Church of England: “Govt. Has Abandoned The Church And Has Become Hostile Toward Christianity”
Wow, what a completely weird situation. I mean, one of the things we did in founding this country that we learned as a no-no from England is not to have an “Official” State Religion.
Of course, back then, the context was not “religion” in the sense of Christianity, Hindu, Muslim, Judaism, but along the lines of divisions within the Christian faith, like Anglican (Official) and Baptists, and Shakers, etc etc…
Now the Church of England (Anglican) is saying “Yo! Gub-Mint! Y’all Fukn up with da Muzzies. Get dem betches the fuck off my Island!”
…er, sort of…anyway it seems rather strange that it may very well be the Anglican Church that saves England from Islamization and not the government, whereas here in the USA it will be our government (Armed Forces, America! Fuck Yeah!) that actually saves America from Islamization…did that make any sense?
Its freaking Friday, man…
In all honesty, we know who truly is in charge…
From Times Online:
The policies of Tony Blair and Gordon Brown have helped to generate a spiritual, civic and economic crisis in Britain, according to an important Church of England report.
Labour is failing society and lacks the vision to restore a sense of British identity, the report says in the Church’s strongest attack on the Government for decades. It accuses the Government of “deep religious illiteracy” and of having “no convincing moral direction”.
The report, commissioned for the Church of England and to be published on Monday, accuses the Government of discriminating against the Christian Churches in favour of other faiths, including Islam. It calls for the appointment of a “Minister for Religion”, who would act as the Prime Minister’s personal “faith envoy” and who would recognise the contribution of faith communities to Britain across every government department.
The 180-page report, seen by The Times,describes the Government as moral, but lacking a “compass” and reflects an attempt by the Church to carve out an effective role for itself in the 21st century as a provider of welfare for young and old.
The report was commissioned by the Bishop of Hulme, the Right Rev Stephen Lowe, Bishop for Urban Life and Health, with the support of the archbishops of Canterbury and York, Dr Rowan Williams and Dr John Sentamu.
The report comes only days after Dr Sentamu accused Mr Brown of sacrificing liberty for misguided notions of equality and of betraying new Labour’s mantra of “rights and responsibilities”. It shows the extent to which church leaders feel betrayed by the Government’s embrace of a secular agenda.
The authors find evidence of deep-seated hostility to the Church in particular, excluding it from important areas of policy and research – despite Mr Blair being one of the most devout prime ministers of the past century. They portray a Government committed to research into Muslim communities but barely interested in Christian involvement in Britain’s civic and charitable life.
This is in spite of what the authors describe as centuries of pioneering work by the Church in areas of welfare and social provision. “We encountered on the part of the Government a significant lack of understanding or interest in the Church of England’s current or potential contribution in the public sphere,” the report says.
Academics from the Von Hugel Institute at St Edmund’s College, Cambridge, approached every Church of England bishop as well as more than 250 MPs, peers and academics. About 70 of the 106 diocesan and suffragan bishops responded. “Every participant in our study from the Church agreed that there was a deep ‘religious illiteracy’ on the part of the Government, especially on the local level, and that an increased tendency to centralised, mega-contracts in some government departments was bad for the whole of the voluntary sector,” they write.
In its strength of feeling it echoes the Faith in the City report of 1985, condemned by one government mininster as “Marxist” because of its criticism of the effects of Thatcherism on Britain’s inner cities. But, far from being a left-wing attack on a Conservative administration, this Church report found many of David Cameron’s policies to be more worthy of praise.
Outlining evidence of huge fault-lines in the relations between Church and state, they write: “The Government is planning blind and has no convincing moral direction.”
They set out recommendations designed to put the Church back at the heart of social and welfare provision, for funds to research the role of “theology” and “spirituality” as motivations in charity organisations and for the archbishops of Canterbury and York to set up a “Anglican Philanthropy Fund” to cash in on a new generation of potential donors.
(TimesOnline)
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I maintain(as an Anglican, myself) that by having a “State Church” you link that Church to all the extra foibles and thus contempt that is generated by Government. Church organizations are more than capable of making a mockery of themselves without the help of the State. I left a very loosely organized denomination for an Orthodox Anglican faith because I got tired of the “doctrine of the month club” but I know with certainty that men are fallible and the less you put in the hands of “Men” the better off you are and Governments are nothing more than “Men” making decisions for you.
June 6th, 2008 at 3:42 pmThe Christian Church is the favorite whipping-boy of the West. Governments and states, universities et. al, use the Christian Church the way Hitler and Muslims use the Jews: To blame them for every ill and problem.
Christianity is the only religion that is constantly shoved aside, while all other religions are not…including the one philosophy that hides behind the rubric of religion: Islam.
The whiney toadies of orientalism fail to understand that if it weren’t for Christianity, there would be no tolerance in the West. Try talking the same smack in a country that has adopted…oh…say…Sharia as law…instead of the Ten Commandments, the Magna Carta or the US Constitution.
Think Che, Castro or Hugo or Marx is better? Then you’re an idiot.
June 6th, 2008 at 4:25 pmOne of the things i have always respected about england is there state religion, when holidays roll around the BBC airs religious programing, what not, they, the English, don’t pull punches about their cultural history like we do in the US. However, I feel that genuine Christian faith is stronger and more deeply felt in the U.S. I really wish the US could have the best of both worlds, state recognized national religion and the religious individualism that the reformation and revivalism has brought to the US. However today the protestant tradition has been crowded by catholic immigration (Italian/Irish/polish/south American) and the rise of secularism/atheism/agnosticism/unitarianism. As a prot i don’t know how to feel about this country anymore. The new world is a new world indeed, my ancestors did not prepare me for this melting pot.
June 6th, 2008 at 6:14 pmDespite Rowan Williams and his appeasement of the degenerate false-religion of the muzzies, it seems as if, perhaps, just maybe, some of the leadership of the Anglican Church is waking up. And not a second to soon.
June 6th, 2008 at 7:11 pmHegelbot, if you want to live in a country with an official religion, maybe you should move somewhere else. Iran or Europe perhaps? The separation of church and state is the reason my grandfather came to this country. Not saying that we should ignore/marginalize the importance of the Judeo-Christian ethic on the formation of our Constitution and society. If America had an official state religion, it wouldn’t be America.
June 7th, 2008 at 5:58 am