John Maccain hammering, George Bush needs to tell the Justice Department to start legal procedings against these usurpers. He can start with that numbskul Nasty Pelosi.
September 16th, 2008 at 10:59 amTypical, Congress passes laws, its members break ‘em and nobody prosecutes. Nice system.
September 16th, 2008 at 11:03 amNo idea. I think I’m going to google it.
A better question is, are we sure that this is in violation of the Logan Act? Anyone here a lawyer?
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September 16th, 2008 at 12:30 pmThanks for staying on top of this story. I watched Fox and CNN today but haven’t heard a word yet. It sounds pretty damning, especially since the accusation is coming straight from the mouth of the Iraqi Foreign Minister.
I believe Nancy Pelosi also violated the Logan Act by taking an unauthorized trip to Syria, and purporting to speak for the U.S. government as well as for Israel. In fact, Pelosi was chastised via the Jerusalem Post.
The last time a Speaker of the House tried to speak for the U.S. government without authorization, Jim Wright met with the Nicaraguan president. The outrage was so great, members of his own party pressured him until he resigned.
Concerning Pelosi, the former chief counsel to the Nixon impeachment inquery, a life-long Democrat named Jerry Zeifman, has been calling for her resignation. Besides her self-aggrandizing and unauthorized trip to Syria, he says:
September 16th, 2008 at 2:51 pm“Nancy Pelosi has persistently violated her duty to exercise her speaker powers in accordance with the Constitution and the current ‘106th Congress House
Rules Manual’ (House Document 106-320). In short, she has fostered what is known as ‘tyranny by the majority’ — and violated House Rules that give her the duty to maintain order, civility, and decorum, and to foster ‘comity’ (a word rarely used these days, meaning ‘mutual respect’).
And we all know there wont be anyone in washington who will bring this up. This is a fat pitch right over the plate for Mccain, and a chance to see this treasonous bastard in jail.
September 16th, 2008 at 2:53 pm“So if he is guilty, what happens? Nothing? We can’t just make him ineligible for office… That would cause a race (or left v right) civil war and I have not yet armed myself sufficiently for that.”
September 16th, 2008 at 2:55 pmI have been ready since Clinton came to office.
Right after Clinton came to office, you had a hard time getting into a gun store, much less finding anything after you got inside.
I wouldnt worry about the left. Most dont own or know how to use a gun.
Barry is not only guilty in this matter, he’s certifiably insane.
September 16th, 2008 at 4:14 pmHe’ll plead insane is what I’m saying. His Presidential seals, refers to his senatorial experience in past tense, wanted to speak at the Brandenburg Gate, interferes in Iraq’s foreign policy undermining US troops on the ground and the WOT with no authorization whatsoever, thinks he’s running against Bush.. the jerk is insane, a megalomaniac with a multiple personality disorder, you name it - Barry’s a Psycho.
wow
September 16th, 2008 at 5:23 pmAnyone know what the penalty for this violation is?
September 16th, 2008 at 6:13 pmboom boom ,,, it says it is a felony,, what class i am not sure…
lehman brothers employees have donated $160,000 to odumba..
September 16th, 2008 at 6:38 pmAmazing. I wish the election was tomorrow and we’d get this over with and elect McCain/Palin.
September 16th, 2008 at 7:18 pmHopefully a wealthy conservative lawyer will take whatever actions a citizen can against nobama’s violation. Congress isn’t going to hold a hearing, they won’t even call for one for the idiot dems that screwed up fannie and freddie.
September 16th, 2008 at 7:29 pm“Supposing he wins, Obama’s administration wouldn’t be fully operational before February - ”
What year?
September 17th, 2008 at 12:55 pm